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"9/11"

Saw this brough up in another thread. Out of respect for that thread (if you know which one you'll understand) I've put the topic here instead.

What troubles me about 9/11 is that if it had happened to some financial building in Africa. The coverage wouldn't have been anything like it was.
i have summed it up to people before and they have agreed that it been considered an even worse crime because:

A bunch of rich, white Americans died.


They are somehow more important than other people in the world.
This sickens me and lessens my sympathy for America.

Obviously I'm generalising but I think my point is clear.

I think America went overboard the way they reacted to 9/11, but nonetheless it was a tragic day that will stick in poeple's minds forever. The fact that we are talking about it nearly 2 years on proves that.

I admit I do not like the way America carries out its politics. But that does not mean I don't like American people. A lot of Americans do tend to get hyped up over the littlest things though, I've seen that first hand, and it is quite annoying, so when something of this scale happened on their doorstep it was only natural it caused mass hysteria in the country. I think they realised suddenly that America is not invincible.

I know I will never forget seeing the second tower collapse live on Sky One, nor will I ever forget seeing the people jumping out of the towers to their death. I think these images are a reason why the event was met with such shock around the world. We were seeing people die live on air. Something like that has never been on out T.V. screens with such a personal note before, and I hope it never is again.

Many countries lost citizens on 9/11, not just America, and let's not forget the people on the planes, innocent people, many of whom realised what was happening, and knew they were going to die.

It was a sickening malicious act that cost thousands of lives. Let's treat those lives with the respect they deserve.

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In this thread i think thats just disrespectful.

Kyz22 wrote:
> lets not all quote each other.

Well, someone had to do it.

Now that's out of the way, I thought by "rich" Hedfix meant people who lived in the rich north. E.g people who live in the Western world are rich, third worlders are poor. But even if this is not the case, a lot of them will have been rich. I can't imagine a lot of jobs in the WTC being poorly paid.

But I don't think that's an issue anyway.

lets not all quote each other.

> The rest of your post sums up the events well but it doesn't really
> discuss what I have said. I think your post is gear towards replying
> to crazycol. Please don't lump me in with what crazycol has said.

Ok, I apologise if i have lumped you in with CrazyCol- after all, who wants that? ;-)

I agree with you- I don't think the incident would have attracted as much attention if it was in Africa.

However, the reason why it attracted so much attention is a valid one. Up until that day, America was seen as safe and had never suffered at the hands of terrorists at this scale. After 11th Sept, the Americans were left feeling vulnerable- YES, they were vulnerable and YES, an attack could happen at any time. (you have to remember that at this time, nobody knew who was responsible for the attack- therefore, they were left feeling afraid of an enemy that they couldn't see!)

Therefore, this attack was completely different from attacks in countries that have been the victims of such attacks before. Amereica (and indeed, the UK) were now at the mercy of a force that was capable of ending thousands of lives in the space of a few minutes.

DébUK wrote:
> I totally disagree with Hedfix here.
>
> In my opinion, The reason that so many people care about Sept 11th is
> that:
>
> 1) Thousands of people died. One minute they were heading to work on a
> normal day, the next they were dead- nobody expected it BECAUSE it
> happened in AMERICA. America, the most powerful nation on Earth, a
> country that was seemingly indestructable.

Yes but what I was saying is 'how bad would the reaction have been if it had been a third world country and not America?'. It would have been out of the headlines quicker.
>
> 2) A few men, armed with razer blades and pocket knives managed to
> hijack those jets. Those few men overpowered the crew and all the
> other passengers on the plane and flew the planes into the twin
> towers, and crashed two others. Jets are rarely hijacked. Jets rarely
> crash. Jets rarely crash into buildings. Buildings of this sheer size
> and importance rarely collapse. It was a shock- that is what captured
> people's attention.

True but if it hadn't have been a third world country there wouldn't have been so much shock and calls for retaliation. I believe they would have taken more time.
>
> 3) All this happened IN FRONT OF OUR EYES. I watched as the planes
> were shown plunging into the twin towers, I watched people fall from
> the top of those buildings- I SAW the deaths of thousands of people. I
> WITNESSED A MURDER! Can The Craziest Col really say that those images
> are not as fresh in his mind as the day it happened even two years
> later?- some people obviously have short memories!
>
> It wasn't only white people that died.
> It wasn't only rich people that died (most were not)
> It wasn't only Americans that died.

I was generalising (see below)

The rest of your post sums up the events well but it doesn't really discuss what I have said. I think your post is gear towards replying to crazycol. Please don't lump me in with what crazycol has said.

Azul wrote:
> Hedfix wrote:
> A bunch of rich, white Americans died.
>
> You clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Rich?
> They were ordinary, working class people, just getting on with their
> lives, and making a living. They weren't "rich".

Depends on your definition of "Rich". I would say influential as well.
>
> White? Firstly, that has nothing to do with the matter, and also,
> there were almost equal amounts of creed in that bulding.

True what the hell was I thinking there? I was generalising. I think most of the people were white. I will have to check this.
>
> Same with the Americans statement. There were almost as many foreign
> (ie, Chinese, British, German, Taiwanese) people in that building than
> Americans.

True but as I said, I was generalising. Most were Americans.
>
>
> They are somehow more important than other people in the world.
>
> Again, completely wrong. It wasn't the people as such inside, any
> human being that is brtually murdered is a tragedy. But it was the
> building itself that drew attention, and how such a thing was allowed
> to happen. The WTC was a key building in the world of finance, which
> effected the world terribly. But that is a very insensitive statement.
> That they are more important. As I said above, they weren't all
> Americans. Pfft.

I think Miserableman summed it up best:

Miserableman wrote:
> thousands of people die in tragedies every day, most are
> forgotten. It was only because this was an American plane flown into
> an American landmark on American soil that it was such a big deal.
>
> Obviously I'm generalising but I think my point is clear.
>
> Another thing that is clear is that you have no idea what you're
> talking about.

I was generalising. I made that clear. I have not delved into the complexities. I have simply put the condensed version, of what a lot of people feel, in my original post.

I totally disagree with Hedfix here.

In my opinion, The reason that so many people care about Sept 11th is that:

1) Thousands of people died. One minute they were heading to work on a normal day, the next they were dead- nobody expected it BECAUSE it happened in AMERICA. America, the most powerful nation on Earth, a country that was seemingly indestructable.

2) A few men, armed with razer blades and pocket knives managed to hijack those jets. Those few men overpowered the crew and all the other passengers on the plane and flew the planes into the twin towers, and crashed two others. Jets are rarely hijacked. Jets rarely crash. Jets rarely crash into buildings. Buildings of this sheer size and importance rarely collapse. It was a shock- that is what captured people's attention.

3) All this happened IN FRONT OF OUR EYES. I watched as the planes were shown plunging into the twin towers, I watched people fall from the top of those buildings- I SAW the deaths of thousands of people. I WITNESSED A MURDER! Can The Craziest Col really say that those images are not as fresh in his mind as the day it happened even two years later?- some people obviously have short memories!

It wasn't only white people that died.
It wasn't only rich people that died (most were not)
It wasn't only Americans that died.

*sighs* i can't even bother to write anything more to this absolutely (in my opinion) sickening thread.

Hedfix wrote:
> A bunch of rich, white Americans died.

You clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Rich? They were ordinary, working class people, just getting on with their lives, and making a living. They weren't "rich".

White? Firstly, that has nothing to do with the matter, and also, there were almost equal amounts of creed in that bulding.

Same with the Americans statement. There were almost as many foreign (ie, Chinese, British, German, Taiwanese) people in that building than Americans.


> They are somehow more important than other people in the world.

Again, completely wrong. It wasn't the people as such inside, any human being that is brtually murdered is a tragedy. But it was the building itself that drew attention, and how such a thing was allowed to happen. The WTC was a key building in the world of finance, which effected the world terribly. But that is a very insensitive statement. That they are more important. As I said above, they weren't all Americans. Pfft.

> Obviously I'm generalising but I think my point is clear.

Another thing that is clear is that you have no idea what you're talking about.