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Tue 23/04/02 at 15:10
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So the sun is out today, and it's a glorious day.
Except for one simple thing, and I'll try to explain.

There have been a number of posts here recently concerning foreign and domestic issues and immigrants/refugees etc, and I have had several discussions with folks here about what it means to be "British" and "Proud of England".

My stand is that I have no particular allegiance to this country, and as far as I'm concerned this is just another piece of rock floating on the sea that happens to have been labelled “England”.
We’ve seen a rise in the right-wing politics in France over the past couple of days, as well as a surge of right-wing votes/candidates in Germany, Italy and previously calm Switzerland.

There is the argument that “being proud of your country doesn’t mean your racist”. I agree with that idea, to an extent.
The way I feel, the moment you start saying “Well you live here then you observe our customs and ways” starts to sound a little strange to me. You have nothing to do with the fact that you are English, your parents do. Aside from the language you speak and the geographical location, you are exactly the same as Mehmet/Abdul/Nu-Gyen etc etc, and to insist they follow your traditions merely because they live in the same borders as you strikes me as odd.
But that’s just me.

To be “proud of your country” would suggest that you’ve done something for it. Fought in a war maybe, or just done something other than…well…nothing at all.
Being born here doesn’t make you any more worthy of being “proud to British” in my eyes.
And the fuss that gets caused because some council in Birmingham wants to rename Christmas etc etc is so utterly pointless, it doesn’t affect you at all.
So, to Wookie, YH and everyone else that has been banging on about being proud of being British etc (not specifically you two, but the only two names that spring to mind), I have 1 question:

Why has nobody mentioned the fact it’s St George’s Day today?

I would have thought that staunch UK Supporters might have made a little post about it somewhere.
Wed 24/04/02 at 11:18
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"Not your monkey"
Posts: 2,104
zaphod beeblebrox wrote:
> my point being that goatboy is an idiot


How Ironic. No, it has nothing to do with metal
Wed 24/04/02 at 11:16
Posts: 132
Meka Dragon wrote:
> zaphod beeblebrox wrote:
> goatboy said another piece of rock floating on the sea that happens
> to
> have been labelled “England"
> countrys dont float on the sea the sea fills in the gaps between
> continents. theres only 1 thing that floats on water and thats what
> goatboy is full of.
>
> Your point being?
my point being that goatboy is an idiot
Wed 24/04/02 at 11:15
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"I confused?"
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He doesn't agree with goatboy.
Wed 24/04/02 at 11:14
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"not dead"
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zaphod beeblebrox wrote:
> goatboy said another piece of rock floating on the sea that happens to
> have been labelled “England"
> countrys dont float on the sea the sea fills in the gaps between
> continents. theres only 1 thing that floats on water and thats what
> goatboy is full of.

Your point being?
Wed 24/04/02 at 11:14
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"I confused?"
Posts: 2,440
Sorry, i phrased that wrong.
Wed 24/04/02 at 11:14
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but i agree with everything else
Wed 24/04/02 at 11:13
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"I confused?"
Posts: 2,440
What the hell do you that contry was a dust ball untill we helped them.
Wed 24/04/02 at 11:12
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"Infantalised Forums"
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Your Honour wrote:

> Yup, and we voted them in.

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All governments are as bad as each other.
Labour/Conservative etc, nothing changes but the faces.

You're a good mate, I'm not even arguing with you.
I've had it with this whole topic.

I despise this country, this planet and 99% of the people on it.
Racist, blinkered morons.
We should all be flushed into space and let something else try and have a go.
Wed 24/04/02 at 11:10
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"Infantalised Forums"
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I can't even begin to try and talk to you Duck.
Go read your history books.
Wed 24/04/02 at 11:09
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"PC comes from idiot do-gooders, more interested in furthering their own ideas and beliefs rather than just getting on with things that matter."


Yup, and we voted them in.

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