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Although, when thinking of death images of the Grim Reaper, Satan or possibly other disturbing images come to mind, what we have to come to terms with is the real meaning behind it all.
Yesterday, someone from my school died. Someone only 14 years old. With their whole lives in front of them. Even after such events as September 11th, only does the dark reality of it all set in once something becomes more personal.
Not knowing the person, never even spoken to her, but somehow, the experience is somewhat more realistic. It's hard to imagine the result of what her friends are feeling right now, or the people like myself, who never made the attempt to get to know her.
We see the image of death, we gather the information of death from a young age and learn to fear it. We see it in films and might havea chuckle about it, but the reality is something that none of us can prepare ourselves for. There are those in these times, who give their support to the "victims" of this tradegy, there are those just stand by and watch from distance. Then there are those who find it humerous to make sick jokes about the events.
None of us are perfect, most of us are far from it, but we can change. Just trying to imagine, you are never going to see this person, you love, ever again becomes more of a distant dream, blurred up by our perspective in which everything is perfect. Think, how her friends felt, never knowing that this time, will be the last time, in which they say goodbye. Can you think of anything worse? What if you could take the change to know your death, what if you could prevent yourself from this, would you take it?
I think really, this has given me the chance to see what really is important in life. Thinking, when I die, what will there be left to say about me? What achievements will I have achieved in this life? What will I leave behind? What can people learn from me?
Yesterday, someone from my school died. Someone only 14 years old. With their whole lives in front of them. Even after such events as September 11th, only does the dark reality of it all set in once something becomes more personal.
Not knowing the person, never even spoken to her, but somehow, the experience is somewhat more realistic. It's hard to imagine the result of what her friends are feeling right now, or the people like myself, who never made the attempt to get to know her.
We see the image of death, we gather the information of death from a young age and learn to fear it. We see it in films and might havea chuckle about it, but the reality is something that none of us can prepare ourselves for. There are those in these times, who give their support to the "victims" of this tradegy, there are those just stand by and watch from distance. Then there are those who find it humerous to make sick jokes about the events.
None of us are perfect, most of us are far from it, but we can change. Just trying to imagine, you are never going to see this person, you love, ever again becomes more of a distant dream, blurred up by our perspective in which everything is perfect. Think, how her friends felt, never knowing that this time, will be the last time, in which they say goodbye. Can you think of anything worse? What if you could take the change to know your death, what if you could prevent yourself from this, would you take it?
I think really, this has given me the chance to see what really is important in life. Thinking, when I die, what will there be left to say about me? What achievements will I have achieved in this life? What will I leave behind? What can people learn from me?
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And another thing. If miracles occured back in Jesus's day, why don't they now? Why do we not see some guy walking across water? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! The Bible is a work of fiction. Jesus, if Lord of the Rings claimed to be true, would you believe it? Of course not!
Ant wrote:
It's called faith Stryke, and you obviously cannot be bothered with it. You have to rely on science for the answers, when they don't obviously have them.
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I rely on nothing. Sure, I have beliefs in my life, but you found your life on some intangiable being who takes no part in our lifes. It's not that I can't be bothered with it - I have faith in myself. I have faith I'll reach my ambitions. I have faith that I'm in control of my own life.
"Oh, he talks me, I know him" is sod all of an argument, Ant. I could be insane and have voices in my head.
Evolution may have slight flaws, and no doubt the theory will be improved, but NO WAY will I accept that the guy created everything then sat back and said "Right, I'm going to do nowt and let you destroy it. THEN, through no right of mine, I'm going to judge you. HAHAHAHAH, and if i don't like what you did, I'm sending you to Hell. Hehehe, being immortal's a laugh."
Even if he did exist, which he doesn't, what right does he have to judge my life? God, it infuriates me sometimes to see people take the moral high ground "because God says so."
It's called faith Stryke, and you obviously cannot be bothered with it. You have to rely on science for the answers, when they don't obviously have them.
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I rely on nothing. Sure, I have beliefs in my life, but you found your life on some intangiable being who takes no part in our lifes. It's not that I can't be bothered with it - I have faith in myself. I have faith I'll reach my ambitions. I have faith that I'm in control of my own life.
"Oh, he talks me, I know him" is sod all of an argument, Ant. I could be insane and have voices in my head.
Evolution may have slight flaws, and no doubt the theory will be improved, but NO WAY will I accept that the guy created everything then sat back and said "Right, I'm going to do nowt and let you destroy it. THEN, through no right of mine, I'm going to judge you. HAHAHAHAH, and if i don't like what you did, I'm sending you to Hell. Hehehe, being immortal's a laugh."
Even if he did exist, which he doesn't, what right does he have to judge my life? God, it infuriates me sometimes to see people take the moral high ground "because God says so."
*Waves hands*
Girl died. Don't really care about how we got here or why we're here.
Girl died. Don't really care about how we got here or why we're here.
Exacly. Coincidence we got those values? Or not?
You could argue it either way (and many people do).
And the Big bang thing.... I'm a little hazy as to what was 'before' the big bang, but I seem to remember something along the lines of time not existing, and the universe springing into being by some quantum fluctuation.
You could argue it either way (and many people do).
And the Big bang thing.... I'm a little hazy as to what was 'before' the big bang, but I seem to remember something along the lines of time not existing, and the universe springing into being by some quantum fluctuation.
VenomByte wrote:
> Sibs, let me clarify a point.
If the universal ravitational
> constatant was as much as 0.1% different to it's current value, the universe
> would have either collapsed before life could form, or expand too fast for stars
> and galaxies ever to have formed.
That's just ONE of the constants. There are
> at least half a dozen others with the same margin for error
Yes, but is it any harder to believe that this universe was created by a huge explosion and just happened to turn out this way (against the billions to practically 0 odds) than it is to believe that there is some almighty being, existing over thousands of years, in some 'other dimension' where Heaven and Hell exist?
hmmm...
> Sibs, let me clarify a point.
If the universal ravitational
> constatant was as much as 0.1% different to it's current value, the universe
> would have either collapsed before life could form, or expand too fast for stars
> and galaxies ever to have formed.
That's just ONE of the constants. There are
> at least half a dozen others with the same margin for error
Yes, but is it any harder to believe that this universe was created by a huge explosion and just happened to turn out this way (against the billions to practically 0 odds) than it is to believe that there is some almighty being, existing over thousands of years, in some 'other dimension' where Heaven and Hell exist?
hmmm...
oh, and Ant, the thing about evolution, and how we are 'perfect' (I don't think we are, but that's a different argument) well, scientists say we evolved from single celled organisms over millions of years... is it so hard to believe, when we KNOW that ever human starts out as a single cell inside a mothers womb, then it divides and divides until it becomes a human?
Think about it, we all started as single cells inside our mothers' womb, why couldn't single cells have evolved over millions of years into what we are today???
Think about it, we all started as single cells inside our mothers' womb, why couldn't single cells have evolved over millions of years into what we are today???
Ant, we're not perfect... that's why we break limbs, get disease, etc.
And evolution is still taking place... maybe not in such radical ways, but it is...
Oh, and the big bang. It isn't 'there was nothing, then this big explosion' scientists believe that before the big bang there was just a load of gases, swirling around, and then they reacted together (one huge gas cloud and another or maybe several others) reacted, and exploded. The explosion caused the other gas clouds to react, I presume. And that explains red shift.
Red Shift is when we see planets that are far from Earth as red, because they are moving so fast away from us that the light waves are further apart than they should be, causing the planet to appear red. It is easier to imagine the other way round. At opposite ends off the light spectrum are red and green. Now green light waves have waves very close and red have waves very far apart. But if you are travelling EXTREMELY fast then the waves will hit your eye with shorter gaps between them (because you are moving towards the object or vice versa). Same applies the other way. And that is why planets appear red if they are far away. The initial explosion of the big bang still pushes planets away from 'the center of the universe' where the big bang occurred, so planets far away from us are moving so fast away BECAUSE of the still lasting force of the big bang that we see them as red...
hopefully you understood that... if not read it through again slower... it took me a fair few physics lessons to get the idea properly...
Anyway, if the big bang didn't happen, and some God created it all, why is the universe still expanding to this day? Does God just want a bigger area to play around with, or is it because of a gigantuan exlosion still pushing the boundries...?
I think you can guess which one I believe.
And evolution is still taking place... maybe not in such radical ways, but it is...
Oh, and the big bang. It isn't 'there was nothing, then this big explosion' scientists believe that before the big bang there was just a load of gases, swirling around, and then they reacted together (one huge gas cloud and another or maybe several others) reacted, and exploded. The explosion caused the other gas clouds to react, I presume. And that explains red shift.
Red Shift is when we see planets that are far from Earth as red, because they are moving so fast away from us that the light waves are further apart than they should be, causing the planet to appear red. It is easier to imagine the other way round. At opposite ends off the light spectrum are red and green. Now green light waves have waves very close and red have waves very far apart. But if you are travelling EXTREMELY fast then the waves will hit your eye with shorter gaps between them (because you are moving towards the object or vice versa). Same applies the other way. And that is why planets appear red if they are far away. The initial explosion of the big bang still pushes planets away from 'the center of the universe' where the big bang occurred, so planets far away from us are moving so fast away BECAUSE of the still lasting force of the big bang that we see them as red...
hopefully you understood that... if not read it through again slower... it took me a fair few physics lessons to get the idea properly...
Anyway, if the big bang didn't happen, and some God created it all, why is the universe still expanding to this day? Does God just want a bigger area to play around with, or is it because of a gigantuan exlosion still pushing the boundries...?
I think you can guess which one I believe.
Sibs wrote:
> I have often thought... doesn't it seem all too convenient? That this world
> turned out PERFECTLY for human life... and that all those gases before the
> universe was created, just a load of gases, in the middle of nothing... reacted
> in such a way that they perfectly created all theses planets, and a whole
> universe of stars, orbiting planets, moons, asteroids, etc. etc.
Think about that more Sibs. What are the chances, that an explosion from no where, from nothing, would cause all this??
Even thr human body is mind-boggling. How come we've been created like this?? Is it by a fluke that our heart pumps blood around the body?? Is it by fluke that muscles and bones are placed perfectly for us to move?? Some will say Evolution, but even then it's hard to think that we could turn out so perfect.
> I have often thought... doesn't it seem all too convenient? That this world
> turned out PERFECTLY for human life... and that all those gases before the
> universe was created, just a load of gases, in the middle of nothing... reacted
> in such a way that they perfectly created all theses planets, and a whole
> universe of stars, orbiting planets, moons, asteroids, etc. etc.
Think about that more Sibs. What are the chances, that an explosion from no where, from nothing, would cause all this??
Even thr human body is mind-boggling. How come we've been created like this?? Is it by a fluke that our heart pumps blood around the body?? Is it by fluke that muscles and bones are placed perfectly for us to move?? Some will say Evolution, but even then it's hard to think that we could turn out so perfect.
Oh, scientists know it all do they??
Bollards Stryke, total bollards. The Big Bang, where did it come from?? Explain that. "There was nothing...then a massive explosion."
Yeah...right.
There are also flaws in the Evolution theory, but that's up to you whether you believe it or not.
It's called faith Stryke, and you obviously cannot be bothered with it. You have to rely on science for the answers, when they don't obviously have them.
What do you know about Christianity?? "Oh, I've read the Bible." That means nothing. People can know everything about the Bible, but if they don't know Jesus then...
And Badgerman, miracles are performed all the time, believe me. Maybe not massive ones, and really only people who believe will see these miracles.
Here's a small story for you. Around a year ago, a guy who was known as Taz hated Christianity. He wanted to live his own life. He met the youth leader at our Church, and was persuaded to go to the Youth Club there. He met new friends, some of them Christians. At the Christian Youth Group, myself and about 10 other people all prayed for him.
Now, he is coming regularly to our Christian Group, and although he still tries to deny what happens, he doesn't really know why he suddenly decided to come. When told that we prayed for him a couple of weeks before, he had no reply.
Co-incidence?? I don't think so, especially when the same thing has happened to a few other people in our group who live in the rough part of my town.
And the WTC Disaster?? What was God supposed to do?? Grab the plane out of midair?? It was man's choice to do that, and the men that caused that tragedy will pay for it, trust me.
Bollards Stryke, total bollards. The Big Bang, where did it come from?? Explain that. "There was nothing...then a massive explosion."
Yeah...right.
There are also flaws in the Evolution theory, but that's up to you whether you believe it or not.
It's called faith Stryke, and you obviously cannot be bothered with it. You have to rely on science for the answers, when they don't obviously have them.
What do you know about Christianity?? "Oh, I've read the Bible." That means nothing. People can know everything about the Bible, but if they don't know Jesus then...
And Badgerman, miracles are performed all the time, believe me. Maybe not massive ones, and really only people who believe will see these miracles.
Here's a small story for you. Around a year ago, a guy who was known as Taz hated Christianity. He wanted to live his own life. He met the youth leader at our Church, and was persuaded to go to the Youth Club there. He met new friends, some of them Christians. At the Christian Youth Group, myself and about 10 other people all prayed for him.
Now, he is coming regularly to our Christian Group, and although he still tries to deny what happens, he doesn't really know why he suddenly decided to come. When told that we prayed for him a couple of weeks before, he had no reply.
Co-incidence?? I don't think so, especially when the same thing has happened to a few other people in our group who live in the rough part of my town.
And the WTC Disaster?? What was God supposed to do?? Grab the plane out of midair?? It was man's choice to do that, and the men that caused that tragedy will pay for it, trust me.
VenomByte wrote:
>ravitational constatant
Gravitational Constant
Danm my spelling!
>ravitational constatant
Gravitational Constant
Danm my spelling!
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