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Finding out about a game that has been released in a couple of European Countries has brought me out from my enforced hiatus to post my feelings about this:
Usually I’m the first person to defend “freedom of choice” and will stand up for a game/movie like GTA3/State of Emergency by saying “It’s a game, it allows you to do things for fun with no consequence”.
Except I’ve become aware of a game that has me genuinely concerned as to who would play it and why.
“Hooligans – Storm Over Europe”. A PC game about football hooligans.
Now it’s not cartoony, it’s very realistic and real-world like in appearance. The aim of the game? According to the website:
The object is to become the most notorious group of Hooligans in Europe. You must kill, maim and destroy the opposing Hooligan teams. You muster and control your faithful troops by administering drugs, alcohol and of course a good dose of violence every now and then. They must become true followers of your faction, for better or worse.
Not only good strategic skills are required but also a good political mindset and managing capabilities to keep your troops happy and violent.
Whoever is victorious and catches the publics attention in the media, will end up the most notorious Hooligans in Europe and the world! A title that every Hooligan with his heart in the right place loves to fight for!
You get bonus points for “attacking civilians to increase your wanted rating and bonuses for targeting minority groups”.
If you go to the website, you are greeted with a nice black and red image of a skinhead glaring out at you.
The forums are filled with racial hatred and “Firms” organising meetings and the most viscious racial abuse directed at other countries.
Some of the avatars you can choose are swastikas and other nazi symbols.
Game Ltd have refused to carry this game, and HMV and Virgin are coming under serious complaint from watchdog groups for stocking it.
It’s also not being released in Germany or America and Trading Standards are investigating the game to see if it contravenes the “Incitement to Racial Hatred” act passed since Sept 11th.
In Germany, it is illegal to have games displaying any symbolism of fascist iconography, and it is also illegal to use Nazi ideology as a basis for entertainment – rightly so but the UK has no such restrictions, we rely on public decency and morals.
Now I know this is just a game and all that, but what makes me unhappy is the reasoning behind the game. It’s one thing to play an undercover/ex cop trying to bring down a crime syndicate (GTA3), but it’s another thing entirely when the idea of a game is to commit racial murder and acts of hooliganism for the sole purpose of “Being the number 1 firm in Europe”.
And if I had any doubt about the intention or morality behind this game, then a visit to the forums for this game (I wont give out the URL as I object to Nazi propaganda) will indicate just where the game developer’s feelings lay. Several moderators have joined in the boasts about “the good old days” and making continued racial slurs and abuse towards people.
A game is a game, I understand that. And I’m not suggesting that by playing this game you will instantly become a nazi thug.
But seeing as we are in the 21st century, and especially since Sept 11th, I find it abhorrent that somebody still thinks it’s a good idea to bring out a game that rewards murder and racial hatred as if it were a noble thing.
If there was a game to be released called “Auschwitz Death Camp 2002: The Revenge” then there would be international outcry and, hopefully, condemnation from the world. But having investigated this game as best I can and as best as I can tolerate, I can see no difference between this game and tattooing a swastika on your head and “bashing p***s” as one poster proudly boasted.
The main game that caused contention last time was “GTA3”, but that had a strict moral guideline in it.
You could attack pedestrians if you wanted to, but you were working to bring down a criminal organisation. The wholesale slaughter was just there if you felt inclined to do so, and you would be arrested or shot after a few moments mayhem. You were working towards a goal that was pro-legal, you fought gangs etc to bring order and calm to Liberty City.
However, Hooligans exists solely to murder and cause violence for the sake of it.
You could say the same about State of Emergency, but they use the “Globol Corps” plot and you get penalised for attacking civilians, and if you look, all of your opponents are faceless white-people, there is no mission that involves attacking minority groups.
I’m not going to demand that Hooligans be banned, or that stores shouldn’t stock this game, I stand by personal choice and, unfortunately, that extends to allowing right-wing Nazis their say as well.
But I am extremely offended and unhappy about the notion that a game exists that promotes and actively encourages murderous, racist, thuggish behaviour for the sake of it.
The reward in commanding loyalty and devotions amongst your skinhead followers suggests that the feelings and emotions of the games developers involved in this game are not being ironic or making a comment about society.
This is bigoted, Nazi behaviour under the banner of “entertainment” and that is what I object to, not the game, but the ideology behind it.
Usually I’m the first person to defend “freedom of choice” and will stand up for a game/movie like GTA3/State of Emergency by saying “It’s a game, it allows you to do things for fun with no consequence”.
Except I’ve become aware of a game that has me genuinely concerned as to who would play it and why.
“Hooligans – Storm Over Europe”. A PC game about football hooligans.
Now it’s not cartoony, it’s very realistic and real-world like in appearance. The aim of the game? According to the website:
The object is to become the most notorious group of Hooligans in Europe. You must kill, maim and destroy the opposing Hooligan teams. You muster and control your faithful troops by administering drugs, alcohol and of course a good dose of violence every now and then. They must become true followers of your faction, for better or worse.
Not only good strategic skills are required but also a good political mindset and managing capabilities to keep your troops happy and violent.
Whoever is victorious and catches the publics attention in the media, will end up the most notorious Hooligans in Europe and the world! A title that every Hooligan with his heart in the right place loves to fight for!
You get bonus points for “attacking civilians to increase your wanted rating and bonuses for targeting minority groups”.
If you go to the website, you are greeted with a nice black and red image of a skinhead glaring out at you.
The forums are filled with racial hatred and “Firms” organising meetings and the most viscious racial abuse directed at other countries.
Some of the avatars you can choose are swastikas and other nazi symbols.
Game Ltd have refused to carry this game, and HMV and Virgin are coming under serious complaint from watchdog groups for stocking it.
It’s also not being released in Germany or America and Trading Standards are investigating the game to see if it contravenes the “Incitement to Racial Hatred” act passed since Sept 11th.
In Germany, it is illegal to have games displaying any symbolism of fascist iconography, and it is also illegal to use Nazi ideology as a basis for entertainment – rightly so but the UK has no such restrictions, we rely on public decency and morals.
Now I know this is just a game and all that, but what makes me unhappy is the reasoning behind the game. It’s one thing to play an undercover/ex cop trying to bring down a crime syndicate (GTA3), but it’s another thing entirely when the idea of a game is to commit racial murder and acts of hooliganism for the sole purpose of “Being the number 1 firm in Europe”.
And if I had any doubt about the intention or morality behind this game, then a visit to the forums for this game (I wont give out the URL as I object to Nazi propaganda) will indicate just where the game developer’s feelings lay. Several moderators have joined in the boasts about “the good old days” and making continued racial slurs and abuse towards people.
A game is a game, I understand that. And I’m not suggesting that by playing this game you will instantly become a nazi thug.
But seeing as we are in the 21st century, and especially since Sept 11th, I find it abhorrent that somebody still thinks it’s a good idea to bring out a game that rewards murder and racial hatred as if it were a noble thing.
If there was a game to be released called “Auschwitz Death Camp 2002: The Revenge” then there would be international outcry and, hopefully, condemnation from the world. But having investigated this game as best I can and as best as I can tolerate, I can see no difference between this game and tattooing a swastika on your head and “bashing p***s” as one poster proudly boasted.
The main game that caused contention last time was “GTA3”, but that had a strict moral guideline in it.
You could attack pedestrians if you wanted to, but you were working to bring down a criminal organisation. The wholesale slaughter was just there if you felt inclined to do so, and you would be arrested or shot after a few moments mayhem. You were working towards a goal that was pro-legal, you fought gangs etc to bring order and calm to Liberty City.
However, Hooligans exists solely to murder and cause violence for the sake of it.
You could say the same about State of Emergency, but they use the “Globol Corps” plot and you get penalised for attacking civilians, and if you look, all of your opponents are faceless white-people, there is no mission that involves attacking minority groups.
I’m not going to demand that Hooligans be banned, or that stores shouldn’t stock this game, I stand by personal choice and, unfortunately, that extends to allowing right-wing Nazis their say as well.
But I am extremely offended and unhappy about the notion that a game exists that promotes and actively encourages murderous, racist, thuggish behaviour for the sake of it.
The reward in commanding loyalty and devotions amongst your skinhead followers suggests that the feelings and emotions of the games developers involved in this game are not being ironic or making a comment about society.
This is bigoted, Nazi behaviour under the banner of “entertainment” and that is what I object to, not the game, but the ideology behind it.
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Jimmy Duck wrote:
> Brew wrote:
> Jimmy Duck wrote:
> Do i give a flying sha*g about what
> goatboy
> thinks.
Careful, you could start some sort of revolution or
> bloody war,
> don't go there.
What if i don't suck up to goatboy like
> half the other pople on this forum do. Well forgive me for thinking for myself.
Ah'm merely saying that Goatboy would probably garner more support due to his status, in a verbal fight he would probably win.
> Brew wrote:
> Jimmy Duck wrote:
> Do i give a flying sha*g about what
> goatboy
> thinks.
Careful, you could start some sort of revolution or
> bloody war,
> don't go there.
What if i don't suck up to goatboy like
> half the other pople on this forum do. Well forgive me for thinking for myself.
Ah'm merely saying that Goatboy would probably garner more support due to his status, in a verbal fight he would probably win.
Jimmy Duck wrote:
> Do i give a flying sha*g about what goatboy thinks.
---
And that's cool, nobody says you have to.
But you step up to a topic about sensitive, adult issues and join in, you have to be prepared to back up your statements.
If you can't do that, then stick to things you are safe with ok?
That's not patronising, that's saying you may get out of your depth in some places, and it's best to stay where your feet can touch the bottom.
> Do i give a flying sha*g about what goatboy thinks.
---
And that's cool, nobody says you have to.
But you step up to a topic about sensitive, adult issues and join in, you have to be prepared to back up your statements.
If you can't do that, then stick to things you are safe with ok?
That's not patronising, that's saying you may get out of your depth in some places, and it's best to stay where your feet can touch the bottom.
Brew wrote:
> Jimmy Duck wrote:
> Do i give a flying sha*g about what goatboy
> thinks.
Careful, you could start some sort of revolution or bloody war,
> don't go there.
What if i don't suck up to goatboy like half the other pople on this forum do. Well forgive me for thinking for myself.
> Jimmy Duck wrote:
> Do i give a flying sha*g about what goatboy
> thinks.
Careful, you could start some sort of revolution or bloody war,
> don't go there.
What if i don't suck up to goatboy like half the other pople on this forum do. Well forgive me for thinking for myself.
Jimmy Duck wrote:
> if you are offended by something then you tend read/play/watch so yuo have an
> arguemnet to go with your reasons.
Reading up and backing your arguement with facts is a completely different thing from playing a computer game imitating it.
Research is not done as a past time for enjoyment and 'a laugh'
> if you are offended by something then you tend read/play/watch so yuo have an
> arguemnet to go with your reasons.
Reading up and backing your arguement with facts is a completely different thing from playing a computer game imitating it.
Research is not done as a past time for enjoyment and 'a laugh'
Goatboy wrote:
> Jimmy Duck wrote:
> True. and while we're on the subject the ammericans are
> just as fachist as the
> nazis with communist/captilist thing. yeah lets go
> and bomb vietnam and other
> poor countries that would make us look
> hard.
---
*Stares at the post*
*shakes head*
You really, really dont
> understand do you?
The amercians saw communism as a threat to there way of life and also the break up with ruusia who was then a communist state. They attacked Vietnam as they didn't want them to be communist as rebels were trying to over throw the Government.
> Jimmy Duck wrote:
> True. and while we're on the subject the ammericans are
> just as fachist as the
> nazis with communist/captilist thing. yeah lets go
> and bomb vietnam and other
> poor countries that would make us look
> hard.
---
*Stares at the post*
*shakes head*
You really, really dont
> understand do you?
The amercians saw communism as a threat to there way of life and also the break up with ruusia who was then a communist state. They attacked Vietnam as they didn't want them to be communist as rebels were trying to over throw the Government.
Craw wrote:
Of
> course not. America was just an example, as they are seen to be carrying the
> torch for 'freedom' at the moment.
If you look back I actually included
> Britain in my first comment and I have absolutely no problem with discussing
> what this country has commited in the past.
You just choose not to mention any of those acts...its very biased and suggests that you consider it okay to attack America for its history but not our own nation. You had heard of our little 16th century exploits with slaving e.t.c I assume ? And our hilarious "ban" towards the end...
Still this is getting off topic, apologies.
Of
> course not. America was just an example, as they are seen to be carrying the
> torch for 'freedom' at the moment.
If you look back I actually included
> Britain in my first comment and I have absolutely no problem with discussing
> what this country has commited in the past.
You just choose not to mention any of those acts...its very biased and suggests that you consider it okay to attack America for its history but not our own nation. You had heard of our little 16th century exploits with slaving e.t.c I assume ? And our hilarious "ban" towards the end...
Still this is getting off topic, apologies.
No,if you are offended by something,you simply do not continue to indulge in that pursuit.
I haven't demanded this game be banned, I haven't said everyone that plays it will turn into a Nazi.
My entire point was the idea behind the game and how dangerous that is.
Several people here clearly grasp what I'm trying to say, whereas others don't.
And that's fine, but if you disagree or even want to play this game, I ask that you show your workings.
I haven't demanded this game be banned, I haven't said everyone that plays it will turn into a Nazi.
My entire point was the idea behind the game and how dangerous that is.
Several people here clearly grasp what I'm trying to say, whereas others don't.
And that's fine, but if you disagree or even want to play this game, I ask that you show your workings.
Jimmy Duck wrote:
> Do i give a flying sha*g about what goatboy thinks.
Careful, you could start some sort of revolution or bloody war, don't go there.
> Do i give a flying sha*g about what goatboy thinks.
Careful, you could start some sort of revolution or bloody war, don't go there.
Do i give a flying sha*g about what goatboy thinks.
if you are offended by something then you tend read/play/watch so yuo have an arguemnet to go with your reasons.
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