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Ok, I'm interested. Lets have a look at the kind of websites you've all designed. Perhaps post 2 or 3 of the ones your most proud of.
My 3 are...
www.andi.tk
www.l2productions.co.uk
www.lewq.2y.net/andi/iroko
The last one, IROKO, is still under construction, but i like the design of it and its different from my others.
So, post away, increase your hit counts and lets get some constructive critacism (sp?) going.
My 3 are...
www.andi.tk
www.l2productions.co.uk
www.lewq.2y.net/andi/iroko
The last one, IROKO, is still under construction, but i like the design of it and its different from my others.
So, post away, increase your hit counts and lets get some constructive critacism (sp?) going.
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Gar-J wrote:
> It's like... my initial post was just to highlight the
> importance of design basics, yet I'm slated for
> apparently insulting everyone.
We try to make constructive comments, not just laugh because a design isn't as professional as the ones you are used to dealing with. If you think the design is crap, at least qualify your argument with examples or instances where the sites could be improved.
> I know a lot of people here are still learning, and I
> have already allowed for this where I mentioned something
> called 'experience'.
Aren't we all always learning anyway? I've been in 'the business' for nearly 5 years, but I'm always amazed with the new stuff that comes out.
> I didn't come on here to start any arguments,
hehe, but you did! ;)
> but I'm not going to be told to get lost and shoot myself
> because I came on here and started (or intended to) a
> debate about basic web design skills.
You have a point there, I think if you are new to this forum you should at least be given a better welcome than that, but I have to say you kind of brought it on yourself by being a overly negative with your comments.
> And if you are really interested in seeing some work, I
> have some. It's on private webspace and isn't supposed to
> go live or be seen by the public in general, so I don't
> know if I should put the URL here.
Go on, show us.... I think a few people would be interested...
> It's like... my initial post was just to highlight the
> importance of design basics, yet I'm slated for
> apparently insulting everyone.
We try to make constructive comments, not just laugh because a design isn't as professional as the ones you are used to dealing with. If you think the design is crap, at least qualify your argument with examples or instances where the sites could be improved.
> I know a lot of people here are still learning, and I
> have already allowed for this where I mentioned something
> called 'experience'.
Aren't we all always learning anyway? I've been in 'the business' for nearly 5 years, but I'm always amazed with the new stuff that comes out.
> I didn't come on here to start any arguments,
hehe, but you did! ;)
> but I'm not going to be told to get lost and shoot myself
> because I came on here and started (or intended to) a
> debate about basic web design skills.
You have a point there, I think if you are new to this forum you should at least be given a better welcome than that, but I have to say you kind of brought it on yourself by being a overly negative with your comments.
> And if you are really interested in seeing some work, I
> have some. It's on private webspace and isn't supposed to
> go live or be seen by the public in general, so I don't
> know if I should put the URL here.
Go on, show us.... I think a few people would be interested...
funkygamer wrote:
> Gar-J wrote:
> I am saying - that web design is harder than it looks.
It
> is, isn't it? But not quite so hard, it seems, as having a mature discussion.
I'm managing it quite fine thanks, but with a forum full of kids that can't take criticism difficulties arise.
> Gar-J wrote:
> I am saying - that web design is harder than it looks.
It
> is, isn't it? But not quite so hard, it seems, as having a mature discussion.
I'm managing it quite fine thanks, but with a forum full of kids that can't take criticism difficulties arise.
Ok at least now I'm getting a debate rather than just being told to get lost.
I didn't come on here to have a go about people's work, but as you said yourself - developers are nutorious as bad web designers. I didn't say it - you did, so I don't expect to be slated for that. As Whooo has said himself, he codes a lot of his own stuff, which by the law of averages would lead you to believe his design skills are going to be hampered here.
It's like... my initial post was just to highlight the importance of design basics, yet I'm slated for apparently insulting everyone.
I know a lot of people here are still learning, and I have already allowed for this where I mentioned something called 'experience'. Anyone remember me saying that? Experience is when you have been doing something for a period of time, and are learning from it. So, if I said it's great for people to build up experience, what did you think I meant? Because now you're telling me that you're only learning... which seems to be the same thing.
I didn't come on here to start any arguments, but I'm not going to be told to get lost and shoot myself because I came on here and started (or intended to) a debate about basic web design skills.
And if you are really interested in seeing some work, I have some. It's on private webspace and isn't supposed to go live or be seen by the public in general, so I don't know if I should put the URL here.
You really want to see it?
I didn't come on here to have a go about people's work, but as you said yourself - developers are nutorious as bad web designers. I didn't say it - you did, so I don't expect to be slated for that. As Whooo has said himself, he codes a lot of his own stuff, which by the law of averages would lead you to believe his design skills are going to be hampered here.
It's like... my initial post was just to highlight the importance of design basics, yet I'm slated for apparently insulting everyone.
I know a lot of people here are still learning, and I have already allowed for this where I mentioned something called 'experience'. Anyone remember me saying that? Experience is when you have been doing something for a period of time, and are learning from it. So, if I said it's great for people to build up experience, what did you think I meant? Because now you're telling me that you're only learning... which seems to be the same thing.
I didn't come on here to start any arguments, but I'm not going to be told to get lost and shoot myself because I came on here and started (or intended to) a debate about basic web design skills.
And if you are really interested in seeing some work, I have some. It's on private webspace and isn't supposed to go live or be seen by the public in general, so I don't know if I should put the URL here.
You really want to see it?
I’m quite intrigued, what are these basics that you speak of?
You’re saying that most of the sites don’t look pro what people have created on here, but you’re struggling to realise that not everyone in this forum is a pro web designer. I can think of three, maybe four which I class as a pro. I’m not a pro web designer, but I like to think of me as a web designer. I don’t see myself as pro because I’m only 16. I’m still learning, and so are many others that come on this board. If you were to look at the topics, you would see how many people are asking for help.
I don’t make sites to make them look professional; I make them to suit my own personal taste. If somebody else doesn’t like it, I’m not really bothered because I know that I’m still learning.
You’re saying that most of the sites don’t look pro what people have created on here, but you’re struggling to realise that not everyone in this forum is a pro web designer. I can think of three, maybe four which I class as a pro. I’m not a pro web designer, but I like to think of me as a web designer. I don’t see myself as pro because I’m only 16. I’m still learning, and so are many others that come on this board. If you were to look at the topics, you would see how many people are asking for help.
I don’t make sites to make them look professional; I make them to suit my own personal taste. If somebody else doesn’t like it, I’m not really bothered because I know that I’m still learning.
Gar-J wrote:
> Web designers. Ahahaha you make me laugh.
For a man who has not the bravery to show us some of his own work, you seem to take great pleasure in tearing strips off everybody elses'. You might be a developer, sure, but what have you worked on that makes you so great? How would your code stand up to the scrutiny of another developer?
Sure, qualifications count for something, and these guys might not have any, but they are at least trying, which is more than it appears you have done. My first web site was dire, I freely admit it, but it only gets better from there, because the more sites you create, the more you learn about navigation, communication, fonts, white space, all of that, but unless you have the guts to build your first site, you won't get better.
As for using Frontpage, well, some people, (and yes, even their parents) cannot afford to buy industrial stength development tools like the ones you use at work, they are expensive, however, Frontpage comes with Office, so it is understandable that many people just stick with it, it may not be a great tool, but it is good enough to learn the basics from.
Your attitude, Gar-J, seems to be that the guys in this forum shouldn't even try, that is so wrong. I salute them for trying, because they, at least, have taken the time and effort to create something, and have the balls to showcase some of thier work here, they are trying to learn, I'm not sure what you are trying to do Gar-J.
Nobody is perfect, but that doesn't mean that we should all give up... Developers make notoriously bad designers, but that does not mean that you should not try to design a site, Gar-J.
> Web designers. Ahahaha you make me laugh.
For a man who has not the bravery to show us some of his own work, you seem to take great pleasure in tearing strips off everybody elses'. You might be a developer, sure, but what have you worked on that makes you so great? How would your code stand up to the scrutiny of another developer?
Sure, qualifications count for something, and these guys might not have any, but they are at least trying, which is more than it appears you have done. My first web site was dire, I freely admit it, but it only gets better from there, because the more sites you create, the more you learn about navigation, communication, fonts, white space, all of that, but unless you have the guts to build your first site, you won't get better.
As for using Frontpage, well, some people, (and yes, even their parents) cannot afford to buy industrial stength development tools like the ones you use at work, they are expensive, however, Frontpage comes with Office, so it is understandable that many people just stick with it, it may not be a great tool, but it is good enough to learn the basics from.
Your attitude, Gar-J, seems to be that the guys in this forum shouldn't even try, that is so wrong. I salute them for trying, because they, at least, have taken the time and effort to create something, and have the balls to showcase some of thier work here, they are trying to learn, I'm not sure what you are trying to do Gar-J.
Nobody is perfect, but that doesn't mean that we should all give up... Developers make notoriously bad designers, but that does not mean that you should not try to design a site, Gar-J.
Hahah what a ponse. Don't tell me you can take criticism, because this WHOLE argument has come about because you CAN'T!!! Jesus I've met some THICK people in my time but you really take the biscuit.
I DID look at the URLs which is how I was able to say some were good. How did you think I said that? By using telepathy to see what the sites were like?
I said I knew it all? Actually, no. I said I am not a web designer and so do NOT know it all.
Here you are manipulating everything again, silly w@nker.
I already said several times that there's good work on here. Do you understand that this time?
I highlighted the importance of knowing the basics because SO MANY of the sites on here were written by people that obviously don't. I know some basics and I aren't even a web designer, so how can someone who doesn't know the claim to be?!
It doesn't matter - I give up trying to talk to you. You have the IQ of a dead parrot and so are completely unable to grasp what I am saying - that web design is harder than it looks.
And the only thing I'm gonna do with that gun is ram it up your fat @rse mate.
I DID look at the URLs which is how I was able to say some were good. How did you think I said that? By using telepathy to see what the sites were like?
I said I knew it all? Actually, no. I said I am not a web designer and so do NOT know it all.
Here you are manipulating everything again, silly w@nker.
I already said several times that there's good work on here. Do you understand that this time?
I highlighted the importance of knowing the basics because SO MANY of the sites on here were written by people that obviously don't. I know some basics and I aren't even a web designer, so how can someone who doesn't know the claim to be?!
It doesn't matter - I give up trying to talk to you. You have the IQ of a dead parrot and so are completely unable to grasp what I am saying - that web design is harder than it looks.
And the only thing I'm gonna do with that gun is ram it up your fat @rse mate.
Gar-J, here's a gun, use it well, shoot yourself.
Critiscism I dont mind, its very helpful. I post a URL for my designs and people look at them, and tell me honestly what they think. This is helpful, I take the ideas on board and try to improve the sites.
On the otherhand, we get get p****s, like you, who come in thinking they know it all. You came in and told everyone how we shouldnt call ourselves webdesigners because we were and just used Frontpage, yet you hadnt even looked at the sites, you even admitted that yourself. You also admit that you know absolutly nothing about Web Design, yet go one to explain to us how crap we are and how we dont know what we're talking about etc etc etc.
So please excuse me if I tire of this p, coming in and telling us how good they are and how we are, yet never actually consider that the other users might know what they're on about too.
If you excuse me, I have much better things to do then argue with 4 year olds, so kindly shut the door behind you.
On the otherhand, we get get p****s, like you, who come in thinking they know it all. You came in and told everyone how we shouldnt call ourselves webdesigners because we were and just used Frontpage, yet you hadnt even looked at the sites, you even admitted that yourself. You also admit that you know absolutly nothing about Web Design, yet go one to explain to us how crap we are and how we dont know what we're talking about etc etc etc.
So please excuse me if I tire of this p, coming in and telling us how good they are and how we are, yet never actually consider that the other users might know what they're on about too.
If you excuse me, I have much better things to do then argue with 4 year olds, so kindly shut the door behind you.
Web designers. Ahahaha you make me laugh.
The only decent one I saw here was the SR staff one with the Flash work. He also has a good portfolio.
Never mind. I'm sure Whooo will continue to provide us with some great entertainment when he gives us more URLs of his work - my mates and I had a great laugh thanks mate.
You got any work planned for the 19th of April? It's a friend's birthday and we were planning a stripper or maybe a comedian. We could save a fortune by just bringing your work up on some projectors for a few hours.
We'd also like a picture of you, and your age. I've got some bets on that you're under 12. Anyone else would be able to take on some constructive advice without wetting themselves.
Good luck with the forum... at least it's going to last longer than your web-designing career, Whooo.
The only decent one I saw here was the SR staff one with the Flash work. He also has a good portfolio.
Never mind. I'm sure Whooo will continue to provide us with some great entertainment when he gives us more URLs of his work - my mates and I had a great laugh thanks mate.
You got any work planned for the 19th of April? It's a friend's birthday and we were planning a stripper or maybe a comedian. We could save a fortune by just bringing your work up on some projectors for a few hours.
We'd also like a picture of you, and your age. I've got some bets on that you're under 12. Anyone else would be able to take on some constructive advice without wetting themselves.
Good luck with the forum... at least it's going to last longer than your web-designing career, Whooo.
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