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Finding out about a game that has been released in a couple of European Countries has brought me out from my enforced hiatus to post my feelings about this:
Usually I’m the first person to defend “freedom of choice” and will stand up for a game/movie like GTA3/State of Emergency by saying “It’s a game, it allows you to do things for fun with no consequence”.
Except I’ve become aware of a game that has me genuinely concerned as to who would play it and why.
“Hooligans – Storm Over Europe”. A PC game about football hooligans.
Now it’s not cartoony, it’s very realistic and real-world like in appearance. The aim of the game? According to the website:
The object is to become the most notorious group of Hooligans in Europe. You must kill, maim and destroy the opposing Hooligan teams. You muster and control your faithful troops by administering drugs, alcohol and of course a good dose of violence every now and then. They must become true followers of your faction, for better or worse.
Not only good strategic skills are required but also a good political mindset and managing capabilities to keep your troops happy and violent.
Whoever is victorious and catches the publics attention in the media, will end up the most notorious Hooligans in Europe and the world! A title that every Hooligan with his heart in the right place loves to fight for!
You get bonus points for “attacking civilians to increase your wanted rating and bonuses for targeting minority groups”.
If you go to the website, you are greeted with a nice black and red image of a skinhead glaring out at you.
The forums are filled with racial hatred and “Firms” organising meetings and the most viscious racial abuse directed at other countries.
Some of the avatars you can choose are swastikas and other nazi symbols.
Game Ltd have refused to carry this game, and HMV and Virgin are coming under serious complaint from watchdog groups for stocking it.
It’s also not being released in Germany or America and Trading Standards are investigating the game to see if it contravenes the “Incitement to Racial Hatred” act passed since Sept 11th.
In Germany, it is illegal to have games displaying any symbolism of fascist iconography, and it is also illegal to use Nazi ideology as a basis for entertainment – rightly so but the UK has no such restrictions, we rely on public decency and morals.
Now I know this is just a game and all that, but what makes me unhappy is the reasoning behind the game. It’s one thing to play an undercover/ex cop trying to bring down a crime syndicate (GTA3), but it’s another thing entirely when the idea of a game is to commit racial murder and acts of hooliganism for the sole purpose of “Being the number 1 firm in Europe”.
And if I had any doubt about the intention or morality behind this game, then a visit to the forums for this game (I wont give out the URL as I object to Nazi propaganda) will indicate just where the game developer’s feelings lay. Several moderators have joined in the boasts about “the good old days” and making continued racial slurs and abuse towards people.
A game is a game, I understand that. And I’m not suggesting that by playing this game you will instantly become a nazi thug.
But seeing as we are in the 21st century, and especially since Sept 11th, I find it abhorrent that somebody still thinks it’s a good idea to bring out a game that rewards murder and racial hatred as if it were a noble thing.
If there was a game to be released called “Auschwitz Death Camp 2002: The Revenge” then there would be international outcry and, hopefully, condemnation from the world. But having investigated this game as best I can and as best as I can tolerate, I can see no difference between this game and tattooing a swastika on your head and “bashing p***s” as one poster proudly boasted.
The main game that caused contention last time was “GTA3”, but that had a strict moral guideline in it.
You could attack pedestrians if you wanted to, but you were working to bring down a criminal organisation. The wholesale slaughter was just there if you felt inclined to do so, and you would be arrested or shot after a few moments mayhem. You were working towards a goal that was pro-legal, you fought gangs etc to bring order and calm to Liberty City.
However, Hooligans exists solely to murder and cause violence for the sake of it.
You could say the same about State of Emergency, but they use the “Globol Corps” plot and you get penalised for attacking civilians, and if you look, all of your opponents are faceless white-people, there is no mission that involves attacking minority groups.
I’m not going to demand that Hooligans be banned, or that stores shouldn’t stock this game, I stand by personal choice and, unfortunately, that extends to allowing right-wing Nazis their say as well.
But I am extremely offended and unhappy about the notion that a game exists that promotes and actively encourages murderous, racist, thuggish behaviour for the sake of it.
The reward in commanding loyalty and devotions amongst your skinhead followers suggests that the feelings and emotions of the games developers involved in this game are not being ironic or making a comment about society.
This is bigoted, Nazi behaviour under the banner of “entertainment” and that is what I object to, not the game, but the ideology behind it.
Usually I’m the first person to defend “freedom of choice” and will stand up for a game/movie like GTA3/State of Emergency by saying “It’s a game, it allows you to do things for fun with no consequence”.
Except I’ve become aware of a game that has me genuinely concerned as to who would play it and why.
“Hooligans – Storm Over Europe”. A PC game about football hooligans.
Now it’s not cartoony, it’s very realistic and real-world like in appearance. The aim of the game? According to the website:
The object is to become the most notorious group of Hooligans in Europe. You must kill, maim and destroy the opposing Hooligan teams. You muster and control your faithful troops by administering drugs, alcohol and of course a good dose of violence every now and then. They must become true followers of your faction, for better or worse.
Not only good strategic skills are required but also a good political mindset and managing capabilities to keep your troops happy and violent.
Whoever is victorious and catches the publics attention in the media, will end up the most notorious Hooligans in Europe and the world! A title that every Hooligan with his heart in the right place loves to fight for!
You get bonus points for “attacking civilians to increase your wanted rating and bonuses for targeting minority groups”.
If you go to the website, you are greeted with a nice black and red image of a skinhead glaring out at you.
The forums are filled with racial hatred and “Firms” organising meetings and the most viscious racial abuse directed at other countries.
Some of the avatars you can choose are swastikas and other nazi symbols.
Game Ltd have refused to carry this game, and HMV and Virgin are coming under serious complaint from watchdog groups for stocking it.
It’s also not being released in Germany or America and Trading Standards are investigating the game to see if it contravenes the “Incitement to Racial Hatred” act passed since Sept 11th.
In Germany, it is illegal to have games displaying any symbolism of fascist iconography, and it is also illegal to use Nazi ideology as a basis for entertainment – rightly so but the UK has no such restrictions, we rely on public decency and morals.
Now I know this is just a game and all that, but what makes me unhappy is the reasoning behind the game. It’s one thing to play an undercover/ex cop trying to bring down a crime syndicate (GTA3), but it’s another thing entirely when the idea of a game is to commit racial murder and acts of hooliganism for the sole purpose of “Being the number 1 firm in Europe”.
And if I had any doubt about the intention or morality behind this game, then a visit to the forums for this game (I wont give out the URL as I object to Nazi propaganda) will indicate just where the game developer’s feelings lay. Several moderators have joined in the boasts about “the good old days” and making continued racial slurs and abuse towards people.
A game is a game, I understand that. And I’m not suggesting that by playing this game you will instantly become a nazi thug.
But seeing as we are in the 21st century, and especially since Sept 11th, I find it abhorrent that somebody still thinks it’s a good idea to bring out a game that rewards murder and racial hatred as if it were a noble thing.
If there was a game to be released called “Auschwitz Death Camp 2002: The Revenge” then there would be international outcry and, hopefully, condemnation from the world. But having investigated this game as best I can and as best as I can tolerate, I can see no difference between this game and tattooing a swastika on your head and “bashing p***s” as one poster proudly boasted.
The main game that caused contention last time was “GTA3”, but that had a strict moral guideline in it.
You could attack pedestrians if you wanted to, but you were working to bring down a criminal organisation. The wholesale slaughter was just there if you felt inclined to do so, and you would be arrested or shot after a few moments mayhem. You were working towards a goal that was pro-legal, you fought gangs etc to bring order and calm to Liberty City.
However, Hooligans exists solely to murder and cause violence for the sake of it.
You could say the same about State of Emergency, but they use the “Globol Corps” plot and you get penalised for attacking civilians, and if you look, all of your opponents are faceless white-people, there is no mission that involves attacking minority groups.
I’m not going to demand that Hooligans be banned, or that stores shouldn’t stock this game, I stand by personal choice and, unfortunately, that extends to allowing right-wing Nazis their say as well.
But I am extremely offended and unhappy about the notion that a game exists that promotes and actively encourages murderous, racist, thuggish behaviour for the sake of it.
The reward in commanding loyalty and devotions amongst your skinhead followers suggests that the feelings and emotions of the games developers involved in this game are not being ironic or making a comment about society.
This is bigoted, Nazi behaviour under the banner of “entertainment” and that is what I object to, not the game, but the ideology behind it.
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Brilliantly put, Goatboy. I don't think anyone who's read Primo Levi could ever think of anything other than opposing fascism with everything they've got. You don't divide, you don't equivocate when you're faced with something like this: this is what German liberals and socialists did, and the world suffered terribly. You have to hit fascism hard, and fast.
Racial hatred is not entertaining, it is not a subject for irony: it kills. Stephen Lawrence is dead. The police still haven't identified the burnt body of an asian teenager. This isn't funny. This is fascism. We can either condemn a game which contributes to making racial hatred acceptable, or we can say nothing and thereby defend it. My position is this: we do everything we can to stop it.
And to people who say they're old enough to make up their own minds, fine. You can buy it if you want. But not on the high-street. You can buy it off a skinhead standing in the gutter where this filth belongs.
Racial hatred is not entertaining, it is not a subject for irony: it kills. Stephen Lawrence is dead. The police still haven't identified the burnt body of an asian teenager. This isn't funny. This is fascism. We can either condemn a game which contributes to making racial hatred acceptable, or we can say nothing and thereby defend it. My position is this: we do everything we can to stop it.
And to people who say they're old enough to make up their own minds, fine. You can buy it if you want. But not on the high-street. You can buy it off a skinhead standing in the gutter where this filth belongs.
It's alright i don't mind people taking the mick in what is a jokey way. But Grix can't seem to understand my point but i can't be bothered to argue.
Jimmy Duck wrote:
Oh no, what a tear jerker.
Speaking of Jerkers. Is that what makes your eyes water?
(Your tagline).
Sorry, couldn't resist........ back to the topic
Oh no, what a tear jerker.
Speaking of Jerkers. Is that what makes your eyes water?
(Your tagline).
Sorry, couldn't resist........ back to the topic
Fogmaster wrote:
> There are quite a few games like this, but they're not quite as obvious,
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There are no other games that actively promote fascist ideas as the sole basis for gameplay, to glorify prejudice and reward race-hate crimes.
> There are quite a few games like this, but they're not quite as obvious,
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There are no other games that actively promote fascist ideas as the sole basis for gameplay, to glorify prejudice and reward race-hate crimes.
Fogmaster wrote:
Commandos.....
In games like this, you kill whoever is thrown at you (by the game) to kill. You don't pick out the races you don't like the look of and only attack them.
Yes, people may argue that just killing nazi's is wrong. I would leave this to personal opinion though because the game does not encourage hatred of germans or nazi's. It simply puts you in a situation where by you must kill to escape etc
The game would play exactly the same if you were a german trying to kill the Americans. Not the case with Hooligans, just put white people in the game and you quite literally cannot play the game.
Thats wrong in my honest opinion
Commandos.....
In games like this, you kill whoever is thrown at you (by the game) to kill. You don't pick out the races you don't like the look of and only attack them.
Yes, people may argue that just killing nazi's is wrong. I would leave this to personal opinion though because the game does not encourage hatred of germans or nazi's. It simply puts you in a situation where by you must kill to escape etc
The game would play exactly the same if you were a german trying to kill the Americans. Not the case with Hooligans, just put white people in the game and you quite literally cannot play the game.
Thats wrong in my honest opinion
Grix Thraves wrote:
> I'm not arguing with you, because I honestly can't see the point. All you'll do
> is quote someone elses mind again, and annoy me further. Insulting you is a good
> way to make you leave, which, to be fair, nobody would care if you did
> anyway.
No, sorry, we would care, because the forums would be a good sight
> better, and perhaps we wouldn't lose so many damn good posters because crap like
> you can't see that we all hate you.
Oh no, what a tear jerker.
> I'm not arguing with you, because I honestly can't see the point. All you'll do
> is quote someone elses mind again, and annoy me further. Insulting you is a good
> way to make you leave, which, to be fair, nobody would care if you did
> anyway.
No, sorry, we would care, because the forums would be a good sight
> better, and perhaps we wouldn't lose so many damn good posters because crap like
> you can't see that we all hate you.
Oh no, what a tear jerker.
Fogmaster wrote:
so no one can call it racist.
RTCW all you do is burn/shoot/stab Nazis (I
> think?) so why is it different? Nazis have some feelings, some Germans might be
> offended by these games, yet we find them perfectly ok because the lead
> character is an Ally and it's usually based around 40 or so years ago, racism is
> still racism, doesn't matter how old it is.
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There is a world of difference.
WW2 was about fighting fascism, because it is an evil.
Germans have RTCW, but any and all Nazi symbols have been removed.
Because Germany has seen the danger of allowing this sort of material to be readily available.
It's not racism in RTCW - it is about fighting Fascism, which should be condoned on every level possible.
so no one can call it racist.
RTCW all you do is burn/shoot/stab Nazis (I
> think?) so why is it different? Nazis have some feelings, some Germans might be
> offended by these games, yet we find them perfectly ok because the lead
> character is an Ally and it's usually based around 40 or so years ago, racism is
> still racism, doesn't matter how old it is.
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There is a world of difference.
WW2 was about fighting fascism, because it is an evil.
Germans have RTCW, but any and all Nazi symbols have been removed.
Because Germany has seen the danger of allowing this sort of material to be readily available.
It's not racism in RTCW - it is about fighting Fascism, which should be condoned on every level possible.
There are quite a few games like this, but they're not quite as obvious, what happened to Commandos, well theres no direct hatred towards the Nazis, but all you do through the game is destroy them, but the lead characters are French so it's obviously a good game, we won the war afterall, also no Black people in it, so no one can call it racist.
RTCW all you do is burn/shoot/stab Nazis (I think?) so why is it different? Nazis have some feelings, some Germans might be offended by these games, yet we find them perfectly ok because the lead character is an Ally and it's usually based around 40 or so years ago, racism is still racism, doesn't matter how old it is.
RTCW all you do is burn/shoot/stab Nazis (I think?) so why is it different? Nazis have some feelings, some Germans might be offended by these games, yet we find them perfectly ok because the lead character is an Ally and it's usually based around 40 or so years ago, racism is still racism, doesn't matter how old it is.
WòókieeMøn§??® wrote:
> But killing is killing, and surely it's wrong, regardless of race?
Yes its wrong in real life and possibly should not be 'encouraged' in a computer games. However, I do think thats its a personal decision whether you play these games.
I know its a very weak arguement but I guess its just down to how strongly you feel about certain things. Its possibly even a borderline hypocritical arguement but I feel that anything with racism should be a strct 'no no'. If its violence then its personal.
Same with films, I will watch a violent film - doesn't make the violence right. I won't watch a film with decriminate racism in it (unless of course its something educational and making a genuine point; Schindler's (sp?) list for example).
Just the way I feel
> But killing is killing, and surely it's wrong, regardless of race?
Yes its wrong in real life and possibly should not be 'encouraged' in a computer games. However, I do think thats its a personal decision whether you play these games.
I know its a very weak arguement but I guess its just down to how strongly you feel about certain things. Its possibly even a borderline hypocritical arguement but I feel that anything with racism should be a strct 'no no'. If its violence then its personal.
Same with films, I will watch a violent film - doesn't make the violence right. I won't watch a film with decriminate racism in it (unless of course its something educational and making a genuine point; Schindler's (sp?) list for example).
Just the way I feel
Wookie, whilst I respect your opinions and all that, it really is just one thing in my points:
Fascism/Nazism as entertainment is wrong in every aspect.
You either condemn or support, there is no middle ground at all on this issue.
It boils down to do you accept this and let it go, or do you take a standpoint and say “I find this unacceptable”.
GTA3, Soldier of Fortune and all those other games. Yep, violent and yes you can apply whatever theories or personal prejudices to them.
However, what it boils down to is that this game is Nazi Propaganda.
And, in any society, that is totally unacceptable.
You cannot justify this game under any circumstances at all.
This isn't about gory games or suspicious attacking of civilians.
You have to reach a point where you say "This is unacceptable" and prevent the general release of such material. This isn’t about what morally I find reprehensible, this is about allowing Nazi glorification to be sold as entertainment.
Just as there would never ever be a game released on general sale that involved you snatching, raping and murdering a 4yr old boy.
Why not? Because there are certain issues and points that are utterly indefensible under any circumstance.
End of story.
This isn’t me saying “I find this revolting therefore it must be banned”, this is me saying that certain issues are totally off-limits as far as entertainment goes.
And Nazism is one of those.
You cannot lump GTA3 and a game that encourages, rewards and celebrates race hate killings, you just simply cannot.
GTA3 may be violent and may allow you to do dubious moral things, but it does not condone and actively promote racial killing for fun.
Reasonable people can tolerate things to an extent, and I am one of those, I shrug at 99% of things around me because I trust people to make their own decisions.
But to allow Nazi/Racist material to exist in entertainment is 100% wrong and illegal. That’s not me saying I find it offensive, it’s illegal to do this.
The reason this stuff is dangerous is because most people don’t understand it.
Just as you cannot buy Mein Kampf, because the material within is genuinely deadly and can be used by someone intelligent.
Hitler proved this, he mobilise an entire country based on his racial hatred.
All it takes it one person to read Mein Kampf, or use this game to gather enough mindless people that just look for a reason to hate and utilise them.
People together are stupid, a mob mentality. An amorphous mass that annihilates anything in it’s way if directed well enough by someone with enough savvy. Hitler did just that, he concentrated all that apathy and self-doubt of pre-depression era Germany and managed to convince them that the Jews were to blame.
6 million people died because of the prejudice of one man that knew how to manipulate people.
That’s the danger of something like Hooligan.
Most people would buy this thinking it was a GTA3 type game, but once you start to play you discover the absolutely wrong Nazi content. Some would take it back, some would shrug and continue to play because “It’s fun” and others would maybe be made aware of a thought process that hadn’t occurred to them before.
It’s the inherent danger of fascist material that means this game should never have seen the light of day over here.
Not because it’s violent, not because you beat people up or any of the other reasons explained by people here.
This software, the website promoting it and the ideals contained within are hardcore Nazi literature.
Which, in any society, is totally and utterly indefensible.
People went to war, millions died fighting fascism because it is an evil concept. To murder, maim and hate is no basis for a society to operate in, and if you start to defend that concept, then you really should not be in this day and age. (I’m not saying you are, these are points in general).
Whether you think GTA3 is a violent game or whatever is irrelevant.
The only issue at hand here is that Hooligan is a Nazi game, using Nazi characters and Nazi themes in “entertainment”.
If you believe that this is “ok” then something is wrong.
Laws are in effect to prevent this, countries burned to the ground in WW2 to prevent this sort of fascist idealism from taking effect.
Precisely because there is no way on earth that you can possibly defend or glorify Nazi ideas.
There are, without exception, evil. Not a word I use, but Nazism is total evil.
A game that employs those ideas, those characteristics and those themes is a dangerous thing.
Primo Levi, in his preface to his book “Survival in Auschwitz” wrote:
Learn and remember these thing
Tell your children and strangers these events
Do not forget or lessen the impact
Or else may your children turn their faces from you
May your house fall and may your soul be destroyed
Do not forget the names and faces of the millions that died
For if this should ever be repeated or tolerated
Then everything we have suffered has been in vain
And that is the greatest shame you could have
You cannot stand to one side and let Nazi material surface. That’s the only point and reason with this game. Nevermind any other games, for this is blatant race hate and nazi ideals used for a game.
If you condone or take a passive stand on this issue, then you are just as bad as those that take an active role in hate crimes.
Your role as a human being is to try and prevent such foul and insidious ideas from reaching fruition.
This is not personal taste here, this is saying that there comes a point where you cannot hide behind reasoning and judgement, you either fight against it or you join.
“Pick a side, any side, but get involved” is a Jewish saying.
What that means is that silent compliance or acceptance of Nazi ideology is utterly wrong in every respect, for that makes you as guilty as those that live that lifestyle.
There is the classic poem that says all I ever could:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me
To allow this sort of thought and ideals is wrong, pure and simple.
Fascism/Nazism as entertainment is wrong in every aspect.
You either condemn or support, there is no middle ground at all on this issue.
It boils down to do you accept this and let it go, or do you take a standpoint and say “I find this unacceptable”.
GTA3, Soldier of Fortune and all those other games. Yep, violent and yes you can apply whatever theories or personal prejudices to them.
However, what it boils down to is that this game is Nazi Propaganda.
And, in any society, that is totally unacceptable.
You cannot justify this game under any circumstances at all.
This isn't about gory games or suspicious attacking of civilians.
You have to reach a point where you say "This is unacceptable" and prevent the general release of such material. This isn’t about what morally I find reprehensible, this is about allowing Nazi glorification to be sold as entertainment.
Just as there would never ever be a game released on general sale that involved you snatching, raping and murdering a 4yr old boy.
Why not? Because there are certain issues and points that are utterly indefensible under any circumstance.
End of story.
This isn’t me saying “I find this revolting therefore it must be banned”, this is me saying that certain issues are totally off-limits as far as entertainment goes.
And Nazism is one of those.
You cannot lump GTA3 and a game that encourages, rewards and celebrates race hate killings, you just simply cannot.
GTA3 may be violent and may allow you to do dubious moral things, but it does not condone and actively promote racial killing for fun.
Reasonable people can tolerate things to an extent, and I am one of those, I shrug at 99% of things around me because I trust people to make their own decisions.
But to allow Nazi/Racist material to exist in entertainment is 100% wrong and illegal. That’s not me saying I find it offensive, it’s illegal to do this.
The reason this stuff is dangerous is because most people don’t understand it.
Just as you cannot buy Mein Kampf, because the material within is genuinely deadly and can be used by someone intelligent.
Hitler proved this, he mobilise an entire country based on his racial hatred.
All it takes it one person to read Mein Kampf, or use this game to gather enough mindless people that just look for a reason to hate and utilise them.
People together are stupid, a mob mentality. An amorphous mass that annihilates anything in it’s way if directed well enough by someone with enough savvy. Hitler did just that, he concentrated all that apathy and self-doubt of pre-depression era Germany and managed to convince them that the Jews were to blame.
6 million people died because of the prejudice of one man that knew how to manipulate people.
That’s the danger of something like Hooligan.
Most people would buy this thinking it was a GTA3 type game, but once you start to play you discover the absolutely wrong Nazi content. Some would take it back, some would shrug and continue to play because “It’s fun” and others would maybe be made aware of a thought process that hadn’t occurred to them before.
It’s the inherent danger of fascist material that means this game should never have seen the light of day over here.
Not because it’s violent, not because you beat people up or any of the other reasons explained by people here.
This software, the website promoting it and the ideals contained within are hardcore Nazi literature.
Which, in any society, is totally and utterly indefensible.
People went to war, millions died fighting fascism because it is an evil concept. To murder, maim and hate is no basis for a society to operate in, and if you start to defend that concept, then you really should not be in this day and age. (I’m not saying you are, these are points in general).
Whether you think GTA3 is a violent game or whatever is irrelevant.
The only issue at hand here is that Hooligan is a Nazi game, using Nazi characters and Nazi themes in “entertainment”.
If you believe that this is “ok” then something is wrong.
Laws are in effect to prevent this, countries burned to the ground in WW2 to prevent this sort of fascist idealism from taking effect.
Precisely because there is no way on earth that you can possibly defend or glorify Nazi ideas.
There are, without exception, evil. Not a word I use, but Nazism is total evil.
A game that employs those ideas, those characteristics and those themes is a dangerous thing.
Primo Levi, in his preface to his book “Survival in Auschwitz” wrote:
Learn and remember these thing
Tell your children and strangers these events
Do not forget or lessen the impact
Or else may your children turn their faces from you
May your house fall and may your soul be destroyed
Do not forget the names and faces of the millions that died
For if this should ever be repeated or tolerated
Then everything we have suffered has been in vain
And that is the greatest shame you could have
You cannot stand to one side and let Nazi material surface. That’s the only point and reason with this game. Nevermind any other games, for this is blatant race hate and nazi ideals used for a game.
If you condone or take a passive stand on this issue, then you are just as bad as those that take an active role in hate crimes.
Your role as a human being is to try and prevent such foul and insidious ideas from reaching fruition.
This is not personal taste here, this is saying that there comes a point where you cannot hide behind reasoning and judgement, you either fight against it or you join.
“Pick a side, any side, but get involved” is a Jewish saying.
What that means is that silent compliance or acceptance of Nazi ideology is utterly wrong in every respect, for that makes you as guilty as those that live that lifestyle.
There is the classic poem that says all I ever could:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me
To allow this sort of thought and ideals is wrong, pure and simple.
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