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In my view patriotism is being proud of the country you live in.
Am I proud of being English? In a word, not really. The only thing that's happened in my life time that made be proud to be English was when we beat Germany 5-1 in the football last year.
That's it.
Nothing else in my life, since April 21st 1981, has made me proud to be English.
Lot's of things have made me ashamed to be English. Mainly when English people go abroad and cause trouble, slurring our reputation.
I should be proud to be English. Our country has a great history.
But that's it. History. It's past, not now. Not any more. For how long can we rely on things years past to be proud of? For how long can we say "Yeah, but we had the Empire." Had. Not any more.
What are we good at on a global level? Music? Sport? Athletics? Films? Books? Is there any apsect of life where we are acknowledged as being the best?
Perhaps one. The ceremony for the Queen Mum. We're good at pagentry (if that's the right word for it), we're good at pomp and ceremony.
Why is this? Why are we crap at most sports, and face it, we are.
Ok, we're getting better at football, and we're ok-ish at rugby. But that's it. In the US athletes have sponsorship. They don't have to work, they can spend time training.
Over here? Redgrave and Pinsent had to work full time while training for the olympics the other year. This is wrong. Why were they not given sponsorship to help them achieve their best?
Why do we not have academies and things for young people who have an obvious talent, to help them get the most out of that talent?
Not just in sport, but in other things. Music, films, books, art... all the creative things.
I keep mentioning sport but it happens in all aspects of life. Even in politics, we're seen as being America's lapdog.
We do what Europe tells us to do, even on THE most ridiculous things.
Why? We're our own country. We should do what we want to do. Why listen to people in Brussels, who we haven't voted in, to tell us what to do? That's not democracy. Being told what to do by unelected people is not democracy at all. It's a farce.
Result:
I'm am NOT proud to be English at all. Being English sucks.
I want to see our national teams do well, I want to see us do our own thing.
Yes, being in Europe would be good for some things. And we should embrace those things, but we should ignore the crap that seems to come with it.
What's the saying? When in Rome do as the Romans? How about this one: "When in England do as the English"?
The other year Birmingham City Council decided to re-name Christmas to "Winter Festival" or some crap name like that. Why?
To accomodate racial minorities in the city who don't celebrate christmas. They don't celebrate christmas, that's fine with me. But we bloody well do. Why should we change to accomodate them?
I'm not racist at all. But they CHOSE to come here, we didn't FORCE them to. The celebrate their festivals, we celebrate ours. What's the problem?
Political Correctness gone mad, that's the problem.
Anyway, I've written gibberish long enough. Congratulations if you got to the end without skipping the middle out...
Am I proud of being English? In a word, not really. The only thing that's happened in my life time that made be proud to be English was when we beat Germany 5-1 in the football last year.
That's it.
Nothing else in my life, since April 21st 1981, has made me proud to be English.
Lot's of things have made me ashamed to be English. Mainly when English people go abroad and cause trouble, slurring our reputation.
I should be proud to be English. Our country has a great history.
But that's it. History. It's past, not now. Not any more. For how long can we rely on things years past to be proud of? For how long can we say "Yeah, but we had the Empire." Had. Not any more.
What are we good at on a global level? Music? Sport? Athletics? Films? Books? Is there any apsect of life where we are acknowledged as being the best?
Perhaps one. The ceremony for the Queen Mum. We're good at pagentry (if that's the right word for it), we're good at pomp and ceremony.
Why is this? Why are we crap at most sports, and face it, we are.
Ok, we're getting better at football, and we're ok-ish at rugby. But that's it. In the US athletes have sponsorship. They don't have to work, they can spend time training.
Over here? Redgrave and Pinsent had to work full time while training for the olympics the other year. This is wrong. Why were they not given sponsorship to help them achieve their best?
Why do we not have academies and things for young people who have an obvious talent, to help them get the most out of that talent?
Not just in sport, but in other things. Music, films, books, art... all the creative things.
I keep mentioning sport but it happens in all aspects of life. Even in politics, we're seen as being America's lapdog.
We do what Europe tells us to do, even on THE most ridiculous things.
Why? We're our own country. We should do what we want to do. Why listen to people in Brussels, who we haven't voted in, to tell us what to do? That's not democracy. Being told what to do by unelected people is not democracy at all. It's a farce.
Result:
I'm am NOT proud to be English at all. Being English sucks.
I want to see our national teams do well, I want to see us do our own thing.
Yes, being in Europe would be good for some things. And we should embrace those things, but we should ignore the crap that seems to come with it.
What's the saying? When in Rome do as the Romans? How about this one: "When in England do as the English"?
The other year Birmingham City Council decided to re-name Christmas to "Winter Festival" or some crap name like that. Why?
To accomodate racial minorities in the city who don't celebrate christmas. They don't celebrate christmas, that's fine with me. But we bloody well do. Why should we change to accomodate them?
I'm not racist at all. But they CHOSE to come here, we didn't FORCE them to. The celebrate their festivals, we celebrate ours. What's the problem?
Political Correctness gone mad, that's the problem.
Anyway, I've written gibberish long enough. Congratulations if you got to the end without skipping the middle out...
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Somewhere I read that there was £40,000 up for grabs for anyone wanting to organise a St Georges day in London...
nh wrote:
> Because the idiots that run
> this country think that tolerance means allowing others to do as they wish
> without putting enough importance on our own cultural background and heritage.
The words "nail", "head" and "hit" spring to mind...
> Because the idiots that run
> this country think that tolerance means allowing others to do as they wish
> without putting enough importance on our own cultural background and heritage.
The words "nail", "head" and "hit" spring to mind...
Seinfeld_Enthusiast wrote:
So why can't people celebrate two countries/races/festivals/etc at the same time?
Because the idiots that run this country think that tolerance means allowing others to do as they wish without putting enough importance on our own cultural background and heritage.
So why can't people celebrate two countries/races/festivals/etc at the same time?
Because the idiots that run this country think that tolerance means allowing others to do as they wish without putting enough importance on our own cultural background and heritage.
You ignorant sexist yob! Only joking, I agree with your point about the flag thing, because in countries such as the US where everyone that isn't a Red Indian is an immigrant- the whole country is a melting pot- little Mazmud would integrate happily into the American way of life and appreciate where he's from, but also value the country they're in at the time. So why can't people celebrate two countries/races/festivals/etc at the same time?
wow people agreed with me for a change.
anyway i hope everyone will fly the English flag on st georges day as i know i will.
One thing i envy about America is apart from being good at almost every sport and then nicking other countries boring sports and making them exciting e.g netball - basketball. It's the fierce patriot attitude they have of their country.
I believe i'm right in saying that either every week or every day schoolchildren in America salute the american flag and sing their anthem. Now why can't we do that? Oops i forgot it will offend little Mazmud from outer kajikislavistan or some other country. Forget out of the class of 30 only little mazmud is the only foreigner in the class while the rest are english born and bred can't be offended him no siree.
But what the political correct imbeciles fail to realise in trying to protect these people from prejudice and hatred and trying to get them to fit in is they are doing exactly this by saying we can't fly our flag. This stirs up hatred towards these foreigners who come to live here and about 95% of them are here because they see England as a good place to start a new life and have the chance to work and escape oppression.
Little Mazmud wants to fit in with his new school pals and play with them. However he can't due to all the meddling and self rightous laws all these PC idiots have come up with. By trying to get Mazmud to fit in into this country all they've acheived is to make him a bigger outcast.
Oh by the way i'm a straight, patriotic English/American, young male who wants to see equal rights be just that, EQUAL so get in a orderly queue to call me a ignorant, sexist, racist yob.
anyway i hope everyone will fly the English flag on st georges day as i know i will.
One thing i envy about America is apart from being good at almost every sport and then nicking other countries boring sports and making them exciting e.g netball - basketball. It's the fierce patriot attitude they have of their country.
I believe i'm right in saying that either every week or every day schoolchildren in America salute the american flag and sing their anthem. Now why can't we do that? Oops i forgot it will offend little Mazmud from outer kajikislavistan or some other country. Forget out of the class of 30 only little mazmud is the only foreigner in the class while the rest are english born and bred can't be offended him no siree.
But what the political correct imbeciles fail to realise in trying to protect these people from prejudice and hatred and trying to get them to fit in is they are doing exactly this by saying we can't fly our flag. This stirs up hatred towards these foreigners who come to live here and about 95% of them are here because they see England as a good place to start a new life and have the chance to work and escape oppression.
Little Mazmud wants to fit in with his new school pals and play with them. However he can't due to all the meddling and self rightous laws all these PC idiots have come up with. By trying to get Mazmud to fit in into this country all they've acheived is to make him a bigger outcast.
Oh by the way i'm a straight, patriotic English/American, young male who wants to see equal rights be just that, EQUAL so get in a orderly queue to call me a ignorant, sexist, racist yob.
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
If any of you patriots are interested, Burton
> Menswear actually do a nice shirt - it the Union Jack, but in black and light
> grey. I have one, of course. :-)
but I want the good ol' red cross on a white background, time for T-Shirt iron-on printing kit methinks :)
Lets see how long I last before I get assailed by crazed anti-erm flag wearing people...
If any of you patriots are interested, Burton
> Menswear actually do a nice shirt - it the Union Jack, but in black and light
> grey. I have one, of course. :-)
but I want the good ol' red cross on a white background, time for T-Shirt iron-on printing kit methinks :)
Lets see how long I last before I get assailed by crazed anti-erm flag wearing people...
Oh yeah, the most proudest moment of my life was that 5:1 hammering of Germany.
I remember when that happened, I was in an english bar in the german bit of Majorca, oh the irony :D
I remember when that happened, I was in an english bar in the german bit of Majorca, oh the irony :D
The only reason americans think their 'No.1' is because they think that thay seem to be winning everything.
That's because American TV stations are so bigheaded/ignorantto say ''Team America slowly slumpedto an embarassing defeat'
Like that would ever happen.
BAH at America.
and BAHat my keyboard's broken space bar!
That's because American TV stations are so bigheaded/ignorantto say ''Team America slowly slumpedto an embarassing defeat'
Like that would ever happen.
BAH at America.
and BAHat my keyboard's broken space bar!
Yeah I did read that Wookster. It's what gave me the idea :-D
's true though. Especially the bit about the pizza place hanging the Italian flag out all day. I may go and complain to them, say it's racist, and see how far it gets me...
:-D
's true though. Especially the bit about the pizza place hanging the Italian flag out all day. I may go and complain to them, say it's racist, and see how far it gets me...
:-D
Your Honour wrote:
> But if I, being a 21 year old white English male, was to
> walk around wearing a t-shirt with the Union Jack on,
> then people would assume I'm racist.
Yup. Don't know if yousaw my earlier post, but it happened to me.
Didn't stop me wearing the T-shirt though. In fact, it made me more determined to wear it.
If any of you patriots are interested, Burton Menswear actually do a nice shirt - it the Union Jack, but in black and light grey. I have one, of course. :-)
> But if I, being a 21 year old white English male, was to
> walk around wearing a t-shirt with the Union Jack on,
> then people would assume I'm racist.
Yup. Don't know if yousaw my earlier post, but it happened to me.
Didn't stop me wearing the T-shirt though. In fact, it made me more determined to wear it.
If any of you patriots are interested, Burton Menswear actually do a nice shirt - it the Union Jack, but in black and light grey. I have one, of course. :-)
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