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Well Well then it appears that Splinter Cell the so called Xbox exclusive was infact a multi platform game from the very beginning and infact the developers actually wanted to make sure they could achieve the same level of detail on the PS2 and GC games otherwise they would have never have started the project.
Infact the PS2 version has extras, that are geared more towards the PS2 user as they demand more and have higher skill level, not my words but the actual developers comments.
Then again I can imagine that it's a hard game for Xbox users because of their poorly designed controllers.
Infact the PS2 version has extras, that are geared more towards the PS2 user as they demand more and have higher skill level, not my words but the actual developers comments.
Then again I can imagine that it's a hard game for Xbox users because of their poorly designed controllers.
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Shadow Knight wrote:
> Top score wrote:
> Dringo reckons GC games are cheaper to buy £30 thats funny
> because most of the GC games on SR are well over £30 and are
> generally more expensive than PS2 games.
>
> So not only do you pay more, but you don't get dvd and suffer poor
> sound because of compression you Ninty losers really do like getting
> shafted.
>
> and what if some of them already have DVD players?
>
> i think if Nintendo can put quality games onto a cartaridge then i'm
> sure there is room on a small disk, have you ever seen a hardrive?
> about the size of a gameboy but they can store about 60 GB of data so
> memory compresstion isn't a problem these days.
I think the point being made is the extra space on a dvd-rom for data such as bigger games, rather than compatibility with dvd video (movies).
Hard disc drives are small and hold lots of data (60Gb for example), but GC doesn't use that, it has a custom optical disc media with a maximum capacity of 1.5Gb. A single layer single sided DVD-ROM disc holds 4.25Gb. A dual layer single sided DVD-ROM can hold 8.5Gb.
> Top score wrote:
> Dringo reckons GC games are cheaper to buy £30 thats funny
> because most of the GC games on SR are well over £30 and are
> generally more expensive than PS2 games.
>
> So not only do you pay more, but you don't get dvd and suffer poor
> sound because of compression you Ninty losers really do like getting
> shafted.
>
> and what if some of them already have DVD players?
>
> i think if Nintendo can put quality games onto a cartaridge then i'm
> sure there is room on a small disk, have you ever seen a hardrive?
> about the size of a gameboy but they can store about 60 GB of data so
> memory compresstion isn't a problem these days.
I think the point being made is the extra space on a dvd-rom for data such as bigger games, rather than compatibility with dvd video (movies).
Hard disc drives are small and hold lots of data (60Gb for example), but GC doesn't use that, it has a custom optical disc media with a maximum capacity of 1.5Gb. A single layer single sided DVD-ROM disc holds 4.25Gb. A dual layer single sided DVD-ROM can hold 8.5Gb.
Top score wrote:
> Dringo reckons GC games are cheaper to buy £30 thats funny
> because most of the GC games on SR are well over £30 and are
> generally more expensive than PS2 games.
>
> So not only do you pay more, but you don't get dvd and suffer poor
> sound because of compression you Ninty losers really do like getting
> shafted.
and what if some of them already have DVD players?
i think if Nintendo can put quality games onto a cartaridge then i'm sure there is room on a small disk, have you ever seen a hardrive? about the size of a gameboy but they can store about 60 GB of data so memory compresstion isn't a problem these days.
> Dringo reckons GC games are cheaper to buy £30 thats funny
> because most of the GC games on SR are well over £30 and are
> generally more expensive than PS2 games.
>
> So not only do you pay more, but you don't get dvd and suffer poor
> sound because of compression you Ninty losers really do like getting
> shafted.
and what if some of them already have DVD players?
i think if Nintendo can put quality games onto a cartaridge then i'm sure there is room on a small disk, have you ever seen a hardrive? about the size of a gameboy but they can store about 60 GB of data so memory compresstion isn't a problem these days.
Dringo reckons GC games are cheaper to buy £30 thats funny because most of the GC games on SR are well over £30 and are generally more expensive than PS2 games.
So not only do you pay more, but you don't get dvd and suffer poor sound because of compression you Ninty losers really do like getting shafted.
So not only do you pay more, but you don't get dvd and suffer poor sound because of compression you Ninty losers really do like getting shafted.
Dringo wrote:
Utter Utter utter Bullocks. The gamecube discs are cheaper than the
X-box and PS2 ones... so buying 2 or even 3 discs will equate to one
DVD...
You make me laugh with your shallow and unfounded arguments for a start it cost more to produce the GC discs because it is not standard tooling like cd's and dvd's then there is the printing everything is gear towards the standard 12cm discs not your none standard GC disc so infact you are wrong because it costs more.
Then there are the developers most large games like MGS2 and inparticular recently Rally Fusion have refused to produce for the GC because of the hassle of trying to compress onto GC very limited disc space. Then there are the problems that come with compressing data it provides a real headache for developers.
If Xbox and PS2 wanted to compress data onto dvd they could go down the dual layer route 8.5gig suck on that Nintendo.
It is the same mistake all over again and even the President had to admit that the GC has been damage by the lack of dvd capability and that is why it is languishing in 3rd spot, not to mention lack of quality games.
Utter Utter utter Bullocks. The gamecube discs are cheaper than the
X-box and PS2 ones... so buying 2 or even 3 discs will equate to one
DVD...
You make me laugh with your shallow and unfounded arguments for a start it cost more to produce the GC discs because it is not standard tooling like cd's and dvd's then there is the printing everything is gear towards the standard 12cm discs not your none standard GC disc so infact you are wrong because it costs more.
Then there are the developers most large games like MGS2 and inparticular recently Rally Fusion have refused to produce for the GC because of the hassle of trying to compress onto GC very limited disc space. Then there are the problems that come with compressing data it provides a real headache for developers.
If Xbox and PS2 wanted to compress data onto dvd they could go down the dual layer route 8.5gig suck on that Nintendo.
It is the same mistake all over again and even the President had to admit that the GC has been damage by the lack of dvd capability and that is why it is languishing in 3rd spot, not to mention lack of quality games.
CD, DVD, VCD, and Nintendo's GC Disc's are all optical.
Top score wrote:
> Maddmum I would like to see you try and fit GTA VC, GT and MGS2 on one
> GC disc go on I dare you.
Well actually after reading an article I've discovered that is easily possible. You see if you want to use the Gamecube's full graphical capabilities for MGS2 then it probably won't fit on an "uncompressed" disc... but considering it doesn't take the Gamecube much to simulate PS2 graphics then it can easily fit onto a Gamecube disc as it doesn't eat up much space inorder for the Cube to process it.
Of course if you compress it its nearly equals the size of a DVD. Of course most Gamecube exclusive games don't have ANY loading because of the optical disc. Of course Sony and Microsoft are losing millions on piracy whilst Nintendo aren't and naturally Nintendo gamers get cheaper games. But you go around harking on about how the DVD is so big... afterall it takes a LOT to fill a Gamecube disc anyway.
MGS substance is not coming out on GC
> because it won't fit on the one disc and Konami have refused to pay
> the extra it costs in tooling and print to produced the game over two
> discs and they are not the only company that have done that.
Utter Utter utter Bullocks. The gamecube discs are cheaper than the X-box and PS2 ones... so buying 2 or even 3 discs will equate to one DVD...
> Maddmum I would like to see you try and fit GTA VC, GT and MGS2 on one
> GC disc go on I dare you.
Well actually after reading an article I've discovered that is easily possible. You see if you want to use the Gamecube's full graphical capabilities for MGS2 then it probably won't fit on an "uncompressed" disc... but considering it doesn't take the Gamecube much to simulate PS2 graphics then it can easily fit onto a Gamecube disc as it doesn't eat up much space inorder for the Cube to process it.
Of course if you compress it its nearly equals the size of a DVD. Of course most Gamecube exclusive games don't have ANY loading because of the optical disc. Of course Sony and Microsoft are losing millions on piracy whilst Nintendo aren't and naturally Nintendo gamers get cheaper games. But you go around harking on about how the DVD is so big... afterall it takes a LOT to fill a Gamecube disc anyway.
MGS substance is not coming out on GC
> because it won't fit on the one disc and Konami have refused to pay
> the extra it costs in tooling and print to produced the game over two
> discs and they are not the only company that have done that.
Utter Utter utter Bullocks. The gamecube discs are cheaper than the X-box and PS2 ones... so buying 2 or even 3 discs will equate to one DVD...
Your Honour wrote:
> Splinter Cell was designed for Xbox first, other consoles second.
> Which is why it came out on Xbox first, obviously...
Actually X-box signed a deal... each game is being worked on by indepedant teams... each version despite using the same engine is based around the individual games hardware. If the controls are crap its because the developers have messed up not because it was based around the X-box pad. Although I am totally on your side.
> Splinter Cell was designed for Xbox first, other consoles second.
> Which is why it came out on Xbox first, obviously...
Actually X-box signed a deal... each game is being worked on by indepedant teams... each version despite using the same engine is based around the individual games hardware. If the controls are crap its because the developers have messed up not because it was based around the X-box pad. Although I am totally on your side.
Top score wrote:
> Lets face it the only way you would get any extra features let alone
> the 30mins extra intro sequence on that pathetic GC disc is by
> spreading it across two discs. For the dump among you namely
> Whitestripes 1.5gig is a lot less than 4.25gig.
Yep but Splinter Cell can fit in that.
The PS2 has extras and cruddy blokey graphics... good for the PS2 mind.
X-box has a high polygon ration and different extras to the PS2 version downloadable from X-box live.
Gamecube has better and smoother graphics than the PS2 but not the X-box but it does use some 'special effects' from the Gamecube that the X-box and PS2 version does not use. It also has the same ammount of extras as the other two version but again different extras to both the PS2's and X-box's.
Top Score yes Gamecube discs don't hold as much data but it can be compressed... you'll never really fill a full DVD and compressing the data on a cube doesn't damage sound that much. The small discs also stop piracy, they are cheaper to make which is why new Nintendo games can be bought for £30 and due to their size also means loading is a lot faster.
> Lets face it the only way you would get any extra features let alone
> the 30mins extra intro sequence on that pathetic GC disc is by
> spreading it across two discs. For the dump among you namely
> Whitestripes 1.5gig is a lot less than 4.25gig.
Yep but Splinter Cell can fit in that.
The PS2 has extras and cruddy blokey graphics... good for the PS2 mind.
X-box has a high polygon ration and different extras to the PS2 version downloadable from X-box live.
Gamecube has better and smoother graphics than the PS2 but not the X-box but it does use some 'special effects' from the Gamecube that the X-box and PS2 version does not use. It also has the same ammount of extras as the other two version but again different extras to both the PS2's and X-box's.
Top Score yes Gamecube discs don't hold as much data but it can be compressed... you'll never really fill a full DVD and compressing the data on a cube doesn't damage sound that much. The small discs also stop piracy, they are cheaper to make which is why new Nintendo games can be bought for £30 and due to their size also means loading is a lot faster.
Both PS2 and GC versions will be getting exclusive levels and extras, on top of the X-Box game. For the X-Box's own set of treats, you need an X-Box LIVE set-up to download them.
Top Score, out of interest, may I ask how old you are?
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