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G G G Gareth releases his 1st song,they played it on Capital this morning (I couldn't get Xfm for about 5 minutes)
And this latest addition to the Dancing Bear Clan, Mr Pop Idol finalist Gareth Somethingorother has his song out.
And what is it?
"Unchained Melody"
Yup, a cover of a sacharinne sweet song that's already been a hit so you know it'll sell again to old people and retards.
So we have a pre-packaged pop robot (but he's so sweet! He overcame his stutter!) singing a gauranteed-hit.
*shakes head*
We are not living in the real world anymore folks, we are living in a pre-sold, pre-fab consumer-planet that has no desire for originality or daring.
It's yet another example of you being treated like a mindless baby, unable to form their own opinions about things.
And you'll all swallow this mush and ask for more.
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*You - general state of address, non-specific.
And this latest addition to the Dancing Bear Clan, Mr Pop Idol finalist Gareth Somethingorother has his song out.
And what is it?
"Unchained Melody"
Yup, a cover of a sacharinne sweet song that's already been a hit so you know it'll sell again to old people and retards.
So we have a pre-packaged pop robot (but he's so sweet! He overcame his stutter!) singing a gauranteed-hit.
*shakes head*
We are not living in the real world anymore folks, we are living in a pre-sold, pre-fab consumer-planet that has no desire for originality or daring.
It's yet another example of you being treated like a mindless baby, unable to form their own opinions about things.
And you'll all swallow this mush and ask for more.
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*You - general state of address, non-specific.
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I agree with everyone who's said that these TV shows are designed to make the record company money.
But most of the people who appeared on Pop Idol - at least those taking it seriously - *have* been trying to get a break for ages, singing in pubs & clubs and trying to make that breakthrough.
Pop Idol to them was just another audition, albeit on a larger scale and in front of a larger audience.
The finalists all proved that they can sing (and not just 'a bit' - they were bloody good), and that they can sing LIVE, IN PUBLIC, with a LIVE BAND and so on - not just in a studio, miming to a backing track like so many other 'pop idols'.
I agree that many of the existing popstars are a waste of time - few of them will dare sing live even now that they are established; the Pop Idol finalists (an even those eliminated earlier) at least had the guts to give it a go live, without a history and loyal fan-base to fall back on if it all went t***-up.
The finalists - especially the final ten - have proved their worth as singers. So in the show they didn't perform any of their own material. But some of them were songwriters too, and who's to say that they won't write some of their own songs now that they have the opportunity?
But even if they don't, there are plenty of established stars - and I don't mean pop idols, but from all types of music - where the singer sings songs written by someone else.
There are also plenty of musicians in groups who play instruments but take no part in the songwriting process. If they can turn up and play someone else's music, why can't a singer sing someone else's lyrics? Elton John does it... Meatloaf does it... why can't Will Young?
But most of the people who appeared on Pop Idol - at least those taking it seriously - *have* been trying to get a break for ages, singing in pubs & clubs and trying to make that breakthrough.
Pop Idol to them was just another audition, albeit on a larger scale and in front of a larger audience.
The finalists all proved that they can sing (and not just 'a bit' - they were bloody good), and that they can sing LIVE, IN PUBLIC, with a LIVE BAND and so on - not just in a studio, miming to a backing track like so many other 'pop idols'.
I agree that many of the existing popstars are a waste of time - few of them will dare sing live even now that they are established; the Pop Idol finalists (an even those eliminated earlier) at least had the guts to give it a go live, without a history and loyal fan-base to fall back on if it all went t***-up.
The finalists - especially the final ten - have proved their worth as singers. So in the show they didn't perform any of their own material. But some of them were songwriters too, and who's to say that they won't write some of their own songs now that they have the opportunity?
But even if they don't, there are plenty of established stars - and I don't mean pop idols, but from all types of music - where the singer sings songs written by someone else.
There are also plenty of musicians in groups who play instruments but take no part in the songwriting process. If they can turn up and play someone else's music, why can't a singer sing someone else's lyrics? Elton John does it... Meatloaf does it... why can't Will Young?
Small Frog wrote:
> Cheers for agreeing, Wookie. I'm learning to not pay any attention to posts by
> Craw.
I think you'll be missing out on some good psts then!
I have nothing against Craw, and I respect him as a poster - I just happen to think differently to him on this subject. After all, these are discussion forums. If we all agreed, it would be pretty boring! :-)
> Cheers for agreeing, Wookie. I'm learning to not pay any attention to posts by
> Craw.
I think you'll be missing out on some good psts then!
I have nothing against Craw, and I respect him as a poster - I just happen to think differently to him on this subject. After all, these are discussion forums. If we all agreed, it would be pretty boring! :-)
The contestants on Pop Idol were like a bunch of trained monkeys. Wear this, say that, have this image...
Pants.
Pants.
Small Frog wrote:
> Cheers for agreeing, Wookie. I'm learning to not pay any attention to posts by
> Craw.
Why? Have I made a personal attack on you? Nope. I a merely expressing my opinion. Whether you agree or not I am willing to hear, but actually READ them before jumping to any conclusions!
I am not in any way saying that I am above the people who entered this show, I am merely stating that they have absolutely no comprehension whatsoever what it is like to be an artist.
A performer, yes. An artist? Don't make me laugh.
> Cheers for agreeing, Wookie. I'm learning to not pay any attention to posts by
> Craw.
Why? Have I made a personal attack on you? Nope. I a merely expressing my opinion. Whether you agree or not I am willing to hear, but actually READ them before jumping to any conclusions!
I am not in any way saying that I am above the people who entered this show, I am merely stating that they have absolutely no comprehension whatsoever what it is like to be an artist.
A performer, yes. An artist? Don't make me laugh.
Pop Idol was a program intended to make BMG very rich indeed. They looked for people who could sing a bit, and who looked good in front of a camera. No-one's debating the fact that the finalists could sing, but from the moment they stepped in front of that camera, opportunities opened up to them straight away, no bother at all. Even the ones who can't sing will probably end up being TV presenters.
I watched it expecting to see cheesy TV, and I wasn't disappointed.
I watched it expecting to see cheesy TV, and I wasn't disappointed.
I just want to know why you think these people started a show like this in the first place. Was it because they really care about music and want people to hear talent.
Of course... you keep believing that. They started it because it meant instant record sales for an artist. No building up popularity, just instant success so they can milk the latest superstars shelf life for all it's worth. And when music becomes nothing more than a little light throw-away entertainment, then all artists/ singers get judged by these passing standars. Are judged against what's 'in' at the time, not on the music they create.
I just can't believe anyone would wish to take part in a competition where the winner gets to be exploited for the rest of his/her shelf life. I would prefer to spend a lifetime making music I love, and playing to a half full pub than spend fifteen minutes of fame in the limelight to sold out crowds, having to play pre-packaged music, and being exploited by a record label.
Of course... you keep believing that. They started it because it meant instant record sales for an artist. No building up popularity, just instant success so they can milk the latest superstars shelf life for all it's worth. And when music becomes nothing more than a little light throw-away entertainment, then all artists/ singers get judged by these passing standars. Are judged against what's 'in' at the time, not on the music they create.
I just can't believe anyone would wish to take part in a competition where the winner gets to be exploited for the rest of his/her shelf life. I would prefer to spend a lifetime making music I love, and playing to a half full pub than spend fifteen minutes of fame in the limelight to sold out crowds, having to play pre-packaged music, and being exploited by a record label.
Cheers for agreeing, Wookie. I'm learning to not pay any attention to posts by Craw. I believe that both PI finalists were very talented vocalist, although they will have found it easier to become successful than similar vocalists who can't/didn't go on TV to do it. Having said that, the whole thing was simply one long televised talent show.
I respect the people who entered for their courage. Even that girl who sang YMCA. It's just a shame that it made such poor TV.
I respect the people who entered for their courage. Even that girl who sang YMCA. It's just a shame that it made such poor TV.
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
>Most half-decent live acts will perform for
> the love of it. Hence Goatboy and Parker (not sayiing they're only 'half
> decent' though). If they're bad, they'll be booed and ridiculed by at most afew
> hundred people. If they're good, and they're lucky, they'll get noticed by a
> scout - get a deal - and they're on the way.
You forgot to add the fact that a band will have probably spent months slaving away to even get somebody to see them. Hours of phonecalls, demo's, rejection letters and unforfilled promises later they may, just may get someone to their gig.
Oh yeah and when I say their gig I mean the gig that they phoned around london begging for so they could get this opportunity. And the gig they travelled 4 or 5 hours to London to play for 30 minutes infront of people who would rather be somewhere else (unlike the Pop Idol audience who would cheer even if you farted down the microphone).
Chances are said A&R man will hang around for 2 or 3 songs if their lucky and leave without saying a word. Chances are they'll never hear from him again.
>Those on Popstars and Pop Idol
> will, if they're bad, be sown up royally in front of millions. And it did
> happen to a few.
Sown up royally infront of millions? Who gives a sh**? They turn up to an audition, prance around for a while infront of a few people and then burst into tears when they don't get what they want. Ungrateful beggars.
> They're different routes to the same goal, each very
> difficult in their own way - and I don't see why they > should be ridiculed
> because of it. All of the final contestants on Pop Idol were very, very good
> singers.
I dont disagree with that at all, what I disagree with is the fact that you said they had a 'hard' time getting there. They had it all laid on a plate for them.. all they had to do was perform to the best of their abilities. The amount of exposure they got just in that series is more than some bands get in a lifetime.
Why are they
> fools? They were looking for a singer. They found several very good singers.
> What's wrong with that?
They weren't looking for a singer, they were looking for a Pop Idol. It takes background, developement, self-discovery and a willingness to succeed against all odds to become a Pop Idol, not 1.1 million record sales due to a massive TV campaign.
> If you're that good at something, don't knock the talent > shows - get
> on one yourself and prove how much better you are than > everyone
> else.
I ain't knocking the talent shows and this isn't about me proving how much better I am than anyone else. All I am saying is the 'contestants' on Pop Idol are going to have a shock when reality cathes up with them.
> Different routes... same destination.
That remains to be seen, but I'd rather walk than fly Concorde anyday.
>Most half-decent live acts will perform for
> the love of it. Hence Goatboy and Parker (not sayiing they're only 'half
> decent' though). If they're bad, they'll be booed and ridiculed by at most afew
> hundred people. If they're good, and they're lucky, they'll get noticed by a
> scout - get a deal - and they're on the way.
You forgot to add the fact that a band will have probably spent months slaving away to even get somebody to see them. Hours of phonecalls, demo's, rejection letters and unforfilled promises later they may, just may get someone to their gig.
Oh yeah and when I say their gig I mean the gig that they phoned around london begging for so they could get this opportunity. And the gig they travelled 4 or 5 hours to London to play for 30 minutes infront of people who would rather be somewhere else (unlike the Pop Idol audience who would cheer even if you farted down the microphone).
Chances are said A&R man will hang around for 2 or 3 songs if their lucky and leave without saying a word. Chances are they'll never hear from him again.
>Those on Popstars and Pop Idol
> will, if they're bad, be sown up royally in front of millions. And it did
> happen to a few.
Sown up royally infront of millions? Who gives a sh**? They turn up to an audition, prance around for a while infront of a few people and then burst into tears when they don't get what they want. Ungrateful beggars.
> They're different routes to the same goal, each very
> difficult in their own way - and I don't see why they > should be ridiculed
> because of it. All of the final contestants on Pop Idol were very, very good
> singers.
I dont disagree with that at all, what I disagree with is the fact that you said they had a 'hard' time getting there. They had it all laid on a plate for them.. all they had to do was perform to the best of their abilities. The amount of exposure they got just in that series is more than some bands get in a lifetime.
Why are they
> fools? They were looking for a singer. They found several very good singers.
> What's wrong with that?
They weren't looking for a singer, they were looking for a Pop Idol. It takes background, developement, self-discovery and a willingness to succeed against all odds to become a Pop Idol, not 1.1 million record sales due to a massive TV campaign.
> If you're that good at something, don't knock the talent > shows - get
> on one yourself and prove how much better you are than > everyone
> else.
I ain't knocking the talent shows and this isn't about me proving how much better I am than anyone else. All I am saying is the 'contestants' on Pop Idol are going to have a shock when reality cathes up with them.
> Different routes... same destination.
That remains to be seen, but I'd rather walk than fly Concorde anyday.
Craw wrote:
> So what were you talking about? The fact that they had to perform infront of a
> panel?
Most half-decent live acts will perform for the love of it. Hence Goatboy and Parker (not sayiing they're only 'half decent' though). If they're bad, they'll be booed and ridiculed by at most afew hundred people. If they're good, and they're lucky, they'll get noticed by a scout - get a deal - and they're on the way.
Those on Popstars and Pop Idol will, if they're bad, be sown up royally in front of millions. And it did happen to a few.
On the other hand, they can be very good, and still not get a deal at the end of it.
They're different routes to the same goal, each very difficult in their own way - and I don't see why they should be ridiculed because of it. All of the final contestants on Pop Idol were very, very good singers.
What the hell is wrong with that?
> You have to prove yourselves as much as any of those fools
> did on Pop Idol.
Why are they fools? They were looking for a singer. They found several very good singers. What's wrong with that?
Whether you can sing well naturally or you have coaching... whether you teach yourself to play keyboard/drums or have lessons... whether you go to drama school to learn to act or get spotted in a school play... if you're good enough at something, what does it matter how you get spotted?
If you're that good at something, don't knock the talent shows - get on one yourself and prove how much better you are than everyone else.
Different routes... same destination.
All pop sounds similar. All dance music sounds similar. All rock sounds similar.
Whichever genre you choose, most of the artists within each one sound the same. That's why 'genres' exist.
> The same standards apply whether you're on tv or sending
> a demo tape to a company.
Well, there you go then. End of argument, surely?
> So what were you talking about? The fact that they had to perform infront of a
> panel?
Most half-decent live acts will perform for the love of it. Hence Goatboy and Parker (not sayiing they're only 'half decent' though). If they're bad, they'll be booed and ridiculed by at most afew hundred people. If they're good, and they're lucky, they'll get noticed by a scout - get a deal - and they're on the way.
Those on Popstars and Pop Idol will, if they're bad, be sown up royally in front of millions. And it did happen to a few.
On the other hand, they can be very good, and still not get a deal at the end of it.
They're different routes to the same goal, each very difficult in their own way - and I don't see why they should be ridiculed because of it. All of the final contestants on Pop Idol were very, very good singers.
What the hell is wrong with that?
> You have to prove yourselves as much as any of those fools
> did on Pop Idol.
Why are they fools? They were looking for a singer. They found several very good singers. What's wrong with that?
Whether you can sing well naturally or you have coaching... whether you teach yourself to play keyboard/drums or have lessons... whether you go to drama school to learn to act or get spotted in a school play... if you're good enough at something, what does it matter how you get spotted?
If you're that good at something, don't knock the talent shows - get on one yourself and prove how much better you are than everyone else.
Different routes... same destination.
All pop sounds similar. All dance music sounds similar. All rock sounds similar.
Whichever genre you choose, most of the artists within each one sound the same. That's why 'genres' exist.
> The same standards apply whether you're on tv or sending
> a demo tape to a company.
Well, there you go then. End of argument, surely?
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
Yes, I like Will Young's single.
> Yes, I bought it. And yes, I will by his album too.
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Did you order a nice bra & panties set so you can listen in comfort?
Yes, I like Will Young's single.
> Yes, I bought it. And yes, I will by his album too.
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Did you order a nice bra & panties set so you can listen in comfort?
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