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Sat 27/07/02 at 17:15
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I don’t think I would be expressing a minority opinion here if I said I enjoy computer games. In particular I enjoy games that involve killing things, often human beings. Recently, I have sampled the delights of Medal of Honour, Max Payne, RTCW, Operation Flashpoint, and most recently Soldier of Fortune 2. Now, I love Soldier of Fortune 2. The reason I love it is not for the beautiful graphics (though they are stunning), the twisting story (though it is intriguing) or Madeline Taylor (um…), the reason Soldier of Fortune 2 is enjoyable is because you get to kill things in the head, in graphic detail, and with a fantastic selection of weapons. And don’t try to pretend you’re any different.
I also have what many (including myself) would describe as an unhealthy obsession with guns. I can tell you what caliber rounds an M4A1 Carbine assault rifle fires, three different names for the SA80, what the hell an M203 is, the difference between an AK47 and an AK74, and why you need to be afraid of Vinnie Jones in Snatch telling you he has “Desert Eagle, point five oh” written down the side of his.
However, despite what the press will tell you, I am not yet a homicidal lunatic. Finding out so much information about firearms and seeing people die in horrific ways on screen has taught me a lot. As a result, I am about as anti-guns as anyone you’re likely to meet. The idea of them being freely available to the public as they are in America terrifies me. The idea of people keeping them and firing them for fun disgusts me. They are lethal weapons. They are not for “fun”. You may be the sanest person in the world but to own a gun is dangerous in so many ways, as I have seen for myself (as closely as I ever want to). I have to admit that it seems conceivable that violence on the scale of SoF2 may push an already unbalanced person over the edge, but anyone possessing a sound and rational mind can only draw one conclusion. Mr. Heckler, Mr. Koch, take your guns and stick them where the sun don't shine. If the tabloids feel like a headline, how about “Computer games taught me guns are evil”.
Fri 02/08/02 at 23:58
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cookie monster wrote:

> Well the guy must have been a bad shot, if you shoot a bear in the
> head with a bullet it dies. Period.

Well, he was a professional hunter, he'd done it loads of times before, but stuff happens, as has already been observed.
Thu 01/08/02 at 21:28
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TheMeistro wrote:
> Actually, it's supposed to be a really bad idea to shoot a bear. The
> only ones that are normally dangerous are grizzlies and there was this
> expert hunter chap who shot this bear 3 times with an elephant rifle
> and when he went to check it was dead, the bear ripped his face off.
> Sure, I guess you have a better chance of surviving with a gun than a
> knife, but really you don't want to be trying to stab or shoot a bear.
> The best way is to scare them off with pepper spray. hmm...

Well the guy must have been a bad shot, if you shoot a bear in the head with a bullet it dies. Period.
Thu 01/08/02 at 21:05
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Skarra wrote:
> That's a good question. I'd do what i have to do the stay alive,
> simple self-preservation. It's simple, as the US forces say, do or
> die, gun ho, gun ho, gun ho.

umm, we're talking a burglar coming into your house to take your stuff, not a murderer to slit your throat in your sleep.
Thu 01/08/02 at 21:00
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cookie monster wrote:
if i was
> camping in the wilderness and a bear attacked me, do you think i would
> have a better chance of survival with a gun, or with a hunting knife?

Actually, it's supposed to be a really bad idea to shoot a bear. The only ones that are normally dangerous are grizzlies and there was this expert hunter chap who shot this bear 3 times with an elephant rifle and when he went to check it was dead, the bear ripped his face off. Sure, I guess you have a better chance of surviving with a gun than a knife, but really you don't want to be trying to stab or shoot a bear. The best way is to scare them off with pepper spray. hmm...

Someone mentioned
> using clubs instead, so if you club someone on the head, they wont
> die? They wont have brain damage? God id rather get shot in the brain
> with the gun, at least thats quicker!

What? Whatwhatwhat? Don't be a silly s*d. It is perfectly possibly to knock somone out without killing them. Just because you have concussion doesn't mean you're going to die slowly and horribly, it just means you'll have a bit of a headache. You said you'd rather be shot than hit with a club. That really is just taking the p*ss.
Thu 01/08/02 at 20:53
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Lord H wrote:
> From his comments I am guessing that TheMeistro would have a nice cup
> of tea with the scumbag before helping him put all the stuff in the
> van and giving him a playful pat on the butt......

several replies to write now.. I'll start with this one:

Look, if the only two courses of action you would consider when encountering a burglar are shoot him or give him a cup of tea, there's something quite wrong with you to begin with.

To demonstrate, I will create a clever parallel (or at least a parallel) with this question:
If I give all burglars a cup of tea, does that mean I shoot all mail delivery peeps?
Wed 31/07/02 at 23:23
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Lord H wrote:
> ®eDdY²°°2 wrote:
> Thats probaly what my dad would do. And no I woudlent stop him :D
>
> It's good to know there are sane people left in the world.
>
> From his comments I am guessing that TheMeistro would have a nice cup
> of tea with the scumbag before helping him put all the stuff in the
> van and giving him a playful pat on the butt......

LMAO!

Very funny!
Wed 31/07/02 at 22:40
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®eDdY²°°2 wrote:
> Thats probaly what my dad would do. And no I woudlent stop him :D

It's good to know there are sane people left in the world.

From his comments I am guessing that TheMeistro would have a nice cup of tea with the scumbag before helping him put all the stuff in the van and giving him a playful pat on the butt......
Wed 31/07/02 at 20:31
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Thegerrid wrote:
> cookie monster wrote:
> "God id rather get shot in the brain with the gun, at least thats
> quicker"
>
> Are you sure, I think that the survival rate from head injuries with
> clubs is better than with bullets.
> And also, you have more chance of repelling the attack with a club,
> you could put your arm over your face or whatever.

Have you ever had a concussion? Its the worst experience ive ever had, and if it resulted in me having brain damage and ending up a vegetable, i would rather take the bullet.
Wed 31/07/02 at 20:22
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cookie monster wrote:
"God id rather get shot in the brain with the gun, at least thats quicker"

Are you sure, I think that the survival rate from head injuries with clubs is better than with bullets.
And also, you have more chance of repelling the attack with a club, you could put your arm over your face or whatever.
Wed 31/07/02 at 20:19
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Lord H wrote:
> TheMeistro wrote:
> You "wouldn't consider him human"?
>
> No I wouldn't consider him human and I would probably stamp on his
> face until he stopped moving then stamp some more. No one has a right
> to be in my house unless they are invited especially sub human scum
> like burglars.

Thats probaly what my dad would do. And no I woudlent stop him :D

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