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"I Hate These People."

I was sitting in a bank in my local town (leicester) and a few weeks ago suddenly about 20 *foreign* people walked in with bits of paper and cheques. Half of them couldn't speak a word of english but they got a new window open for them so they could get free money and then go off again.

Now it happened again yesterday and it was the very same people again (all dressed in their designer gear etc and all their rings and chains, now i don't mind if they were poor people who actually attempted to get a job once in a while but you could see these guys have no intention ever of getting a job, and thats the problem with this country.

never mind, only 2 more years until labour loses power and then this will not be a problem any more.

It just gets better, Some poor familys have to save up their money to have possibly a once a year holiday to Butlins and now some immigrants have been given a free holiday to Butlins so they can *mingle* with people from our culture.

Thats okay until you hear that the 20 person strong group had spent their whole holiday causing trouble for other holiday makers around the site. Many females who were holidaying at the site put in complaints about the abuse they got from them.

Now before you lot go on about how many english people will do the same etc etc that is not the point.

bun wrote:
> and bell, beware your use of terms like "in most cases". If
> that were true, the UK wouldn't be towards the bottom pf the list.
> and, I didn't make clear, the list was in relation to heads of
> population. Only a semi-mitigating factor, I grant you.

Well we're not bordered by any refugee source country, airline flights are not free, yet tons of penniless refugees turn up here, hence they are obviously bypassing other countries to get to us. Think about it, how do you get from Iraq to the UK whilst not going through any other safe nation ? Africa, possible by container ship, and those from Eastern Europe have to go into the West to reach the UK. Therefore I believe in my use of "most cases".

But whatever you say bun, people all across the country are seeing things like KR describes in the original post, and worse, and they're not going to care how many people we take, or where we stand in a table, and the fact no one in power is acting decisively to educate people is why the BNP is gaining more and more power, and will continue to do so.

and bell, beware your use of terms like "in most cases". If that were true, the UK wouldn't be towards the bottom pf the list. and, I didn't make clear, the list was in relation to heads of population. Only a semi-mitigating factor, I grant you.

rosalind, and everyone else - honestly never meant anything negative by "sweet". appreciate though that it does sound patronising. I have no vested interest in patronising women, being one myself. I'm very sorry for any offence.

Also, feel free to draw your own conclusions about me, it's one of my favourite things in life.

Bell, I don't pretend to know everything, that was kinda the point. I think this is all complicated, grey area stuff, and believe that the least helpful thing anyone can do is present a fact as if it's a self-explanatory opinion. I think the numbers of people taken by different countries is totally irrelevant. The point is how they're treated, and the point in britain (not just on this subject) is that people are way too willing not to know what's going on. But that's just my opinion.

bun, for all you're apparent knowledge you're undermined by one thing, the UK is far smaller than France and Germany, the argument is that we take too many in relation to our size because apparently desperate asylum seekers bypass the first safe country they come to in order to get to the UK in most cases.

And don't make assumptions about people being things like "sweet" when you've been here hardly any time at all, or we could end up making our own conclusions...

I'd rather not be patronised. 'Sweet' holds connotations with which I would rather not be assosiated. I may be female and blonde, but I am NOT stupid.

one more thing. KR, I think you're flailing a bit wildly, grabbing onto anything someone says that you kinda agree with. Show some courage and address the comments made that you don't agree with. Tell us why you think you can ignore the (ongoing) acts of Empire by the white western hegemony, the rape of culture and resources from around the world, the destruction of landscapes they've been responsible for, the displacement of peoples, the repressions, the murders, and the shameful lack of accountability that has become so characteristic of them?

(I'm just waiting for you to tell us that that's different. just try it.)

I think you'll find that, in Europe, the UK is second or third from the bottom of the *chart* of countries in terms of how many asylum seekers they accept. You think we've got problems, France hates "invaders" too. But the swiss, I believe (don't quote me) take about ten times as many people in as we do.

Rosalind, you seem to be extremely sweet and willing to see all sides of everything. But should we really expect people to be grateful just for the opportunity not to be persecuted? Is that the only human right we have to worry about? And does no one feel a genuine sense of global responsibility? My feeling is that escaping from a repressive regime to here, meeting constant persecution that is not only endorsed, but incited by the major circulation newspapers, by members of Government and by anyone who fancies a pop...I'd make a fuss. I wouldn't commit a crime, but I wouldn't do that in any circumstances. Some people would. Just please, please don't get sucked into the tabloid mentality of making sweeping generalisations and believing it's possible to hate a whole group of people who have nothing in common other than the pattern on their red tape. It's just bad logic and lazy thinking.

Sorry to preach.

I agree with what YH said, if all these people who come into the country to be safe from persecution etc then why didn't they stop in France or Germany? Is it because these two countrys don't hand out as much money etc?

Also I agree with what Goatboy is saying, there is also people who are English who are just as lazy and who sponge off the government, these people will also proberbly never get a job in their lives.