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How many shops have you been in this Christmas and seen PS2 games being sold for £29.99 or less. Comet, Dixons, PC World they are all at it and the reason they can afford to sell PS2 games at that price is the fact they can offset the price against the many more sales they will get for that particular title.
Then ask yourself how many Xbox and GC titles you see for these sort of prices Sony make gaming affordable hell they even have Platinium games that are £20 or 2 of £30 in a lot of places.
Then ask yourself how many Xbox and GC titles you see for these sort of prices Sony make gaming affordable hell they even have Platinium games that are £20 or 2 of £30 in a lot of places.
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Here we go then SR's PS2 games are cheaper.
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You can put 2 PS2 Multi-taps on a PS2, for 8 players. Where is the GC and Xbox *multi-tap* then? Stuck with 4 players max, o dear, o dear.
BTW, does the fabled GC and XBox have *direct link* cables (ie, to link 2 machines directly together)?.
AND, Did the nice sales person say you didn't need a memory card with your XBox, because it saves games to the hard disc? Then you remembered, you wanted to take a saved game round to a mates house to play multi-player on their XBox. What do you need? Thats right, an Xbox memory card!
BTW, does the fabled GC and XBox have *direct link* cables (ie, to link 2 machines directly together)?.
AND, Did the nice sales person say you didn't need a memory card with your XBox, because it saves games to the hard disc? Then you remembered, you wanted to take a saved game round to a mates house to play multi-player on their XBox. What do you need? Thats right, an Xbox memory card!
Totoro wrote:
I have both a PS2 and a good quality dvd player, and would say the PS2
> dvd playback isn't really that great. It's OK and does the job
> reasonably well, but compared to dedicated players, PS2 dvd
> capabilities are second rate at best.
So like it does the job reasonably well, but compared to dedicated players, PS2 dvd capabilities are second rate at best. Make up your mind.
Look, I have a fairly high spec Sony DVD player as well. Against the PS2, is the control of functions using the game controller - I recommend people get the Sony PS2 Remote if they are going to play a lot of DVD's on it.
As for "other features" (ie, the ability to make the image sharper, softer, add more black, switch on/off so called surround sound effects for people with just 2 speakers, etc), I have 2 menu's worth of them on my standalone drive, while the PS2 has about 1 or 2 such features. Then again I bet most £100 DVD players don't have all the "effects" my DVD player has. At the end of the day, I didn't buy my DVD player just for it's special effects or menu options, and like most people, don't change many of the settings very often anyway!
As for quality, the PS2 I have is very good. I would rate it 8 or 8.5 out of ten. As I said before, it was almost identical to my old Pioneer DVD player, and it's not far behind my new Sony machine. The Sony I have has better colour, has a bit sharper image, handles saturation better (where there is a large area of one, often dark colour) with a bit less "flicker", and is spot on when light images merge into dark images (cheaper drives go a bit blocky where the join is between light and dark is - Sunrise, or better still, a candle a night scene shows this up). So, I could say my DVD player is "better". It is, but in real terms, all the improvements I have mentioned lumped together is roughly about 15% - not really like going from VHS to DVD again is it! My comparison seems fair, as friends & family have a variety of DVD players. Even the sub £100 machines do ok. A *modern* "low cost" DVD player is roughly the same quality as my PS2 or my old Pioneer DVD drive, about 15% down on a good spec, modern DVD drive. I hardly see it fair to hammer the PS2 DVD quality I have seen so far based on this evidence.
I have both a PS2 and a good quality dvd player, and would say the PS2
> dvd playback isn't really that great. It's OK and does the job
> reasonably well, but compared to dedicated players, PS2 dvd
> capabilities are second rate at best.
So like it does the job reasonably well, but compared to dedicated players, PS2 dvd capabilities are second rate at best. Make up your mind.
Look, I have a fairly high spec Sony DVD player as well. Against the PS2, is the control of functions using the game controller - I recommend people get the Sony PS2 Remote if they are going to play a lot of DVD's on it.
As for "other features" (ie, the ability to make the image sharper, softer, add more black, switch on/off so called surround sound effects for people with just 2 speakers, etc), I have 2 menu's worth of them on my standalone drive, while the PS2 has about 1 or 2 such features. Then again I bet most £100 DVD players don't have all the "effects" my DVD player has. At the end of the day, I didn't buy my DVD player just for it's special effects or menu options, and like most people, don't change many of the settings very often anyway!
As for quality, the PS2 I have is very good. I would rate it 8 or 8.5 out of ten. As I said before, it was almost identical to my old Pioneer DVD player, and it's not far behind my new Sony machine. The Sony I have has better colour, has a bit sharper image, handles saturation better (where there is a large area of one, often dark colour) with a bit less "flicker", and is spot on when light images merge into dark images (cheaper drives go a bit blocky where the join is between light and dark is - Sunrise, or better still, a candle a night scene shows this up). So, I could say my DVD player is "better". It is, but in real terms, all the improvements I have mentioned lumped together is roughly about 15% - not really like going from VHS to DVD again is it! My comparison seems fair, as friends & family have a variety of DVD players. Even the sub £100 machines do ok. A *modern* "low cost" DVD player is roughly the same quality as my PS2 or my old Pioneer DVD drive, about 15% down on a good spec, modern DVD drive. I hardly see it fair to hammer the PS2 DVD quality I have seen so far based on this evidence.
Top score wrote:
>
> When it comes to controlling cars on PGR it can only be described as
> shocking. Then it might not be all the games fault lets face it the
> Xbox controller is hardly gonna win product design of the year the
> buttons are to close, there are too many of them, the analogue sticks
> are oddly placed and the directional pad in vague, still at least they
> got the size right.
The Dualshock isn't much better. It's an update of the original PS which looks boring and uninventive, and doesn't play much better. And, as I mentioned before, why have you only got two joypad ports on the PS2 and not four? Face it, you're paying over the odds for a machine that's over two years old, and then you have to pay even more just to play mulitplayer games. So stick that in your waste pipe, you scum-sucking algae eater.
>
> When it comes to controlling cars on PGR it can only be described as
> shocking. Then it might not be all the games fault lets face it the
> Xbox controller is hardly gonna win product design of the year the
> buttons are to close, there are too many of them, the analogue sticks
> are oddly placed and the directional pad in vague, still at least they
> got the size right.
The Dualshock isn't much better. It's an update of the original PS which looks boring and uninventive, and doesn't play much better. And, as I mentioned before, why have you only got two joypad ports on the PS2 and not four? Face it, you're paying over the odds for a machine that's over two years old, and then you have to pay even more just to play mulitplayer games. So stick that in your waste pipe, you scum-sucking algae eater.
Tom wrote>
On HMV's website a couple of weeks ago (not anymore) Xbox's PGR was £9.99 plus about £2.95 p&p. Total, £12.94.
Ha
Well actually you can buy numerous copies of GT3 on ebay for £4.99 so stuff that up you pipe and let's face it PGR is just a MSR update and is not in the same league as GT3 in terms of graphics and certainly not in terms of controllability.
When it comes to controlling cars on PGR it can only be described as shocking. Then it might not be all the games fault lets face it the Xbox controller is hardly gonna win product design of the year the buttons are to close, there are too many of them, the analogue sticks are oddly placed and the directional pad in vague, still at least they got the size right.
On HMV's website a couple of weeks ago (not anymore) Xbox's PGR was £9.99 plus about £2.95 p&p. Total, £12.94.
Ha
Well actually you can buy numerous copies of GT3 on ebay for £4.99 so stuff that up you pipe and let's face it PGR is just a MSR update and is not in the same league as GT3 in terms of graphics and certainly not in terms of controllability.
When it comes to controlling cars on PGR it can only be described as shocking. Then it might not be all the games fault lets face it the Xbox controller is hardly gonna win product design of the year the buttons are to close, there are too many of them, the analogue sticks are oddly placed and the directional pad in vague, still at least they got the size right.
Top score wrote:
> Ever tried Toys R Us or do you only base your facts on your local
> electrical shop in loserville.
Why do you always resort to insults in every post you make?
> Ever tried Toys R Us or do you only base your facts on your local
> electrical shop in loserville.
Why do you always resort to insults in every post you make?
Top score wrote:
> Thirdly why should you have to pay more for the use of dvd on the Xbox
> you don't with the PS2. That is just a con MS trying to make money
> from nothing again.
>
> Then there is the PS2 price with 4 games £360 where did you
> pluck that price from, if you did pay this for one then you're the
> sap. £199 will easily buy you a PS2 with 4 games and there is
> no need for a dvd kit either it plays them out of the box.
If you want a games machine, then the PS2 is your most expensive option, GameCube in the middle and the Xbox the best value. If you want a DVD player then buying a PS2 is expensive and very average quality, Xbox+control is expensive, good quality and comes with two free games (and a remote control), whereas a dedicated DVD player is cheap and pretty good quality.
Price is not something the PS2 can boast about. Depth of games selection is.
> Thirdly why should you have to pay more for the use of dvd on the Xbox
> you don't with the PS2. That is just a con MS trying to make money
> from nothing again.
>
> Then there is the PS2 price with 4 games £360 where did you
> pluck that price from, if you did pay this for one then you're the
> sap. £199 will easily buy you a PS2 with 4 games and there is
> no need for a dvd kit either it plays them out of the box.
If you want a games machine, then the PS2 is your most expensive option, GameCube in the middle and the Xbox the best value. If you want a DVD player then buying a PS2 is expensive and very average quality, Xbox+control is expensive, good quality and comes with two free games (and a remote control), whereas a dedicated DVD player is cheap and pretty good quality.
Price is not something the PS2 can boast about. Depth of games selection is.
Tóm wrote:
> On HMV's website a couple of weeks ago (not anymore) Xbox's PGR was
> £9.99 plus about £2.95 p&p. Total, £12.94.
Tom wrote
> PS2, most expensive console although it is actually the oldest.
> £25 for a memory card. No games £169.99, that means
> £194.99 with memory card. That leaves you £5 to try and
> get four games - I'd like to see you try to do that.
Ever tried Toys R Us or do you only base your facts on your local electrical shop in loserville.
People will pay more money for PS2 because it has the games people want for example a certain GTA VC which has been at the top of the charts for the last 5 weeks. £10 for a games library which is about 3 times the size of Xbox and 40 the size of GC is the reason everyone is buying PS2 105,000 units sold in the last week can't be wrong.
People are not interested in rubbish Sega remake games if they were Sega wouldn't be in the position it is now. Xbox giving away 2 Sega games with it's Xbox, what's amazing about that it's not like people would buy those games if they weren't given away stinks of MS desperation.
> On HMV's website a couple of weeks ago (not anymore) Xbox's PGR was
> £9.99 plus about £2.95 p&p. Total, £12.94.
Tom wrote
> PS2, most expensive console although it is actually the oldest.
> £25 for a memory card. No games £169.99, that means
> £194.99 with memory card. That leaves you £5 to try and
> get four games - I'd like to see you try to do that.
Ever tried Toys R Us or do you only base your facts on your local electrical shop in loserville.
People will pay more money for PS2 because it has the games people want for example a certain GTA VC which has been at the top of the charts for the last 5 weeks. £10 for a games library which is about 3 times the size of Xbox and 40 the size of GC is the reason everyone is buying PS2 105,000 units sold in the last week can't be wrong.
People are not interested in rubbish Sega remake games if they were Sega wouldn't be in the position it is now. Xbox giving away 2 Sega games with it's Xbox, what's amazing about that it's not like people would buy those games if they weren't given away stinks of MS desperation.
Drunk Cow wrote:
> Hey!! You ruined the Drunk Cow chain!!!!!
Ahh...sorry about that. Was there something specific you wanted?
> Hey!! You ruined the Drunk Cow chain!!!!!
Ahh...sorry about that. Was there something specific you wanted?
Top score wrote:
> Secondly what is this rubbish about the the PS2 dvd quality have you
> actually ever bothered to try it, I think you will find the dvd
> playback is fine and certainly not shoddy infact with my dvd remote I
> have functions that some cheaper end dvd's do not.
I have both a PS2 and a good quality dvd player, and would say the PS2 dvd playback isn't really that great. It's OK and does the job reasonably well, but compared to dedicated players, PS2 dvd capabilities are second rate at best.
> Secondly what is this rubbish about the the PS2 dvd quality have you
> actually ever bothered to try it, I think you will find the dvd
> playback is fine and certainly not shoddy infact with my dvd remote I
> have functions that some cheaper end dvd's do not.
I have both a PS2 and a good quality dvd player, and would say the PS2 dvd playback isn't really that great. It's OK and does the job reasonably well, but compared to dedicated players, PS2 dvd capabilities are second rate at best.
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