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Wed 23/01/02 at 19:58
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Although, when thinking of death images of the Grim Reaper, Satan or possibly other disturbing images come to mind, what we have to come to terms with is the real meaning behind it all.

Yesterday, someone from my school died. Someone only 14 years old. With their whole lives in front of them. Even after such events as September 11th, only does the dark reality of it all set in once something becomes more personal.

Not knowing the person, never even spoken to her, but somehow, the experience is somewhat more realistic. It's hard to imagine the result of what her friends are feeling right now, or the people like myself, who never made the attempt to get to know her.

We see the image of death, we gather the information of death from a young age and learn to fear it. We see it in films and might havea chuckle about it, but the reality is something that none of us can prepare ourselves for. There are those in these times, who give their support to the "victims" of this tradegy, there are those just stand by and watch from distance. Then there are those who find it humerous to make sick jokes about the events.

None of us are perfect, most of us are far from it, but we can change. Just trying to imagine, you are never going to see this person, you love, ever again becomes more of a distant dream, blurred up by our perspective in which everything is perfect. Think, how her friends felt, never knowing that this time, will be the last time, in which they say goodbye. Can you think of anything worse? What if you could take the change to know your death, what if you could prevent yourself from this, would you take it?

I think really, this has given me the chance to see what really is important in life. Thinking, when I die, what will there be left to say about me? What achievements will I have achieved in this life? What will I leave behind? What can people learn from me?
Sun 27/01/02 at 23:23
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There's always the thoery that the two viewpoints agree....

Day 1 & 2: Light and darkness were separated, the heavens and the Earth were separated
Darkness before big bang, light after. Creation of our universe could be the separation of the heavens.

Day 3 & 4: Dry land and plants were created, Sun, moon and stars too.
Formation of galaxies and planet systems

Day 5: Fish and birds
First creatures evolve.

Day 6: Other animals and human beings were created
Humans evolve last.
Sun 27/01/02 at 22:56
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Dav1d wrote:
> Just a quick question Ant.....

If I was to prove to you that God doesnt
> exist, would you still believe in him/her?

I can't really answer that until you explain how you would disprove him...

So Ortega was right, a bir of a stupid question really. ;D
Sun 27/01/02 at 22:54
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Sibs wrote:
> sorry sorry sorry...

but just ONE more thing... if the big bang never
> happened how do you explain all that red shift stuff I said about?

Just one more thing from me too about the Red Shift.

http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/01-ma8.htm

Go there, and in the middle of the page is some stuff disproving the Red Shift.

:P
Sun 27/01/02 at 21:00
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But What if God helped the Science so they worked together, so they both made the world.

Eh eh, I bet you didn't think of that did you, eh eh.

*Scrolls down, see this there..*

:-)

They worked together. Ok?
Sun 27/01/02 at 20:48
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sorry sorry sorry...

but just ONE more thing... if the big bang never happened how do you explain all that red shift stuff I said about?
Sun 27/01/02 at 20:34
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OK, I will stop arguing about this Science V Religion stuff for now, as it is off the subject of this topic, but if it does come up again in another topic, and is the actual subject of the topic, it'll be a no mercy bout ;-)

Just leave you with one thought about death though... when you do die, do you want to be happy and content that you have done everything you have wanted to in your life? Do you want to feel you have led a 'good' life regardless of the consequences if you hadn't? Do you even think we suffer any consequences when we die? Is death the end of us, or a release from this mixed world, full of love and hate, joy and anguish, pain and elation, hope and fear...
Sun 27/01/02 at 19:41
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Maybe it is a stupid question but then who asked you for your opinion? :p
Sun 27/01/02 at 19:33
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Bit of a stupid question really...If he didnt exist how could you believe in him? I suppose you could disagree with the evidence...
Sun 27/01/02 at 19:26
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Just a quick question Ant.....

If I was to prove to you that God doesnt exist, would you still believe in him/her?
Sun 27/01/02 at 19:16
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Grix Thraves wrote:
> The views expressed here are of Grix Thraves, and are in no mean to upset or
> irritate anyone.

You use the arguement "Oh, so there was just a big bang
> and the universe existed..."... but what about God? Where did he come
> from?

If it said in the Bible that "there was a big bang and God
> appeared", you would argue for that down to the ground, would you not?

Ah, but it doesn't. {:)

The Big Bang is a fairy tale invented by scientists desperate to work out why we're here. As Darkness said, even some scientists don't believe in the Big Bang, and there are many reasons for that (VB gave me a whole website full of them.)

Personally, I don't think we'll ever know. There's parts of evidence that the Bible is true and that God made the World, and yet many don't believe it mainly because it's too hard for them to believe-defies laws of physics, sounds like a fairy tale etc. There's parts of evidence for the Big Bang, but some don't believe in it because there are reasons to disprove it, and because they have other faiths.

So really, I think it's pointless. We'll never know, because no one was there to actually witness it.

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