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This is just my opinion on some stuff. Which side do you favor - scientific or religious route? Foreword: This, which I am about to type isn’t science-fiction nonsense. Much of what is written is based on scientifically proven fact, and the rest is my opinion. Using a combination of the two, a reasonably non-contradictory explanation can hopefully be created. Right.
In the beginning there was the big bang, the creation of OUR universe. There, at the same time, were also an infinite number of other big bangs elsewhere in the multiverse. The multiverse is a fluid medium in which our, and many other universes float. Our universe is likely to be donut-shaped, but as we have no scientific proof, and never will have, this can never be proved. The multiverse cannot be defined; it is a place where “god” exists. Here he/she/it created all the universes, possibly simultaneously. He DID create everything we know, but in a random manner. Each universe is similar to at least one other universe, but with one single tiny difference in the laws of physics. For every possible outcome that could arise, there is a universe for each possibility (hence parallel universe. But this is actually lies because if it was a parallel universe then everything would be the same and it’s not, there is one difference in each one). Our universe is almost infinitely large, and is expanding, at an almost infinite rate. (Again not 100% scientific fact but this is what is generally believed to be happening)
The universe is several billion years old, this IS scientific fact and flatly contradicts the Bible, which claims the earth is a mere 5000 years old, but the earth is also several billion years old. It could be ¼ the age of the universe or perhaps even less. But still, that is substantially more than 5000 years. If the bible is wrong on such a scale, such a massive fact then surely other, more minor facts must also be incorrect. The bible clearly has a lot of truth. And it also has many valid points, and thus should be followed. But, in my opinion, whether you follow it or not, has no effect on the “afterlife”, more on this later.
The earth was formed in space over millions or billions of years, due to the accumulation of dust and particles in space, formed by a destroyed star or the creation of the universe itself. The gravity of all the little bits pulled together to form a large planet. There was extreme heat here because of all the forces acting upon the planet, during its creation. Here it sat and boiled for a while, until it got smacked by a super-massive asteroid, and this caused bits of it to fly off. These bits went into orbit around the earth and formed the moon. Earth now is kind of cooling down, and sort of becoming habitable. Life will soon form, but there are two possible ways in which this could happen.
1. Bits of stuff, proteins etc congealed in a pool, by chance formed an organism and this organism then decided it was a plant. And thus life on earth arose due to its own volition.
2. There was already life elsewhere in the universe, which is highly likely due to the place’s age, 5 billion years+ is likely to form life (as stated in 1.), and a meteor or whatever struck this planet. Some bacteria or plant material was transported through space in/on the asteroid. It landed on our humble planet, escaped and started up here.
If either of these are true, which they could well be, does it not occur to you that life is just a big bunch of random proteins and stuff congealed together, by luck/chance, and evolution have culminated, on this planet at any rate, in humans. Look at really basic life: an amoeba. It clearly has no intelligence; it simply isn’t capable of it. Don’t say it does, because it simply cant think, it lives, breeds etc on genetic instinct built into it. It has no choice, it has no ethics, and it has no ‘spirit’. Eat or not eat. Divide or not divide. That’s about the limit of its choices. Then look at us: are we any different? NO. Our brains are just 2 lbs of gray mush that has been formed over millions of years of natural selection. The brain is really great. It’s quite smashing. It can do millions of things per second; it’s faster than ANY computer. It controls electrical signals generated in our brain, generally by external stimuli. Sight, smell etc. these electrical signals go to glands or whatever, send out hormones, and stuff.
Personality is just a bonus, a side effect of the brain. Look at dolphins, or sharks, or snakes, or mice. Not stupid animals, they have personalities, just like any one of us. But would you say they have a “spirit”? Do they have a god? In the literal sense, yes they do as god is (potentially) an omnipotent being who created the universes. But do they go to heaven when they die? Do the dolphins go to a massive sea in the sky with as many hoops, balls and fish as they want? To the mice go to cheese-land? No. How? Because there is no such place, there is no such thing as “spirits,” or “your soul”. There is the person inside oneself, but that is primarily defined at conception, then later, after birth, formed through external influences. It may sound heartless but it is, in my opinion, the truth.
So, what happens when we die? Where do we go, what happens to our consciousness? It simply stops. There is nothing there; you simply don’t exist (other then your dead body). Whatever thoughts, feelings or whatever you had on your dying day will be stored there still, in your deceased brain, until it degrades, the memory cells die and THEN, you are gone. So in a way you do exist after death, if only briefly. But of course you are dead, there is no heart action, thus no brain function, therefore it is the end.
If you disagree with any of my points, feel free to criticize.
Thanks for reading,
LF
In the beginning there was the big bang, the creation of OUR universe. There, at the same time, were also an infinite number of other big bangs elsewhere in the multiverse. The multiverse is a fluid medium in which our, and many other universes float. Our universe is likely to be donut-shaped, but as we have no scientific proof, and never will have, this can never be proved. The multiverse cannot be defined; it is a place where “god” exists. Here he/she/it created all the universes, possibly simultaneously. He DID create everything we know, but in a random manner. Each universe is similar to at least one other universe, but with one single tiny difference in the laws of physics. For every possible outcome that could arise, there is a universe for each possibility (hence parallel universe. But this is actually lies because if it was a parallel universe then everything would be the same and it’s not, there is one difference in each one). Our universe is almost infinitely large, and is expanding, at an almost infinite rate. (Again not 100% scientific fact but this is what is generally believed to be happening)
The universe is several billion years old, this IS scientific fact and flatly contradicts the Bible, which claims the earth is a mere 5000 years old, but the earth is also several billion years old. It could be ¼ the age of the universe or perhaps even less. But still, that is substantially more than 5000 years. If the bible is wrong on such a scale, such a massive fact then surely other, more minor facts must also be incorrect. The bible clearly has a lot of truth. And it also has many valid points, and thus should be followed. But, in my opinion, whether you follow it or not, has no effect on the “afterlife”, more on this later.
The earth was formed in space over millions or billions of years, due to the accumulation of dust and particles in space, formed by a destroyed star or the creation of the universe itself. The gravity of all the little bits pulled together to form a large planet. There was extreme heat here because of all the forces acting upon the planet, during its creation. Here it sat and boiled for a while, until it got smacked by a super-massive asteroid, and this caused bits of it to fly off. These bits went into orbit around the earth and formed the moon. Earth now is kind of cooling down, and sort of becoming habitable. Life will soon form, but there are two possible ways in which this could happen.
1. Bits of stuff, proteins etc congealed in a pool, by chance formed an organism and this organism then decided it was a plant. And thus life on earth arose due to its own volition.
2. There was already life elsewhere in the universe, which is highly likely due to the place’s age, 5 billion years+ is likely to form life (as stated in 1.), and a meteor or whatever struck this planet. Some bacteria or plant material was transported through space in/on the asteroid. It landed on our humble planet, escaped and started up here.
If either of these are true, which they could well be, does it not occur to you that life is just a big bunch of random proteins and stuff congealed together, by luck/chance, and evolution have culminated, on this planet at any rate, in humans. Look at really basic life: an amoeba. It clearly has no intelligence; it simply isn’t capable of it. Don’t say it does, because it simply cant think, it lives, breeds etc on genetic instinct built into it. It has no choice, it has no ethics, and it has no ‘spirit’. Eat or not eat. Divide or not divide. That’s about the limit of its choices. Then look at us: are we any different? NO. Our brains are just 2 lbs of gray mush that has been formed over millions of years of natural selection. The brain is really great. It’s quite smashing. It can do millions of things per second; it’s faster than ANY computer. It controls electrical signals generated in our brain, generally by external stimuli. Sight, smell etc. these electrical signals go to glands or whatever, send out hormones, and stuff.
Personality is just a bonus, a side effect of the brain. Look at dolphins, or sharks, or snakes, or mice. Not stupid animals, they have personalities, just like any one of us. But would you say they have a “spirit”? Do they have a god? In the literal sense, yes they do as god is (potentially) an omnipotent being who created the universes. But do they go to heaven when they die? Do the dolphins go to a massive sea in the sky with as many hoops, balls and fish as they want? To the mice go to cheese-land? No. How? Because there is no such place, there is no such thing as “spirits,” or “your soul”. There is the person inside oneself, but that is primarily defined at conception, then later, after birth, formed through external influences. It may sound heartless but it is, in my opinion, the truth.
So, what happens when we die? Where do we go, what happens to our consciousness? It simply stops. There is nothing there; you simply don’t exist (other then your dead body). Whatever thoughts, feelings or whatever you had on your dying day will be stored there still, in your deceased brain, until it degrades, the memory cells die and THEN, you are gone. So in a way you do exist after death, if only briefly. But of course you are dead, there is no heart action, thus no brain function, therefore it is the end.
If you disagree with any of my points, feel free to criticize.
Thanks for reading,
LF
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Grix Thraves wrote:
> Ant wrote:
> "Even if it does take millions of years, we should still see the
> changes."
>
> Something not... quite... right... there...
Bah, damn you and your brain Grix. :D
I meant that surely we should see some sort of half-fish, half-ape thing?
But I won't go on. I totally agree with Venom, and I can see that Evolution has a lot of followers, so I can't just say it's bull...which it is, of course. ;)
In reply to Sibs...good question. I'm only in year 10, but I've still done MOCKs and Science Modular GCSEs. They haven't really done too much Evolution, but there was a question about the Big Bang. Before I read the question I actually considering addind a fifth option to the question (it was multiple choice), and writing:
or
E) God created the Universe.
:D Okay, maybe not that, but I was still a little worried as to how God would think if I answered 'correctly' and circled the Big Bang. That's how much he means to me.
However, God had his say and the question was written like this, "what is the main scientific THEORY for the creation of our Universe."
I may not believe in it, but the Big Bang is a theory, and so I circled it.
> Ant wrote:
> "Even if it does take millions of years, we should still see the
> changes."
>
> Something not... quite... right... there...
Bah, damn you and your brain Grix. :D
I meant that surely we should see some sort of half-fish, half-ape thing?
But I won't go on. I totally agree with Venom, and I can see that Evolution has a lot of followers, so I can't just say it's bull...which it is, of course. ;)
In reply to Sibs...good question. I'm only in year 10, but I've still done MOCKs and Science Modular GCSEs. They haven't really done too much Evolution, but there was a question about the Big Bang. Before I read the question I actually considering addind a fifth option to the question (it was multiple choice), and writing:
or
E) God created the Universe.
:D Okay, maybe not that, but I was still a little worried as to how God would think if I answered 'correctly' and circled the Big Bang. That's how much he means to me.
However, God had his say and the question was written like this, "what is the main scientific THEORY for the creation of our Universe."
I may not believe in it, but the Big Bang is a theory, and so I circled it.
My head hurts... (again) :D
Anyway, Ant, just out of interest, have you done your GCSEs yet? If so what did you write on the Biology paper...? I mean in Biology you're taught all the natural selection and evolution stuff, and whether it is right or not, it must be hard writing something down that you think is, well, at best untrue, at worst total bull manure...
Anyway, Ant, just out of interest, have you done your GCSEs yet? If so what did you write on the Biology paper...? I mean in Biology you're taught all the natural selection and evolution stuff, and whether it is right or not, it must be hard writing something down that you think is, well, at best untrue, at worst total bull manure...
Evolution has been proven no more than Christainity has.
Suppose you're a scientist. You've seen the proof of evolution, and you simply know that the bible must be wrong.
Now, suppose you're a christian. Your God is omnipotent, so I suspect he could quite easily create a world which appeared to be a few billion years old.
Neither side can ever be 100% proven or disproven.
Suppose you're a scientist. You've seen the proof of evolution, and you simply know that the bible must be wrong.
Now, suppose you're a christian. Your God is omnipotent, so I suspect he could quite easily create a world which appeared to be a few billion years old.
Neither side can ever be 100% proven or disproven.
I believe in evolution, but you can't just say it's right. Because I think God doesn't exist, and there's millions of people like Ant who would disagree with me. Doesn't make them right but it doesn't make me right either.
Ant wrote:
"Even if it does take millions of years, we should still see the changes."
Something not... quite... right... there...
"Even if it does take millions of years, we should still see the changes."
Something not... quite... right... there...
cookie monster wrote:
> Ant wrote:
> There is no way Evolution is a 'proven fact.'
>
> How can you say that? Evolution is accepted all over the world as
> being the influence which has brought not just us, but every organism
> to where it is today.
Doesn't mean it's a proven fact.
It's because people can't be bothered to work out their own theories, and just accept that this is right, because scientists say so.
I respect people who belief in this, but I doubt that someone can actually prove it to me, without me finding any big flaws.
Surely if it were a 100% proven fact, we would all believe in it. Nothing is a proven fact until all flaws are eliminated, at least in my view.
Where are all the animals in mid-evolution? Is there a fish with one gill and one lung somewhere? Even if it does take millions of years, we should still see the changes.
> Ant wrote:
> There is no way Evolution is a 'proven fact.'
>
> How can you say that? Evolution is accepted all over the world as
> being the influence which has brought not just us, but every organism
> to where it is today.
Doesn't mean it's a proven fact.
It's because people can't be bothered to work out their own theories, and just accept that this is right, because scientists say so.
I respect people who belief in this, but I doubt that someone can actually prove it to me, without me finding any big flaws.
Surely if it were a 100% proven fact, we would all believe in it. Nothing is a proven fact until all flaws are eliminated, at least in my view.
Where are all the animals in mid-evolution? Is there a fish with one gill and one lung somewhere? Even if it does take millions of years, we should still see the changes.
===SONICRAV---> wrote:
> Isn't it a big odd that the conditions of the Universe are so perfect that life can be allowed to form.
Not at all, it is all the result of continued speciation and adaptive radiation which has occured over the billions of years that the earth has existed.
> Isn't it a big odd that the conditions of the Universe are so perfect that life can be allowed to form.
Not at all, it is all the result of continued speciation and adaptive radiation which has occured over the billions of years that the earth has existed.
dazeydave wrote:
> So if theres no life after death please explain this:There is the
> equivalant of 50,000 volts of electrical energy in your brain,energy
> cannot be destroyed or created it can only be transformed from one
> state to another,so where does this energy go and what state is it
> transformed to when you die...?
After you die micro organisms digest your body tissues and use your energy to go on living. Its all a big circle.
> So if theres no life after death please explain this:There is the
> equivalant of 50,000 volts of electrical energy in your brain,energy
> cannot be destroyed or created it can only be transformed from one
> state to another,so where does this energy go and what state is it
> transformed to when you die...?
After you die micro organisms digest your body tissues and use your energy to go on living. Its all a big circle.
Ant wrote:
> There is no way Evolution is a 'proven fact.'
How can you say that? Evolution is accepted all over the world as being the influence which has brought not just us, but every organism to where it is today.
> There is no way Evolution is a 'proven fact.'
How can you say that? Evolution is accepted all over the world as being the influence which has brought not just us, but every organism to where it is today.
MoJoJoJo wrote:
> Because it's a proven fact
Rubbish.
Sorry Mojo, but scientists are changing their explanations everyday. No more do they believe Evolution is right, but "Creationary Evolution." This doesn't mean there was a God, but in some shape or form us and the animals were specifically created for the type of environment we're in. It was all over AOL a couple of weeks ago.
There is no way Evolution is a 'proven fact.'
> Because it's a proven fact
Rubbish.
Sorry Mojo, but scientists are changing their explanations everyday. No more do they believe Evolution is right, but "Creationary Evolution." This doesn't mean there was a God, but in some shape or form us and the animals were specifically created for the type of environment we're in. It was all over AOL a couple of weeks ago.
There is no way Evolution is a 'proven fact.'
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