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Ok, I'm interested. Lets have a look at the kind of websites you've all designed. Perhaps post 2 or 3 of the ones your most proud of.
My 3 are...
www.andi.tk
www.l2productions.co.uk
www.lewq.2y.net/andi/iroko
The last one, IROKO, is still under construction, but i like the design of it and its different from my others.
So, post away, increase your hit counts and lets get some constructive critacism (sp?) going.
My 3 are...
www.andi.tk
www.l2productions.co.uk
www.lewq.2y.net/andi/iroko
The last one, IROKO, is still under construction, but i like the design of it and its different from my others.
So, post away, increase your hit counts and lets get some constructive critacism (sp?) going.
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funkygamer wrote:
> Now you've done it Gar-J, Turbonutter is not a man to be taken lightly, just
> don't try and tell hime that MS produce good operating systems!
I wouldn't try that mate! :o)
At the end of the day I only come on here to write about the truth, to expose bull-sh!tters and to rid the free world from hideous web design!!
> Now you've done it Gar-J, Turbonutter is not a man to be taken lightly, just
> don't try and tell hime that MS produce good operating systems!
I wouldn't try that mate! :o)
At the end of the day I only come on here to write about the truth, to expose bull-sh!tters and to rid the free world from hideous web design!!
Turbonutter wrote:
> Gar-j - I'm not going to waste my precious minutes here replying to your drivel.
> Wait until I get on British soil (and penguin power) before I reply to every
> single faeces/post you have excreted. Can't wait!
Ah, Turbow@nker has reached the denial and anger stage... how long now until he sees the light at the end of the tunnel?
> Gar-j - I'm not going to waste my precious minutes here replying to your drivel.
> Wait until I get on British soil (and penguin power) before I reply to every
> single faeces/post you have excreted. Can't wait!
Ah, Turbow@nker has reached the denial and anger stage... how long now until he sees the light at the end of the tunnel?
Fogmaster wrote:
> yeah, I can see most of it's in good taste, but these Newbies are aright just
> because they're new doesn't mean anything :p
I can see some of your comments
> leaving them in a crippled state, giving them complexes setting them back a few
> years :p
Sorry mate I didn't mean to burst their comfortable, warm and cuddly bubble of twisted reality, where their work has been designed before being implemented.
There are some institutes that will be able to help these people recover when they join the rest of us in the real world, as I'm sure they will land with a very unhealthy thud.
If I am bringing anyone to depression by pointing out these facts I apologise. I actually feel guilty now because these people have probably been living happily for the last few years, slowly convincing themselves that they're good designers and that their work is fantastic. I am just as unable to design myself (see? I admit it) as I am to predict the consequences of hitting these people with the truth so hard. I suppose it's like waking up a sleep-walker.
I will watch this post closely as hopefully the first signs of denial, anger and dismissal appear... or have they already??
:oP
> yeah, I can see most of it's in good taste, but these Newbies are aright just
> because they're new doesn't mean anything :p
I can see some of your comments
> leaving them in a crippled state, giving them complexes setting them back a few
> years :p
Sorry mate I didn't mean to burst their comfortable, warm and cuddly bubble of twisted reality, where their work has been designed before being implemented.
There are some institutes that will be able to help these people recover when they join the rest of us in the real world, as I'm sure they will land with a very unhealthy thud.
If I am bringing anyone to depression by pointing out these facts I apologise. I actually feel guilty now because these people have probably been living happily for the last few years, slowly convincing themselves that they're good designers and that their work is fantastic. I am just as unable to design myself (see? I admit it) as I am to predict the consequences of hitting these people with the truth so hard. I suppose it's like waking up a sleep-walker.
I will watch this post closely as hopefully the first signs of denial, anger and dismissal appear... or have they already??
:oP
Fogmaster wrote:
> nasty, and answering back is cool? newbie or not, stop acting like girls.
Tyla
> had some useful info, just because you don't like critisism on your hard work,
> doesn't mean it's bad if one person had some 'unwelcome' views on it, and yes,
> if someones getting paid for a job and your not, usually does make them
> better.
Also, these forums arn't yours. Just because hardly anyone posts here
> leaving with you nothing better to dothan rant, doesn't mean you shoudl do it,
> it's just as boring as the nonsense some newbies post.
Ahahaha yes!! I do believe I owe this person a drink!!!
Thank God there are other people on here that don't just w@nk over their non-designed work all day!!
Fogmaster == elite.
> nasty, and answering back is cool? newbie or not, stop acting like girls.
Tyla
> had some useful info, just because you don't like critisism on your hard work,
> doesn't mean it's bad if one person had some 'unwelcome' views on it, and yes,
> if someones getting paid for a job and your not, usually does make them
> better.
Also, these forums arn't yours. Just because hardly anyone posts here
> leaving with you nothing better to dothan rant, doesn't mean you shoudl do it,
> it's just as boring as the nonsense some newbies post.
Ahahaha yes!! I do believe I owe this person a drink!!!
Thank God there are other people on here that don't just w@nk over their non-designed work all day!!
Fogmaster == elite.
Missed this thread up until now, but I can't resist replying so sorry if I repeat any points others have made.
Gar-J wrote:
I'm sure
> your work is very professional and very nice, but unless you have had training
> or done extensive research into this, I cannot see how anyone can call
> themselves a web designer. I'm a programmer. I program Delphi, Java, Javascript,
> Pearl and C++. However, although I'm very capable of programming some nice
> effects for a website, and I know how to use Fireworks, Dreamweaver and Flash, I
> don't say I'm a web designer because I am not one. I have neither the experience
> nor the qualifications.
This is incredibly pedantic, basically you're complaining over the wording people are using to describe themselves. What would you like people to call themselves? HTML tag arrangers? Or can they call themselves anything other than a phrase that might be used as a job title? Honestly I don't think the vast majority care at all what they are called, its a just a convenient phrase to describe what they like to do in their spare time. And those that do it as a job describe themselves as professionals. And no that doesn't mean their work is magically better than those that do it for fun, it means they do it and get paid. As far as I'm concerned, anybody raising complaints is just having an ego problem. You know maybe somebody fresh out of college, in their first job, and feeling really self important at the moment.....hope that doesn't apply to, Mr. Gar-J. :)
If you want to have a debate about design, thats fine, start a new thread about it, come up with bad examples even people's sites here, pretty certain they won't mind especially if you can manage more than "this site proves you're not a web designer". Sadly you left people nothing to debate about. You seemingly threw in a few buzz words without any qualification so its easy to doubt you even have a clue what you're talking about.
Finally, you called yourself a programmer...
Well...I'm sorry I cannot accept you as a programmer, until you have a degree from a well respected university and have at least 10 years experience in development. And you certainly can't consider yourself a java programmer until you are Sun certified. I hope you meet the criteria so I can greet a fellow programmer. For now I'll just consider you a dabbler in things you don't really understand.
See, I can be pendantic about words too, I can be "annoyed" at you for having the nerve to consider yourself a programmer because you don't meet my standards. Not that I'm saying you don't meet the criteria I specified, don't know you...
-Garin, programmer :)
Gar-J wrote:
I'm sure
> your work is very professional and very nice, but unless you have had training
> or done extensive research into this, I cannot see how anyone can call
> themselves a web designer. I'm a programmer. I program Delphi, Java, Javascript,
> Pearl and C++. However, although I'm very capable of programming some nice
> effects for a website, and I know how to use Fireworks, Dreamweaver and Flash, I
> don't say I'm a web designer because I am not one. I have neither the experience
> nor the qualifications.
This is incredibly pedantic, basically you're complaining over the wording people are using to describe themselves. What would you like people to call themselves? HTML tag arrangers? Or can they call themselves anything other than a phrase that might be used as a job title? Honestly I don't think the vast majority care at all what they are called, its a just a convenient phrase to describe what they like to do in their spare time. And those that do it as a job describe themselves as professionals. And no that doesn't mean their work is magically better than those that do it for fun, it means they do it and get paid. As far as I'm concerned, anybody raising complaints is just having an ego problem. You know maybe somebody fresh out of college, in their first job, and feeling really self important at the moment.....hope that doesn't apply to, Mr. Gar-J. :)
If you want to have a debate about design, thats fine, start a new thread about it, come up with bad examples even people's sites here, pretty certain they won't mind especially if you can manage more than "this site proves you're not a web designer". Sadly you left people nothing to debate about. You seemingly threw in a few buzz words without any qualification so its easy to doubt you even have a clue what you're talking about.
Finally, you called yourself a programmer...
Well...I'm sorry I cannot accept you as a programmer, until you have a degree from a well respected university and have at least 10 years experience in development. And you certainly can't consider yourself a java programmer until you are Sun certified. I hope you meet the criteria so I can greet a fellow programmer. For now I'll just consider you a dabbler in things you don't really understand.
See, I can be pendantic about words too, I can be "annoyed" at you for having the nerve to consider yourself a programmer because you don't meet my standards. Not that I'm saying you don't meet the criteria I specified, don't know you...
-Garin, programmer :)
Although it seems like pretty treacherous waters here, here are my two efforts...
http://www.the-quill.co.uk
http://www.cazbo.co.uk
Neither of them are particuarly good, and I'm definitly not a Web Designer, I just fancied having a go :)
http://www.the-quill.co.uk
http://www.cazbo.co.uk
Neither of them are particuarly good, and I'm definitly not a Web Designer, I just fancied having a go :)
Gar-j - I'm not going to waste my precious minutes here replying to your drivel. Wait until I get on British soil (and penguin power) before I reply to every single faeces/post you have excreted. Can't wait!
www.blahpro.com - it's a load of crap but i'm working on it. It's ok considering that i'm only 13...
Heeeeeee :o)
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