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In my view patriotism is being proud of the country you live in.
Am I proud of being English? In a word, not really. The only thing that's happened in my life time that made be proud to be English was when we beat Germany 5-1 in the football last year.
That's it.
Nothing else in my life, since April 21st 1981, has made me proud to be English.
Lot's of things have made me ashamed to be English. Mainly when English people go abroad and cause trouble, slurring our reputation.
I should be proud to be English. Our country has a great history.
But that's it. History. It's past, not now. Not any more. For how long can we rely on things years past to be proud of? For how long can we say "Yeah, but we had the Empire." Had. Not any more.
What are we good at on a global level? Music? Sport? Athletics? Films? Books? Is there any apsect of life where we are acknowledged as being the best?
Perhaps one. The ceremony for the Queen Mum. We're good at pagentry (if that's the right word for it), we're good at pomp and ceremony.
Why is this? Why are we crap at most sports, and face it, we are.
Ok, we're getting better at football, and we're ok-ish at rugby. But that's it. In the US athletes have sponsorship. They don't have to work, they can spend time training.
Over here? Redgrave and Pinsent had to work full time while training for the olympics the other year. This is wrong. Why were they not given sponsorship to help them achieve their best?
Why do we not have academies and things for young people who have an obvious talent, to help them get the most out of that talent?
Not just in sport, but in other things. Music, films, books, art... all the creative things.
I keep mentioning sport but it happens in all aspects of life. Even in politics, we're seen as being America's lapdog.
We do what Europe tells us to do, even on THE most ridiculous things.
Why? We're our own country. We should do what we want to do. Why listen to people in Brussels, who we haven't voted in, to tell us what to do? That's not democracy. Being told what to do by unelected people is not democracy at all. It's a farce.
Result:
I'm am NOT proud to be English at all. Being English sucks.
I want to see our national teams do well, I want to see us do our own thing.
Yes, being in Europe would be good for some things. And we should embrace those things, but we should ignore the crap that seems to come with it.
What's the saying? When in Rome do as the Romans? How about this one: "When in England do as the English"?
The other year Birmingham City Council decided to re-name Christmas to "Winter Festival" or some crap name like that. Why?
To accomodate racial minorities in the city who don't celebrate christmas. They don't celebrate christmas, that's fine with me. But we bloody well do. Why should we change to accomodate them?
I'm not racist at all. But they CHOSE to come here, we didn't FORCE them to. The celebrate their festivals, we celebrate ours. What's the problem?
Political Correctness gone mad, that's the problem.
Anyway, I've written gibberish long enough. Congratulations if you got to the end without skipping the middle out...
Am I proud of being English? In a word, not really. The only thing that's happened in my life time that made be proud to be English was when we beat Germany 5-1 in the football last year.
That's it.
Nothing else in my life, since April 21st 1981, has made me proud to be English.
Lot's of things have made me ashamed to be English. Mainly when English people go abroad and cause trouble, slurring our reputation.
I should be proud to be English. Our country has a great history.
But that's it. History. It's past, not now. Not any more. For how long can we rely on things years past to be proud of? For how long can we say "Yeah, but we had the Empire." Had. Not any more.
What are we good at on a global level? Music? Sport? Athletics? Films? Books? Is there any apsect of life where we are acknowledged as being the best?
Perhaps one. The ceremony for the Queen Mum. We're good at pagentry (if that's the right word for it), we're good at pomp and ceremony.
Why is this? Why are we crap at most sports, and face it, we are.
Ok, we're getting better at football, and we're ok-ish at rugby. But that's it. In the US athletes have sponsorship. They don't have to work, they can spend time training.
Over here? Redgrave and Pinsent had to work full time while training for the olympics the other year. This is wrong. Why were they not given sponsorship to help them achieve their best?
Why do we not have academies and things for young people who have an obvious talent, to help them get the most out of that talent?
Not just in sport, but in other things. Music, films, books, art... all the creative things.
I keep mentioning sport but it happens in all aspects of life. Even in politics, we're seen as being America's lapdog.
We do what Europe tells us to do, even on THE most ridiculous things.
Why? We're our own country. We should do what we want to do. Why listen to people in Brussels, who we haven't voted in, to tell us what to do? That's not democracy. Being told what to do by unelected people is not democracy at all. It's a farce.
Result:
I'm am NOT proud to be English at all. Being English sucks.
I want to see our national teams do well, I want to see us do our own thing.
Yes, being in Europe would be good for some things. And we should embrace those things, but we should ignore the crap that seems to come with it.
What's the saying? When in Rome do as the Romans? How about this one: "When in England do as the English"?
The other year Birmingham City Council decided to re-name Christmas to "Winter Festival" or some crap name like that. Why?
To accomodate racial minorities in the city who don't celebrate christmas. They don't celebrate christmas, that's fine with me. But we bloody well do. Why should we change to accomodate them?
I'm not racist at all. But they CHOSE to come here, we didn't FORCE them to. The celebrate their festivals, we celebrate ours. What's the problem?
Political Correctness gone mad, that's the problem.
Anyway, I've written gibberish long enough. Congratulations if you got to the end without skipping the middle out...
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Your Honour wrote:
Is it just me, or is there something wrong with that. In my country I can't even fly my own flag without being regarded as racist? Something is VERY wrong with that picture.
Indeed there is something very wrong with that picture, It would be good to think that maybe some of the patriotism that has been evident this last week could spill out into everyday life but I dont think it will happen.
If we say "Come on show the flag - have pride" we would be accused of being racist for no reason apart from the fact that we are proud to fly our flag - Madness. If we all stuck flags on our cars like they do in the states then we'd probably have bricks thrown through the windows - It's just all madness but what can we do about it ??
Is it just me, or is there something wrong with that. In my country I can't even fly my own flag without being regarded as racist? Something is VERY wrong with that picture.
Indeed there is something very wrong with that picture, It would be good to think that maybe some of the patriotism that has been evident this last week could spill out into everyday life but I dont think it will happen.
If we say "Come on show the flag - have pride" we would be accused of being racist for no reason apart from the fact that we are proud to fly our flag - Madness. If we all stuck flags on our cars like they do in the states then we'd probably have bricks thrown through the windows - It's just all madness but what can we do about it ??
Small Frog wrote:
"People insulting other people, regardless of their country, is pointless, cruel and a waste of time. That's why nationalism is created by bigots - it's only used to degrade other people."
I think I may have missed something here.
How did you make the link between Nationalism and "insulting other people"? I really can't see what is wrong with being proud of where you're from.
But if I, being a 21 year old white English male, was to walk around wearing a t-shirt with the Union Jack on, then people would assume I'm racist.
Why is this?
Why is it wrong for me to display my flag, when the local pizza place can have the Italian national flag flying all day everyday out the front of the restaurant?
Is it just me, or is there something wrong with that. In my country I can't even fly my own flag without being regarded as racist? Something is VERY wrong with that picture.
"Oh - and you do seem a lot more open-minded than most people. Cheers."
No worries, and thanks for saying that. It's always nice to have a good discussion.
"People insulting other people, regardless of their country, is pointless, cruel and a waste of time. That's why nationalism is created by bigots - it's only used to degrade other people."
I think I may have missed something here.
How did you make the link between Nationalism and "insulting other people"? I really can't see what is wrong with being proud of where you're from.
But if I, being a 21 year old white English male, was to walk around wearing a t-shirt with the Union Jack on, then people would assume I'm racist.
Why is this?
Why is it wrong for me to display my flag, when the local pizza place can have the Italian national flag flying all day everyday out the front of the restaurant?
Is it just me, or is there something wrong with that. In my country I can't even fly my own flag without being regarded as racist? Something is VERY wrong with that picture.
"Oh - and you do seem a lot more open-minded than most people. Cheers."
No worries, and thanks for saying that. It's always nice to have a good discussion.
Your Honour wrote:
> "I can see no reason to be proud of England as a country"
Neither
> can I. Which is my point. People used to be proud to be English. Now we're not.
> Why?
"nationalism is a product created by bigots. Who cares where
> you're from - surely it's what you do that matters?"
That's rubbish,
> in my view.
Wouldn't you be annoyed if all the other countries thought that
> England was crap and all the English are useless? I would. That would p!ss me
> off big time.
>What are your reasons for not caring?
If other countries thought England was crap, I wouldn't care firstly because I'm Welsh, living in Dorset and sick to death of people making jokes about my nationality and certain wooly farm animals.
If someone said all the Welsh were useless and crap, I honestly wouldn't care. This is because I don't know most of the other people living in the country - they might all be assh*les. Obviously, if someone insulted me personally, or mocked me using my nationality as a basis for an insult, it would matter to me. But then, they're not insulting my country; they're using my country to insult me.
Nationalism is a competition. In my view anyway - I'm sorry if you disagree. When does a nation matter? In a war, in sport and in racism. I can't stand football - mainly because of the social stigma attached to liking an obscure group. If you make your feelings known, you are mocked. By bigots.
People insulting other people, regardless of their country, is pointless, cruel and a waste of time. That's why nationalism is created by bigots - it's only used to degrade other people.
Oh - and you do seem a lot more open-minded than most people. Cheers.
> "I can see no reason to be proud of England as a country"
Neither
> can I. Which is my point. People used to be proud to be English. Now we're not.
> Why?
"nationalism is a product created by bigots. Who cares where
> you're from - surely it's what you do that matters?"
That's rubbish,
> in my view.
Wouldn't you be annoyed if all the other countries thought that
> England was crap and all the English are useless? I would. That would p!ss me
> off big time.
>What are your reasons for not caring?
If other countries thought England was crap, I wouldn't care firstly because I'm Welsh, living in Dorset and sick to death of people making jokes about my nationality and certain wooly farm animals.
If someone said all the Welsh were useless and crap, I honestly wouldn't care. This is because I don't know most of the other people living in the country - they might all be assh*les. Obviously, if someone insulted me personally, or mocked me using my nationality as a basis for an insult, it would matter to me. But then, they're not insulting my country; they're using my country to insult me.
Nationalism is a competition. In my view anyway - I'm sorry if you disagree. When does a nation matter? In a war, in sport and in racism. I can't stand football - mainly because of the social stigma attached to liking an obscure group. If you make your feelings known, you are mocked. By bigots.
People insulting other people, regardless of their country, is pointless, cruel and a waste of time. That's why nationalism is created by bigots - it's only used to degrade other people.
Oh - and you do seem a lot more open-minded than most people. Cheers.
Why thank you!
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Tequila Sunset wrote:
> Well i'll be flying my national flag out my window
> on St georges day...
Yeah, me too.
Good on you too Wookiee !!
> Tequila Sunset wrote:
> Well i'll be flying my national flag out my window
> on St georges day...
Yeah, me too.
Good on you too Wookiee !!
Tequila Sunset wrote:
> Well i'll be flying my national flag out my window on St georges day...
Yeah, me too.
> Well i'll be flying my national flag out my window on St georges day...
Yeah, me too.
Good on you !
Well i'll be flying my national flag out my window on St georges day...
Fly the dragon with pride !
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