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My Mum came back from Italy yesterday, and she bought me back these sweets:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ paul.whiston/images/nougatine.gif
Is it just me, or is that an Indian Gollywog? I thought those things were highly offensive and were taken off all sorts of packaging years ago (marmalade, swets, etc). Not in Italy!
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ paul.whiston/images/nougatine.gif
Is it just me, or is that an Indian Gollywog? I thought those things were highly offensive and were taken off all sorts of packaging years ago (marmalade, swets, etc). Not in Italy!
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Goatboy wrote:
> Who said African-Americans?
I believe monkey man said the original gollywogs were american imports.
> Who said African-Americans?
I believe monkey man said the original gollywogs were american imports.
Twiddly wrote:
> Startling?
>
> In what sense?
>
> Answer me this: if it had the same face, but a creamy caucasian
> complexion, would it be offensive?
>
> No.
>
> So why is it offensive with black skin?
I didn't say it was offensive - just startling. Startling because of all the campaigning that has been around to remove these kind of images yet they still exist in certain areas.
> Startling?
>
> In what sense?
>
> Answer me this: if it had the same face, but a creamy caucasian
> complexion, would it be offensive?
>
> No.
>
> So why is it offensive with black skin?
I didn't say it was offensive - just startling. Startling because of all the campaigning that has been around to remove these kind of images yet they still exist in certain areas.
Twiddly wrote:
> Personally, if you think anything more than "how strange, yet
> cute-ish", then you have issues.
--
Do you think The Black and White Minstrel Show was good old timey music hall?
> Personally, if you think anything more than "how strange, yet
> cute-ish", then you have issues.
--
Do you think The Black and White Minstrel Show was good old timey music hall?
Good point - it's got an Indian headset on, yet has Gollywog lips. confusing mix of racial stereotypes there.
Won't someone please think of the children!
Won't someone please think of the children!
Twiddly wrote:
Do I look at that picture and
> truly believe it represents African-Americans accurately?
--
Who said African-Americans?
Do I look at that picture and
> truly believe it represents African-Americans accurately?
--
Who said African-Americans?
Fappini
Hur Hur Hur
And I personally dont find it racist, but the current social climate indicates that a lot of others would.
Therefore I'm not bothered either way.
Hur Hur Hur
And I personally dont find it racist, but the current social climate indicates that a lot of others would.
Therefore I'm not bothered either way.
Being realistic about it, no-one is black or white or yellow. I'm not one to get offended if someone calls me "whitey", nor would I get offended if I was a different colour and someone called me a colour similar to what colour I am. Colour. Being labelled a particular colour is different to a racial slur. Obviously there was some reason that this sort of packaging and imagery was removed, I just thought it was novel to see it again after such a long time. And yes, it is slightly racist, but I'm not the Daily Mail and I don't splash my arms about in a sea of retardedness over such issues.
And the company that makes these sweets is called "Fappani" - goaty will appreciate that one :D
And the company that makes these sweets is called "Fappani" - goaty will appreciate that one :D
monkey_man wrote:
> It's a Gollywog. A racial stereotype that came over from America in
> the 30s and 40s when people were ignorant of equal rights. It
> provides a stereotypical image of a black man and is seen as highly
> racist. That's why you don't see them on food packaging anymore.
You mean to say, it's not seen anywhere where the general populace is ridiculously over-sensitive to racial issues. It's nothing to do with equal rights. It's about throwing weight around and splashing your arms up and down in the proverbial paddling pool of society.
Do you look at the food packaging and think "hahah! it's ni***r! Doesn't he look stupid" or do you perhaps instead think "dear god in heaven!! how outrageous that someone print the face of a comically represented person of unwhite skinned persuasion on a packet of sweets!".
Personally, if you think anything more than "how strange, yet cute-ish", then you have issues. Do I look at that picture and truly believe it represents African-Americans accurately? Do I think that the word "black" itself is an offensive word? Do I think, perhaps, that by hiding any reference in our culture to anything that isn't absolutely and unmistakeably white, that ethnic minorities will lead better, happier lives?
The answer to all three questions is no.
There is nothing offensive about that packet of sweets unless you're REALLY desperate to find something ofensive about it.
> It's a Gollywog. A racial stereotype that came over from America in
> the 30s and 40s when people were ignorant of equal rights. It
> provides a stereotypical image of a black man and is seen as highly
> racist. That's why you don't see them on food packaging anymore.
You mean to say, it's not seen anywhere where the general populace is ridiculously over-sensitive to racial issues. It's nothing to do with equal rights. It's about throwing weight around and splashing your arms up and down in the proverbial paddling pool of society.
Do you look at the food packaging and think "hahah! it's ni***r! Doesn't he look stupid" or do you perhaps instead think "dear god in heaven!! how outrageous that someone print the face of a comically represented person of unwhite skinned persuasion on a packet of sweets!".
Personally, if you think anything more than "how strange, yet cute-ish", then you have issues. Do I look at that picture and truly believe it represents African-Americans accurately? Do I think that the word "black" itself is an offensive word? Do I think, perhaps, that by hiding any reference in our culture to anything that isn't absolutely and unmistakeably white, that ethnic minorities will lead better, happier lives?
The answer to all three questions is no.
There is nothing offensive about that packet of sweets unless you're REALLY desperate to find something ofensive about it.
Waht i found funnier is that we where looking in a lifeguard equipment brochure. And on the front cover they proudly anounce that their plastic resuscitation dummys are now available in black and asian complexions. Yet are still exactly the same piece of lifesaving pacticing equipment. How pointless is that.
It's a Gollywog. A racial stereotype that came over from America in the 30s and 40s when people were ignorant of equal rights. It provides a stereotypical image of a black man and is seen as highly racist. That's why you don't see them on food packaging anymore.
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