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My Mum came back from Italy yesterday, and she bought me back these sweets:
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Is it just me, or is that an Indian Gollywog? I thought those things were highly offensive and were taken off all sorts of packaging years ago (marmalade, swets, etc). Not in Italy!
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Is it just me, or is that an Indian Gollywog? I thought those things were highly offensive and were taken off all sorts of packaging years ago (marmalade, swets, etc). Not in Italy!
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Ben Sherman shirts and Doc Martens were designed as worker-wear, and were adopted by the skinheads - not developed as standard attire, they didn't make these items for use by neo-nazis.
And during the late seventies, early-eighties they remained pretty much the sole domain of idiots - hence low sales and negative public opinion.
However, with the (thankful) decline in such moronic behaviour, they attained a more respectable place amongst the public mindset.
Golliwogs however, were used as racial stereotypes and continued to be used until, as Unbeliever says, several black-led racial issues groups protested at the stereotypical image portrayed and their views were upheld.
Which is why, despite what you may think, a large proportion of people today think that golliwogs are racist.
And that is, as I said before, so completely different to blackboards/nursery rhymes - which have become verboten thanks to nanny-state pc fundamentalists.
So, going back to a previous question, do you think The Black and White Minstrel Show is acceptable as entertainment, or is that again Political Correctness gone insane?
And during the late seventies, early-eighties they remained pretty much the sole domain of idiots - hence low sales and negative public opinion.
However, with the (thankful) decline in such moronic behaviour, they attained a more respectable place amongst the public mindset.
Golliwogs however, were used as racial stereotypes and continued to be used until, as Unbeliever says, several black-led racial issues groups protested at the stereotypical image portrayed and their views were upheld.
Which is why, despite what you may think, a large proportion of people today think that golliwogs are racist.
And that is, as I said before, so completely different to blackboards/nursery rhymes - which have become verboten thanks to nanny-state pc fundamentalists.
So, going back to a previous question, do you think The Black and White Minstrel Show is acceptable as entertainment, or is that again Political Correctness gone insane?
Unbeliever, everything is offensive to somebody. If we removed everything that somebody found offensive, we wouldn't have anything.
Goatboy, Ben Sherman clothes and Doc Martin boots were once developed as a standard attire for neo-nazi groups. Not actual Nazi believers, but a widespread group of thugs with skinheads who liked to chase jews and asians around with crowbars.
Last time I checked, I could still buy Ben Sherman clothes and Doc Martin boots...
Goatboy, Ben Sherman clothes and Doc Martin boots were once developed as a standard attire for neo-nazi groups. Not actual Nazi believers, but a widespread group of thugs with skinheads who liked to chase jews and asians around with crowbars.
Last time I checked, I could still buy Ben Sherman clothes and Doc Martin boots...
Twiddly wrote:
> Unbeliever wrote:
> I didn't say it was offensive - just startling. Startling because of
> all the campaigning that has been around to remove these kind of
> images yet they still exist in certain areas.
>
> All the campaigning? They've stopped production of gollywogs, from
> what I know, but only a few socially retarded countries refuse to show
> the image out of some misplaced belief that highlighting racial issues
> for all to see, they irradicate them.
It was actually black people who complained about these images not some left wing liberal going on about politically correct issues. And, if it offends some black people, that's reason enough for me to say what I did.
> Unbeliever wrote:
> I didn't say it was offensive - just startling. Startling because of
> all the campaigning that has been around to remove these kind of
> images yet they still exist in certain areas.
>
> All the campaigning? They've stopped production of gollywogs, from
> what I know, but only a few socially retarded countries refuse to show
> the image out of some misplaced belief that highlighting racial issues
> for all to see, they irradicate them.
It was actually black people who complained about these images not some left wing liberal going on about politically correct issues. And, if it offends some black people, that's reason enough for me to say what I did.
No I dont find the term blackboard offensive, because it describes exactly what it is, and yes I do find the notion of banning "Baa Baa Black Sheep" equally pc-gone-mad.
However the Golliwog image was hijacked by storytellers in the 1950s and used for criminals, it gained negative connotations and subsequently became associated with crime, villainy and anti-social behavioural examples. Hence it was removed as a toy/image. Except by Robinsons, who still do produce it but using the term "Golli"
Whether it was intentionally created to be a racist epithet is by-the-by, the fact that it came to resemble a racial stereotype was reason enough for it's removal from public consiousness.
Same way as I wouldn't want a KKK toy to be indicative of my race, however old the inception.
Blackboard isn't the same thing.
However the Golliwog image was hijacked by storytellers in the 1950s and used for criminals, it gained negative connotations and subsequently became associated with crime, villainy and anti-social behavioural examples. Hence it was removed as a toy/image. Except by Robinsons, who still do produce it but using the term "Golli"
Whether it was intentionally created to be a racist epithet is by-the-by, the fact that it came to resemble a racial stereotype was reason enough for it's removal from public consiousness.
Same way as I wouldn't want a KKK toy to be indicative of my race, however old the inception.
Blackboard isn't the same thing.
Why not?
Images like tha are NOT inherently offensive. Only the way that people choose to interpret them.
For example. Does the name "blackboard" offend you? Does the idea of children singing nursery rhymes such as "Baa baa black sheep" offend you?
Neither of these are offensive in any realistic sense, and yet both have come under fire in recent years for being symbols of racism.
Bottom line, people are stupid, and need to grow up. For as long as we strive to find "symbols of racism" there will always be racial tension and all that crap.
Images like tha are NOT inherently offensive. Only the way that people choose to interpret them.
For example. Does the name "blackboard" offend you? Does the idea of children singing nursery rhymes such as "Baa baa black sheep" offend you?
Neither of these are offensive in any realistic sense, and yet both have come under fire in recent years for being symbols of racism.
Bottom line, people are stupid, and need to grow up. For as long as we strive to find "symbols of racism" there will always be racial tension and all that crap.
I actually used to have a wooden Golliwog with a big afro and a guitar - I think it was meant to be Jimi Hendrix.
*runs to loft*
Back in a minute
*cue Casualty moment with monkey_man climbing out of loft on rickety ladder, Golliwog in hand*
*runs to loft*
Back in a minute
*cue Casualty moment with monkey_man climbing out of loft on rickety ladder, Golliwog in hand*
The golliwog image yes, I think the sweets were from Italy.
Either way, you think it's acceptable to have that image where it to be over here in The UK?
Either way, you think it's acceptable to have that image where it to be over here in The UK?
Unbeliever wrote:
> I didn't say it was offensive - just startling. Startling because of
> all the campaigning that has been around to remove these kind of
> images yet they still exist in certain areas.
All the campaigning? They've stopped production of gollywogs, from what I know, but only a few socially retarded countries refuse to show the image out of some misplaced belief that highlighting racial issues for all to see, they irradicate them.
> I didn't say it was offensive - just startling. Startling because of
> all the campaigning that has been around to remove these kind of
> images yet they still exist in certain areas.
All the campaigning? They've stopped production of gollywogs, from what I know, but only a few socially retarded countries refuse to show the image out of some misplaced belief that highlighting racial issues for all to see, they irradicate them.
Italy
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