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Sorry, but it is!
I don't believe in the Big Bang, it is impossible. Nor do I believe in the steady state theory. I belive in God. If you want to you can laugh.
Feel free to argue, I will post my full analysis later.
Just don't reduce yourselves to swearing chimps! :D
I don't believe in the Big Bang, it is impossible. Nor do I believe in the steady state theory. I belive in God. If you want to you can laugh.
Feel free to argue, I will post my full analysis later.
Just don't reduce yourselves to swearing chimps! :D
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Hmm... Respect others viewpoints... see there is a moral in here (somewhere!)
Anyway, I think Ant may be interested in (the last chapter at least) of my 'Special Reserve is Under Attack' story in FOG Prime...
;-)
Anyway, I think Ant may be interested in (the last chapter at least) of my 'Special Reserve is Under Attack' story in FOG Prime...
;-)
Sibs wrote:
Ant floats up towards heaven after being strangled by Stryke in another debate, as Sibs begins his descent to hell*
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Muaha! YOU KNOW ITS TRUE!
Ant floats up towards heaven after being strangled by Stryke in another debate, as Sibs begins his descent to hell*
--
Muaha! YOU KNOW ITS TRUE!
As a physicist and future homer simpson, I try not to think about the universe much, as it tends to confuse me. Not that I don't understand the various theories on the matter, but my little brain wasn't designed/evolved to think about things that are infinitely large.
Yeh, good point Dan.
For all you people ou there who do believe in the Big Bang, I have one question to ask you all:
'If there was no space, no time, no nothing, how can all the universe get sucked in together, produce a gigantic 'bang' and then explode outwards and create everything, space, time, the earth??'
That's all I have to say apart from the fact that all you people out there have your own views, and I have mine.
For all you people ou there who do believe in the Big Bang, I have one question to ask you all:
'If there was no space, no time, no nothing, how can all the universe get sucked in together, produce a gigantic 'bang' and then explode outwards and create everything, space, time, the earth??'
That's all I have to say apart from the fact that all you people out there have your own views, and I have mine.
Here here!
I actually started this topic as a joke! To GET people annoyed and start a heated argument. Fun for the whole family :D
I actually started this topic as a joke! To GET people annoyed and start a heated argument. Fun for the whole family :D
I was just going back, thinking as to why we were actually arguing over how the universe started... maybe we should leave that for now... it seems we are only trying to find out how it started to prove our theories correct. What we KNOW, what is fact, is that we are here. Whether created by an all powerful being or some million in one chance that started as an explosion, or whether neither of these are true, and there is another explanation, we are here.
If we did discover how it started, would it change any of us? If Ant suddenly found his God wasn't real, then would he give up his morals? If I suddenly found God was real, would I start going to church? I doubt it.
It seems that this argument, intriguing though it is, is unlikely to change the opinions or lifestyles of those who hold strong beliefs on either side. Anyway, just as long as we hold to our morals, and respect what others believe (and don't go knocking on peoples doors preaching to them!!!) then that is the best way.
If we did discover how it started, would it change any of us? If Ant suddenly found his God wasn't real, then would he give up his morals? If I suddenly found God was real, would I start going to church? I doubt it.
It seems that this argument, intriguing though it is, is unlikely to change the opinions or lifestyles of those who hold strong beliefs on either side. Anyway, just as long as we hold to our morals, and respect what others believe (and don't go knocking on peoples doors preaching to them!!!) then that is the best way.
There's a LOT more on that web site, too much to post, so I just put the first bit up.
Take from http://members.tripod.com/~ssscott/BigBang.html
Fifteen billion years ago, give or take five billion years, the entirety of our universe was compressed into the confines of an atomic nucleus. Known as a singularity, this is the moment before creation when space and time did not exist. According to the prevailing cosmological models that explain our universe, an ineffable explosion, trillions of degrees in temperature on any measurement scale, that was infinitely dense, created not only fundamental subatomic particles and thus matter and energy but space and time itself. Cosmology theorists combined with the observations of their astronomy colleagues have been able to reconstruct the primordial chronology of events known as the big bang.
Quantum theory suggests that moments after the explosion at 10 -43 second, the four forces of nature; strong nuclear, weak nuclear, electromagnetic and gravity were combined as a single "super force"(Wald). Elementary particles known as quarks begin to bond in trios, forming photons, positrons and netrinos and were created along with their antiparticles. There are minuscule amounts of protons and neutrons at this stage; approximately 1 for every one billion photons, neutrinos or electrons (Maffei). The density of the Universe in its first moment of life is thought to have been 1094g/cm3 with the majority of this being radiation. For each billion pairs of these heavy particles (hadrons) that were created, one was spared annihilation due to particle-antiparticle collisions. The remaining particles constitute the majority of our universe today (Novikov).
During this creation and annihilation of particles the universe was undergoing a rate of expansion many times the speed of light. Known as the inflationary epoch, the universe in less than one thousandth of a second doubled in size at least one hundred times, from an atomic nucleus to 1035 meters in width. An isotropic inflation of our Universe ends at 10-35 second that was almost perfectly smooth. If it were not for a slight fluctuation in the density distribution of matter, theorists contend, galaxies would have been unable to form (Parker).
The universe at this point was an ionized plasma where matter and radiation were inseparable. Additionally there were equal amounts of particles and antiparticles. The ratio of neutrons and protons albeit small is equal. When the universe aged to one hundredth of a second old neutrons begin to decay on a massive scale. This allows for free electrons and protons to combine with other particles. Eventually the remaining neutrons combine with protons to form heavy hydrogen (deuterium). These deuterium nuclei combine in pairs and form helium nuclei. The formation of matter from energy is made possible by photons materializing into baryons and antibaryons with their subsequent annihilations transforming them into pure energy (Maffei). Because of these collisions and annihilations matter was unable to remain viable for more than a few nanoseconds before a bombardment of electrons would scatter these photons. Like water trapped inside a sponge, radiation is so dense (1014g/cm3) that no light is visible. Known as the "Epoch of Last Scattering" the temperature has now dropped to a mere 1013K with the Strong Nuclear, Weak Nuclear and Electromagnetic interactions now able to exert their force. (Chown)
As the gas cloud expands one full second after the initial explosion and the temperature of our Universe has dropped to ten billion degrees, photons no longer have the energy to disrupt the creation of matter as well as transform energy into matter. After three minutes and a temperature of one billion degrees, protons and neutrons were slowing down enough in order to allow nucleosynthesis to take place. Atomic nuclei of helium was produced as two protons and neutrons each bonded. For every helium nuclei formed there were about ten protons left over allowing for twenty-five percent of the Universe to be comprised of helium. The next important phase of the expansion occurred around thirty minutes later when the creation of photons increased through the annihilation of electron-positron pairs. The fact that the universe began with slightly more electrons than positrons has insured that our Universe was able to form the way it has (Parker).
The universe for the next 300,000 years will then begin to expand and cool to a temperature of 10,000°K. These conditions allowed for helium nuclei to absorb free floating electrons and form helium atoms. Meanwhile hydrogen atoms were bonding together and forming lithium. It is here that the density of the universe has expanded to the point where light can be perceived. Until this point photons continued to be trapped within matter. Finally the expansion allowed for light and matter to go there separate ways as radiation becomes less and less dense. Matter and radiation therefore too, were bonded no longer and the oldest fossils in the Universe were born (Peebles).
Fifteen billion years ago, give or take five billion years, the entirety of our universe was compressed into the confines of an atomic nucleus. Known as a singularity, this is the moment before creation when space and time did not exist. According to the prevailing cosmological models that explain our universe, an ineffable explosion, trillions of degrees in temperature on any measurement scale, that was infinitely dense, created not only fundamental subatomic particles and thus matter and energy but space and time itself. Cosmology theorists combined with the observations of their astronomy colleagues have been able to reconstruct the primordial chronology of events known as the big bang.
Quantum theory suggests that moments after the explosion at 10 -43 second, the four forces of nature; strong nuclear, weak nuclear, electromagnetic and gravity were combined as a single "super force"(Wald). Elementary particles known as quarks begin to bond in trios, forming photons, positrons and netrinos and were created along with their antiparticles. There are minuscule amounts of protons and neutrons at this stage; approximately 1 for every one billion photons, neutrinos or electrons (Maffei). The density of the Universe in its first moment of life is thought to have been 1094g/cm3 with the majority of this being radiation. For each billion pairs of these heavy particles (hadrons) that were created, one was spared annihilation due to particle-antiparticle collisions. The remaining particles constitute the majority of our universe today (Novikov).
During this creation and annihilation of particles the universe was undergoing a rate of expansion many times the speed of light. Known as the inflationary epoch, the universe in less than one thousandth of a second doubled in size at least one hundred times, from an atomic nucleus to 1035 meters in width. An isotropic inflation of our Universe ends at 10-35 second that was almost perfectly smooth. If it were not for a slight fluctuation in the density distribution of matter, theorists contend, galaxies would have been unable to form (Parker).
The universe at this point was an ionized plasma where matter and radiation were inseparable. Additionally there were equal amounts of particles and antiparticles. The ratio of neutrons and protons albeit small is equal. When the universe aged to one hundredth of a second old neutrons begin to decay on a massive scale. This allows for free electrons and protons to combine with other particles. Eventually the remaining neutrons combine with protons to form heavy hydrogen (deuterium). These deuterium nuclei combine in pairs and form helium nuclei. The formation of matter from energy is made possible by photons materializing into baryons and antibaryons with their subsequent annihilations transforming them into pure energy (Maffei). Because of these collisions and annihilations matter was unable to remain viable for more than a few nanoseconds before a bombardment of electrons would scatter these photons. Like water trapped inside a sponge, radiation is so dense (1014g/cm3) that no light is visible. Known as the "Epoch of Last Scattering" the temperature has now dropped to a mere 1013K with the Strong Nuclear, Weak Nuclear and Electromagnetic interactions now able to exert their force. (Chown)
As the gas cloud expands one full second after the initial explosion and the temperature of our Universe has dropped to ten billion degrees, photons no longer have the energy to disrupt the creation of matter as well as transform energy into matter. After three minutes and a temperature of one billion degrees, protons and neutrons were slowing down enough in order to allow nucleosynthesis to take place. Atomic nuclei of helium was produced as two protons and neutrons each bonded. For every helium nuclei formed there were about ten protons left over allowing for twenty-five percent of the Universe to be comprised of helium. The next important phase of the expansion occurred around thirty minutes later when the creation of photons increased through the annihilation of electron-positron pairs. The fact that the universe began with slightly more electrons than positrons has insured that our Universe was able to form the way it has (Parker).
The universe for the next 300,000 years will then begin to expand and cool to a temperature of 10,000°K. These conditions allowed for helium nuclei to absorb free floating electrons and form helium atoms. Meanwhile hydrogen atoms were bonding together and forming lithium. It is here that the density of the universe has expanded to the point where light can be perceived. Until this point photons continued to be trapped within matter. Finally the expansion allowed for light and matter to go there separate ways as radiation becomes less and less dense. Matter and radiation therefore too, were bonded no longer and the oldest fossils in the Universe were born (Peebles).
Your Honour wrote:
> My opinion, possibly agreed with by some, almost definately disagreed with by
> some:
Religion, be it Christianity, or Buddhism or Sikhism (sp?) or whatever,
> were "created" to help explain stuff that was previously
> unexplainable.
Where did the earth come from?
Why are we
> here?
Etc.
These are all questions that have baffled people ever since
> there were people to baffle. People couldn't understand it, so they
> "invented" religion to explain it all.
They believed in something,
> and that helped them to cope with the questions that they couldn't answer
> before.
Now, however, science has come on a long way, and that is now
> starting to explain to us where we came from etc, so religion is needed less and
> less.
Not really. There are theories which explain some of it, but not all. For instance, why do the planet spin?? Why are some planets tilted in such a way?? A lot of is based on luck, and that's a helluva lot of luck.
And they still can't explain where matter came from. At the moment it's when nothing blew up. So really, science is yet to explain where we actually came from, apart from an explosion out of nothing. I'm afraid I can't rely on that, especially when I have personal experiences which say otherwise.
Just for Loki, I found out last night that Darwin did actually die a Christian, as on his deathbed he admitted there were many fundamental flaws in his theories. Take it how you will, and although there are pieces of evidence proving Evolution, there are also flaws. I guess it's up to you then, and it looks like most have gone a different road from me.
Back to science for a minute, I very much doubt we will ever truly know where we came from. Eevn the most technological science will not be able to explain it perfectly, especially where the explosion actually came from.
Some say religion is an invention, or a fairy tale. After some research, I found out that the Big Bang theory was supposedly invented in the 1920s by a science fiction writer (his second name began with G, can't remember anymore) and he then promoted it to the scientific community, and so people who did not believe in religion had some way to answer the questions that as YH put it, baffled mankind.
> My opinion, possibly agreed with by some, almost definately disagreed with by
> some:
Religion, be it Christianity, or Buddhism or Sikhism (sp?) or whatever,
> were "created" to help explain stuff that was previously
> unexplainable.
Where did the earth come from?
Why are we
> here?
Etc.
These are all questions that have baffled people ever since
> there were people to baffle. People couldn't understand it, so they
> "invented" religion to explain it all.
They believed in something,
> and that helped them to cope with the questions that they couldn't answer
> before.
Now, however, science has come on a long way, and that is now
> starting to explain to us where we came from etc, so religion is needed less and
> less.
Not really. There are theories which explain some of it, but not all. For instance, why do the planet spin?? Why are some planets tilted in such a way?? A lot of is based on luck, and that's a helluva lot of luck.
And they still can't explain where matter came from. At the moment it's when nothing blew up. So really, science is yet to explain where we actually came from, apart from an explosion out of nothing. I'm afraid I can't rely on that, especially when I have personal experiences which say otherwise.
Just for Loki, I found out last night that Darwin did actually die a Christian, as on his deathbed he admitted there were many fundamental flaws in his theories. Take it how you will, and although there are pieces of evidence proving Evolution, there are also flaws. I guess it's up to you then, and it looks like most have gone a different road from me.
Back to science for a minute, I very much doubt we will ever truly know where we came from. Eevn the most technological science will not be able to explain it perfectly, especially where the explosion actually came from.
Some say religion is an invention, or a fairy tale. After some research, I found out that the Big Bang theory was supposedly invented in the 1920s by a science fiction writer (his second name began with G, can't remember anymore) and he then promoted it to the scientific community, and so people who did not believe in religion had some way to answer the questions that as YH put it, baffled mankind.
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