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PS2.
Now what has the PS2 really and truly going for it now?
Metal Gear Substance Hmm?
Well possibly, that's if you don't have the truly excellent MGS2 though.
But then there is Devil May Cry 2, all those pointless Mario Clones that will never succeed in Bettering Mario Sunshine such as Ratchet and Clank, because lets face it Mario Sunshine WILL be good, great in fact, Miyamoto is on Full Time with this one.
But really, think about it now of any other release that is a genuine buy will also be on Gamecube and Xbox. And when that happens we get better visuals with the GC and Xbox so why bother with PS2 versions?
And its been done before- Burnout it is Visually Better on GC than it is on PS2. Like- oooh so many others.......
Which brings me onto the PS2 graphics, they are sub standard!
The Majority of Games are very washed out looking- GTA3 for one and most have Jagged Edges too, plus the Flickering is appalling in some games.
Face it Sonyphiles, out of the three consoles that is out there the PS2 is the worst in terms of Visuals. The best in Visuals has to be the Gamecube followed by the Xbox. Im not being biased either, but its what I have seen and witnessed and played on EACH system to form that opinion, I own each system and take a very un-biased approach to each, if a game looks crap or plays crap ill not be afraid to say to others that it is crap, full stop.
Then we have the PS2 Controller, which is quite frankly against the other three consoles ranking Number two next to the Mighty Comfortable Gamecube effort. Having Nintendo ideas welded onto the Dual Shock (And inside the Plastic thing) it still gets a little too un-comfortable, which is shocking given where the ideas come from, the left analogue stick is awkwardly placed- fidgety and a pain. And the Analogue buttons are useless.
But lets ask one thing...A beloved machine? yes by countless millions, is the mightey PS2!.
It is only in the position it is now due to its older brother and its older brother was only successful because of Nintendo.
It is loved and cherished for all the wrong reasons, many people out there who stick by it are just too biased, too darn built up with their own mystic fantasies of it that they refuse to sample the delights of any other system. These same people, which the majority are teens, not the Teens that Sony claim to be aiming for but Children! Little children and older children. They have all got it into their head that the PS2 is the best thing ever created, they are the same people who's first console was the PS and never owned a non-Sony console in their life, which makes them blinkered even further.
Nintendo on the other hand have an average age group of 23 who own Gamecube's, consider that. And the Nintendo players have a long history with the company.
Sonyphiles, open your eyes. Sample the delights that is out there that hasn't a Sony Logo on it. You see, what I think is that Sonyphiles are afraid to do that, afraid to sample other machines to spend hours and nights and days on the greats of the XBox and GC in case they are drawn from the Sickly Beloved PS2's and realising there is better out there...by a mile!.
Am I right?
Now what has the PS2 really and truly going for it now?
Metal Gear Substance Hmm?
Well possibly, that's if you don't have the truly excellent MGS2 though.
But then there is Devil May Cry 2, all those pointless Mario Clones that will never succeed in Bettering Mario Sunshine such as Ratchet and Clank, because lets face it Mario Sunshine WILL be good, great in fact, Miyamoto is on Full Time with this one.
But really, think about it now of any other release that is a genuine buy will also be on Gamecube and Xbox. And when that happens we get better visuals with the GC and Xbox so why bother with PS2 versions?
And its been done before- Burnout it is Visually Better on GC than it is on PS2. Like- oooh so many others.......
Which brings me onto the PS2 graphics, they are sub standard!
The Majority of Games are very washed out looking- GTA3 for one and most have Jagged Edges too, plus the Flickering is appalling in some games.
Face it Sonyphiles, out of the three consoles that is out there the PS2 is the worst in terms of Visuals. The best in Visuals has to be the Gamecube followed by the Xbox. Im not being biased either, but its what I have seen and witnessed and played on EACH system to form that opinion, I own each system and take a very un-biased approach to each, if a game looks crap or plays crap ill not be afraid to say to others that it is crap, full stop.
Then we have the PS2 Controller, which is quite frankly against the other three consoles ranking Number two next to the Mighty Comfortable Gamecube effort. Having Nintendo ideas welded onto the Dual Shock (And inside the Plastic thing) it still gets a little too un-comfortable, which is shocking given where the ideas come from, the left analogue stick is awkwardly placed- fidgety and a pain. And the Analogue buttons are useless.
But lets ask one thing...A beloved machine? yes by countless millions, is the mightey PS2!.
It is only in the position it is now due to its older brother and its older brother was only successful because of Nintendo.
It is loved and cherished for all the wrong reasons, many people out there who stick by it are just too biased, too darn built up with their own mystic fantasies of it that they refuse to sample the delights of any other system. These same people, which the majority are teens, not the Teens that Sony claim to be aiming for but Children! Little children and older children. They have all got it into their head that the PS2 is the best thing ever created, they are the same people who's first console was the PS and never owned a non-Sony console in their life, which makes them blinkered even further.
Nintendo on the other hand have an average age group of 23 who own Gamecube's, consider that. And the Nintendo players have a long history with the company.
Sonyphiles, open your eyes. Sample the delights that is out there that hasn't a Sony Logo on it. You see, what I think is that Sonyphiles are afraid to do that, afraid to sample other machines to spend hours and nights and days on the greats of the XBox and GC in case they are drawn from the Sickly Beloved PS2's and realising there is better out there...by a mile!.
Am I right?
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Sonies gayz and suc menz willies.
If that doesn't win the argument then I don't know what will. Oh and they took longer releasing the GC because Nintendo actually like to take time perfecting their hardware instead of rushing it out.
If that doesn't win the argument then I don't know what will. Oh and they took longer releasing the GC because Nintendo actually like to take time perfecting their hardware instead of rushing it out.
Edgy wrote:
> Turbonutter wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> Turbonutter wrote:
>
>
> And don't say "The PS2 has been out longer", you'll just
> dig
> yourself into a lovely hole.
>
> But it's true, the PS2 has been out for around 2 years in the UK,
> the
> GameCube is in it's second month, so what do you expect, 300 quality
> titles for the GameCube?
>
> Hole it is then.
>
> NO, I EXPECT NINTENDO TO RELEASE THE GAMECUBE ON TIME
>
>
> They did! They said May 3rd as their first release date, and that's
> the date it was released. Anything said before was estimation (i.e.
> Christmas 2001, Spring 02)
That's still over a year and a half after the PlayStation 2 - what took them so long?
> Not ONLY have we got more quality titles, we've had them longer.
> You're basically defending Nintendo by saying "That's OK,
> they've
> been being crap and delaying the GameCube for ages".And you
> call
> us brainwashed sheep...
>
>
> Nintendo never delayed the GameCube for UK release. Their first
> specific date for release was May 3rd. The fact that Nintendo have
> only released 5 titles, 3 of which I've got and enjoy very much, the
> other two I've heard good things about, means that so far, none of
> Nintendo's games are actually crap. I know Sony make their own games
> to a small degree, but most of the games on the PS2 that are any good
> are multiformat and don't have anything to do with Sony.
There are so many games that are not made by Sony, yet are rock-solid Sony only. GT3 is one of them - not made by SCEE but Polyphony is owned by Sony. This is only one example.
> Anyway, just because the PS2 has more titles, doesn't make it
> better.
> I can't afford every GameCube game that's out, and unless you're
> very
> rich, I'm sure you ain't got all the decent (all 2 of them :) ) PS2
> games since the console's release!
>
> I've got pretty much. I own 21 games, all have scored over 8/10 in
> OPS2, which is a high score, and all I think are better than the
> majority of games I owned for my PSone and N64, which is quote good
> actually. I don't buy every game, I confess to have actually either
> won or had them bought for me.
>
> So the PS2 only has 21 decent games? I could use the same argument in
> that Nintendo Official Magazine gave most games I've got on GameCube
> and practically all 35 N64 games my brother has got over 80% or 8/10
> in the same way you have, but it doesn't make those games good.
> Official magazines are totally biased, no matter how they try to
> disguise it. OPSM, being official, basically gives misleading scores
> as does NOM. Ok, it may be great for news, but don't take magazine
> scores seriously.
This is *WRONG* I actually have 11 games on my wishlist - all 8/10 over, Don't forget though it's a base nought scoring system, so 8/10 == 90%, but they don't judge it like that. You really must read the explanation, I'll scan it if you want. However, OPS2 never taske bribes for their games - it just doesn't follow. GT3 9/10? J&D 9/10? GTA3 8/10. Oh yes, they're obviously bent. NOM I've no question about, but OPS2 are straight up - hell, 2 of their reviewers work for Xbox magazine!
> Some people only buy a small selection of games throughout a
> consoles
> life, so don't give me the "It's got more games" crap
But there's more choice, not just "Here are the good games, they feature monkeys, starcraft and a plumber".
> I'm only reflecting Ninty arguments...
>
> Why, because every argument for Nintendo is wrong? It seems that all
> you want to do is continue petty console wars in a way less obvious.
Yes...
> The fact of the matter is Nintendo are a good games company.
We'll gloss over that one.
> They've
> made all sorts of games since 1889 originally starting out with card
> games. Note: I didn't say Sony aren't a decent games company, if they
> weren't they wouldn't be competing against Nintendo and Microsoft, the
> fact you dismiss anything with the name "Nintendo" on it
> just shows how bias your opinions are.
No, it's honestly just to annoy the Nintys. I owned an N64!
> Turbonutter wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> Turbonutter wrote:
>
>
> And don't say "The PS2 has been out longer", you'll just
> dig
> yourself into a lovely hole.
>
> But it's true, the PS2 has been out for around 2 years in the UK,
> the
> GameCube is in it's second month, so what do you expect, 300 quality
> titles for the GameCube?
>
> Hole it is then.
>
> NO, I EXPECT NINTENDO TO RELEASE THE GAMECUBE ON TIME
>
>
> They did! They said May 3rd as their first release date, and that's
> the date it was released. Anything said before was estimation (i.e.
> Christmas 2001, Spring 02)
That's still over a year and a half after the PlayStation 2 - what took them so long?
> Not ONLY have we got more quality titles, we've had them longer.
> You're basically defending Nintendo by saying "That's OK,
> they've
> been being crap and delaying the GameCube for ages".And you
> call
> us brainwashed sheep...
>
>
> Nintendo never delayed the GameCube for UK release. Their first
> specific date for release was May 3rd. The fact that Nintendo have
> only released 5 titles, 3 of which I've got and enjoy very much, the
> other two I've heard good things about, means that so far, none of
> Nintendo's games are actually crap. I know Sony make their own games
> to a small degree, but most of the games on the PS2 that are any good
> are multiformat and don't have anything to do with Sony.
There are so many games that are not made by Sony, yet are rock-solid Sony only. GT3 is one of them - not made by SCEE but Polyphony is owned by Sony. This is only one example.
> Anyway, just because the PS2 has more titles, doesn't make it
> better.
> I can't afford every GameCube game that's out, and unless you're
> very
> rich, I'm sure you ain't got all the decent (all 2 of them :) ) PS2
> games since the console's release!
>
> I've got pretty much. I own 21 games, all have scored over 8/10 in
> OPS2, which is a high score, and all I think are better than the
> majority of games I owned for my PSone and N64, which is quote good
> actually. I don't buy every game, I confess to have actually either
> won or had them bought for me.
>
> So the PS2 only has 21 decent games? I could use the same argument in
> that Nintendo Official Magazine gave most games I've got on GameCube
> and practically all 35 N64 games my brother has got over 80% or 8/10
> in the same way you have, but it doesn't make those games good.
> Official magazines are totally biased, no matter how they try to
> disguise it. OPSM, being official, basically gives misleading scores
> as does NOM. Ok, it may be great for news, but don't take magazine
> scores seriously.
This is *WRONG* I actually have 11 games on my wishlist - all 8/10 over, Don't forget though it's a base nought scoring system, so 8/10 == 90%, but they don't judge it like that. You really must read the explanation, I'll scan it if you want. However, OPS2 never taske bribes for their games - it just doesn't follow. GT3 9/10? J&D 9/10? GTA3 8/10. Oh yes, they're obviously bent. NOM I've no question about, but OPS2 are straight up - hell, 2 of their reviewers work for Xbox magazine!
> Some people only buy a small selection of games throughout a
> consoles
> life, so don't give me the "It's got more games" crap
But there's more choice, not just "Here are the good games, they feature monkeys, starcraft and a plumber".
> I'm only reflecting Ninty arguments...
>
> Why, because every argument for Nintendo is wrong? It seems that all
> you want to do is continue petty console wars in a way less obvious.
Yes...
> The fact of the matter is Nintendo are a good games company.
We'll gloss over that one.
> They've
> made all sorts of games since 1889 originally starting out with card
> games. Note: I didn't say Sony aren't a decent games company, if they
> weren't they wouldn't be competing against Nintendo and Microsoft, the
> fact you dismiss anything with the name "Nintendo" on it
> just shows how bias your opinions are.
No, it's honestly just to annoy the Nintys. I owned an N64!
Turbonutter wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> Turbonutter wrote:
>
>
> And don't say "The PS2 has been out longer", you'll just
> dig
> yourself into a lovely hole.
>
> But it's true, the PS2 has been out for around 2 years in the UK,
> the
> GameCube is in it's second month, so what do you expect, 300 quality
> titles for the GameCube?
>
> Hole it is then.
>
> NO, I EXPECT NINTENDO TO RELEASE THE GAMECUBE ON TIME
>
They did! They said May 3rd as their first release date, and that's the date it was released. Anything said before was estimation (i.e. Christmas 2001, Spring 02)
> Not ONLY have we got more quality titles, we've had them longer.
> You're basically defending Nintendo by saying "That's OK, they've
> been being crap and delaying the GameCube for ages".And you call
> us brainwashed sheep...
>
Nintendo never delayed the GameCube for UK release. Their first specific date for release was May 3rd. The fact that Nintendo have only released 5 titles, 3 of which I've got and enjoy very much, the other two I've heard good things about, means that so far, none of Nintendo's games are actually crap. I know Sony make their own games to a small degree, but most of the games on the PS2 that are any good are multiformat and don't have anything to do with Sony.
> Anyway, just because the PS2 has more titles, doesn't make it
> better.
> I can't afford every GameCube game that's out, and unless you're
> very
> rich, I'm sure you ain't got all the decent (all 2 of them :) ) PS2
> games since the console's release!
>
> I've got pretty much. I own 21 games, all have scored over 8/10 in
> OPS2, which is a high score, and all I think are better than the
> majority of games I owned for my PSone and N64, which is quote good
> actually. I don't buy every game, I confess to have actually either
> won or had them bought for me.
So the PS2 only has 21 decent games? I could use the same argument in that Nintendo Official Magazine gave most games I've got on GameCube and practically all 35 N64 games my brother has got over 80% or 8/10 in the same way you have, but it doesn't make those games good. Official magazines are totally biased, no matter how they try to disguise it. OPSM, being official, basically gives misleading scores as does NOM. Ok, it may be great for news, but don't take magazine scores seriously.
>
> Some people only buy a small selection of games throughout a
> consoles
> life, so don't give me the "It's got more games" crap
>
> I'm only reflecting Ninty arguments...
Why, because every argument for Nintendo is wrong? It seems that all you want to do is continue petty console wars in a way less obvious. The fact of the matter is Nintendo are a good games company. They've made all sorts of games since 1889 originally starting out with card games. Note: I didn't say Sony aren't a decent games company, if they weren't they wouldn't be competing against Nintendo and Microsoft, the fact you dismiss anything with the name "Nintendo" on it just shows how bias your opinions are.
> Edgy wrote:
> Turbonutter wrote:
>
>
> And don't say "The PS2 has been out longer", you'll just
> dig
> yourself into a lovely hole.
>
> But it's true, the PS2 has been out for around 2 years in the UK,
> the
> GameCube is in it's second month, so what do you expect, 300 quality
> titles for the GameCube?
>
> Hole it is then.
>
> NO, I EXPECT NINTENDO TO RELEASE THE GAMECUBE ON TIME
>
They did! They said May 3rd as their first release date, and that's the date it was released. Anything said before was estimation (i.e. Christmas 2001, Spring 02)
> Not ONLY have we got more quality titles, we've had them longer.
> You're basically defending Nintendo by saying "That's OK, they've
> been being crap and delaying the GameCube for ages".And you call
> us brainwashed sheep...
>
Nintendo never delayed the GameCube for UK release. Their first specific date for release was May 3rd. The fact that Nintendo have only released 5 titles, 3 of which I've got and enjoy very much, the other two I've heard good things about, means that so far, none of Nintendo's games are actually crap. I know Sony make their own games to a small degree, but most of the games on the PS2 that are any good are multiformat and don't have anything to do with Sony.
> Anyway, just because the PS2 has more titles, doesn't make it
> better.
> I can't afford every GameCube game that's out, and unless you're
> very
> rich, I'm sure you ain't got all the decent (all 2 of them :) ) PS2
> games since the console's release!
>
> I've got pretty much. I own 21 games, all have scored over 8/10 in
> OPS2, which is a high score, and all I think are better than the
> majority of games I owned for my PSone and N64, which is quote good
> actually. I don't buy every game, I confess to have actually either
> won or had them bought for me.
So the PS2 only has 21 decent games? I could use the same argument in that Nintendo Official Magazine gave most games I've got on GameCube and practically all 35 N64 games my brother has got over 80% or 8/10 in the same way you have, but it doesn't make those games good. Official magazines are totally biased, no matter how they try to disguise it. OPSM, being official, basically gives misleading scores as does NOM. Ok, it may be great for news, but don't take magazine scores seriously.
>
> Some people only buy a small selection of games throughout a
> consoles
> life, so don't give me the "It's got more games" crap
>
> I'm only reflecting Ninty arguments...
Why, because every argument for Nintendo is wrong? It seems that all you want to do is continue petty console wars in a way less obvious. The fact of the matter is Nintendo are a good games company. They've made all sorts of games since 1889 originally starting out with card games. Note: I didn't say Sony aren't a decent games company, if they weren't they wouldn't be competing against Nintendo and Microsoft, the fact you dismiss anything with the name "Nintendo" on it just shows how bias your opinions are.
Turbonutter wrote:
I'm sure you ain't got all the decent (all 2 of them :) ) PS2
> games since the console's release!
>
Thats exactly right, I'm so glad we agree at last.
I'm sure you ain't got all the decent (all 2 of them :) ) PS2
> games since the console's release!
>
Thats exactly right, I'm so glad we agree at last.
Turbonutter wrote:
>> I've got pretty much. I own 21 games, all have scored over 8/10 in
> OPS2,
and that assures me that they are qiality games - 21 8/10 games? They are pretty OTT with their scoring syestem then........
>> I've got pretty much. I own 21 games, all have scored over 8/10 in
> OPS2,
and that assures me that they are qiality games - 21 8/10 games? They are pretty OTT with their scoring syestem then........
>They have all got it into their head that the PS2 is the best thing ever created, they are the same people who's first console was the PS and never >owned a non-Sony console in their life, which makes them blinkered even further
and u seem to have it in your head that the Gamecube is the best thing ever created....lol....i wont comment...all consoles are good in there own way..there thats fair.
and u seem to have it in your head that the Gamecube is the best thing ever created....lol....i wont comment...all consoles are good in there own way..there thats fair.
nh wrote:
> Oh yeah woopee - another juvenile console war thread.
>
> When you will you people realise.
>
> It is not about the damn consoles, it's about the games.
>
> We buy consoles to play games on, no other reason.
>
> Each console has their own great games either out or coming out, make
> your decisions based on what games you want to play or better still
> get all three and forget about becoming embroiled in these silly
> arguments.
>
> It's the GAMES that count......
Of course the games are the most important thing but the consoles count too! Firstly because console market share could have a direct effect to the quality of games being developed - The PS1 had a virtual monopoly and just look at the cack that has been released on that in recent times!! Secondly, if it truly is the games that count then why did the Dreamcast fail? It had top quality titles across a range of genres yet it failed to sell........
> Oh yeah woopee - another juvenile console war thread.
>
> When you will you people realise.
>
> It is not about the damn consoles, it's about the games.
>
> We buy consoles to play games on, no other reason.
>
> Each console has their own great games either out or coming out, make
> your decisions based on what games you want to play or better still
> get all three and forget about becoming embroiled in these silly
> arguments.
>
> It's the GAMES that count......
Of course the games are the most important thing but the consoles count too! Firstly because console market share could have a direct effect to the quality of games being developed - The PS1 had a virtual monopoly and just look at the cack that has been released on that in recent times!! Secondly, if it truly is the games that count then why did the Dreamcast fail? It had top quality titles across a range of genres yet it failed to sell........
nh wrote:
> Ok then
>
> I fink PS2 rox and X-box sux and Gaymcube is for gurlies !
>
> Better ? ;-)
LOL
Never has there been a better argued opinion!
> Ok then
>
> I fink PS2 rox and X-box sux and Gaymcube is for gurlies !
>
> Better ? ;-)
LOL
Never has there been a better argued opinion!
Everyone knows it's all about the games (and the potential for future games).
But there's still plenty of room for objective opinions. It's a bit like people who bother you in the street to convert you to a religion! They all have good arguements, but will insist others are wrong.
But there's still plenty of room for objective opinions. It's a bit like people who bother you in the street to convert you to a religion! They all have good arguements, but will insist others are wrong.
Ok then
I fink PS2 rox and X-box sux and Gaymcube is for gurlies !
Better ? ;-)
I fink PS2 rox and X-box sux and Gaymcube is for gurlies !
Better ? ;-)
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