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Sorry, but it is!
I don't believe in the Big Bang, it is impossible. Nor do I believe in the steady state theory. I belive in God. If you want to you can laugh.
Feel free to argue, I will post my full analysis later.
Just don't reduce yourselves to swearing chimps! :D
I don't believe in the Big Bang, it is impossible. Nor do I believe in the steady state theory. I belive in God. If you want to you can laugh.
Feel free to argue, I will post my full analysis later.
Just don't reduce yourselves to swearing chimps! :D
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Ben Hodgetts wrote:
> do you mean *nothing like we imagined* in a good way or a very terrible tortuous
> way
Maybe in both ways...
Like the next version of Windows
;-)
> do you mean *nothing like we imagined* in a good way or a very terrible tortuous
> way
Maybe in both ways...
Like the next version of Windows
;-)
Sibs wrote:
> ha! Glad I could bring some humour to the topic, and Darkness, I'm glad that
> you're comment was sincere, I just wasn't sure as my comments didn't seem
> particularly scientific...
and Ant, the Stryke bit was not supposed to be
> insulting, just he said you have debates a lot and the two of you obviously feel
> strongly on this subject...
anyway, I'm just wondering, how can it NOT be
> black and white when there is this clear cut 'heaven/hell' place when we
> die?
Unless there are 'levels' on each... (bit like a videogame
> really)
:D
Heh, well, I guess there's different ways of getting in. The main way obviously is believing in God, praying, giving some time to hom etc. But I wouldn't of thought that if you were a good person who believes, but doesn't actually take part in stuff like praying, would go to Hell.
Who knows eh?? I did hear a guy's testimony once on video. He died for a few seconds, and he described this long experience about how first he went to Hell. And judging by his description, Hell is nothing like we've ever imagined.
> ha! Glad I could bring some humour to the topic, and Darkness, I'm glad that
> you're comment was sincere, I just wasn't sure as my comments didn't seem
> particularly scientific...
and Ant, the Stryke bit was not supposed to be
> insulting, just he said you have debates a lot and the two of you obviously feel
> strongly on this subject...
anyway, I'm just wondering, how can it NOT be
> black and white when there is this clear cut 'heaven/hell' place when we
> die?
Unless there are 'levels' on each... (bit like a videogame
> really)
:D
Heh, well, I guess there's different ways of getting in. The main way obviously is believing in God, praying, giving some time to hom etc. But I wouldn't of thought that if you were a good person who believes, but doesn't actually take part in stuff like praying, would go to Hell.
Who knows eh?? I did hear a guy's testimony once on video. He died for a few seconds, and he described this long experience about how first he went to Hell. And judging by his description, Hell is nothing like we've ever imagined.
ha! Glad I could bring some humour to the topic, and Darkness, I'm glad that you're comment was sincere, I just wasn't sure as my comments didn't seem particularly scientific...
and Ant, the Stryke bit was not supposed to be insulting, just he said you have debates a lot and the two of you obviously feel strongly on this subject...
anyway, I'm just wondering, how can it NOT be black and white when there is this clear cut 'heaven/hell' place when we die?
Unless there are 'levels' on each... (bit like a videogame really)
:D
and Ant, the Stryke bit was not supposed to be insulting, just he said you have debates a lot and the two of you obviously feel strongly on this subject...
anyway, I'm just wondering, how can it NOT be black and white when there is this clear cut 'heaven/hell' place when we die?
Unless there are 'levels' on each... (bit like a videogame really)
:D
Sibs wrote:
hmm... was that sarcastic? I didn't think my post was particularly scientific, but if you thought so...
Not at all, you refrained from insulting my beliefs and just put yours forward, I admire that.
and yes, there is the moral side, and I thought your dialogue was very funny :D
But as Any says, We'll just have to wait and see.
hmm... was that sarcastic? I didn't think my post was particularly scientific, but if you thought so...
Not at all, you refrained from insulting my beliefs and just put yours forward, I admire that.
and yes, there is the moral side, and I thought your dialogue was very funny :D
But as Any says, We'll just have to wait and see.
Sibs wrote:
anyway, the thing not really touched upon here is the moral
> side. We have all been ranting over "you can't prove this or that"
> stuff, but even IF a God does exist and created us, by what right can he decide
> if we are evil or good? Ant said because HE CREATED US (or something similar in
> capitals :p) but that is like saying a father/mother has the right to decide the
> fate of a child for doing something wrong like lock him/her in a cupboard for
> however long to 'think about the wrong' etc. A parent should be able to chose a
> punishment that fits the crime. It's not black and white. Heaven and
> hell.
Nope, it's not black and white, and that's something even us Christians don't know about. I guess we'll find out when we kick the bucket, or when we pop our cloggs, or any other metaphorical sense of dying.
anyway, the thing not really touched upon here is the moral
> side. We have all been ranting over "you can't prove this or that"
> stuff, but even IF a God does exist and created us, by what right can he decide
> if we are evil or good? Ant said because HE CREATED US (or something similar in
> capitals :p) but that is like saying a father/mother has the right to decide the
> fate of a child for doing something wrong like lock him/her in a cupboard for
> however long to 'think about the wrong' etc. A parent should be able to chose a
> punishment that fits the crime. It's not black and white. Heaven and
> hell.
Nope, it's not black and white, and that's something even us Christians don't know about. I guess we'll find out when we kick the bucket, or when we pop our cloggs, or any other metaphorical sense of dying.
LOL @ Sibs!!
Maybe it was meant to be insulting, but the Stryke bit made me laugh. :D
Maybe it was meant to be insulting, but the Stryke bit made me laugh. :D
Darkness_2K wrote:
> Sibs wrote:
>*waits in anticipation for Ants reply*
:p
Well sorry,
> you're getting one from me :D
When Adam and Eve broke their trust in God, he
> decided he would not be as close to the human race as he once was - the reason
> why things that you described happen.
I don't read the Bible, or go to
> Church, so you may call me a fraud, but its my belief.
I think the above is
> something along the right lines.
I am also in anticipation of a repy from
> Ant :D
Well, I'm afraid neither of you are going to get one. :D
But what Darkness put it about right, yeah. God will effect your life if you let him.
> Sibs wrote:
>*waits in anticipation for Ants reply*
:p
Well sorry,
> you're getting one from me :D
When Adam and Eve broke their trust in God, he
> decided he would not be as close to the human race as he once was - the reason
> why things that you described happen.
I don't read the Bible, or go to
> Church, so you may call me a fraud, but its my belief.
I think the above is
> something along the right lines.
I am also in anticipation of a repy from
> Ant :D
Well, I'm afraid neither of you are going to get one. :D
But what Darkness put it about right, yeah. God will effect your life if you let him.
Darkness_2K wrote:
And Sibs, thank you
> VERY much. Sometihng scientific, not just base level insults, I admire you a
> LOT.
hmm... was that sarcastic? I didn't think my post was particularly scientific, but if you thought so...
anyway, the thing not really touched upon here is the moral side. We have all been ranting over "you can't prove this or that" stuff, but even IF a God does exist and created us, by what right can he decide if we are evil or good? Ant said because HE CREATED US (or something similar in capitals :p) but that is like saying a father/mother has the right to decide the fate of a child for doing something wrong like lock him/her in a cupboard for however long to 'think about the wrong' etc. A parent should be able to chose a punishment that fits the crime. It's not black and white. Heaven and hell.
So, I die, go up to heavens gates...
God- "Sorry, can't let you in here."
Sibs- "Why the he... I mean why not?"
God- "Because you don't believe in God"
Sibs- "Well I do now... your standing right in front of me"
God- "Well, you didn't beleive in me when you were alive."
Sibs- "So, there was no proof!!!"
*other guy floats up to gate*
God- "Welcome into the realm of heaven"
Sibs- "How come he gets in?!?"
God- "He believed in me."
Sibs- "But I saw him on TV... he was some religious nutter who went around killing all 'sinners' who didn't go to church every Sunday"
God- "I know, but he believed in me."
Sibs- "WHAT?!? Jeez, with that kinda logic I reckon hell could be preferable!"
*Ant floats up towards heaven after being strangled by Stryke in another debate, as Sibs begins his descent to hell*
Ant- "I told you Sibs!"
And Sibs, thank you
> VERY much. Sometihng scientific, not just base level insults, I admire you a
> LOT.
hmm... was that sarcastic? I didn't think my post was particularly scientific, but if you thought so...
anyway, the thing not really touched upon here is the moral side. We have all been ranting over "you can't prove this or that" stuff, but even IF a God does exist and created us, by what right can he decide if we are evil or good? Ant said because HE CREATED US (or something similar in capitals :p) but that is like saying a father/mother has the right to decide the fate of a child for doing something wrong like lock him/her in a cupboard for however long to 'think about the wrong' etc. A parent should be able to chose a punishment that fits the crime. It's not black and white. Heaven and hell.
So, I die, go up to heavens gates...
God- "Sorry, can't let you in here."
Sibs- "Why the he... I mean why not?"
God- "Because you don't believe in God"
Sibs- "Well I do now... your standing right in front of me"
God- "Well, you didn't beleive in me when you were alive."
Sibs- "So, there was no proof!!!"
*other guy floats up to gate*
God- "Welcome into the realm of heaven"
Sibs- "How come he gets in?!?"
God- "He believed in me."
Sibs- "But I saw him on TV... he was some religious nutter who went around killing all 'sinners' who didn't go to church every Sunday"
God- "I know, but he believed in me."
Sibs- "WHAT?!? Jeez, with that kinda logic I reckon hell could be preferable!"
*Ant floats up towards heaven after being strangled by Stryke in another debate, as Sibs begins his descent to hell*
Ant- "I told you Sibs!"
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