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For the first time in years, there are more than two serious consoles hitting the market. Even more amazingly, two of these consoles are launching head-to-head, and the other is extremely well established... both with brand name and games.
So, not only has Nintendo got to compete with Sony (again!), but this time Microsoft have joined the scene. Add to that, the PS2 has had two Christmases worth of sales, and a huge repetoire of games, and the Xbox has a huge marketting budget (and a strong launch to go).
Clearly, Nintendo cannot compete with Microsoft on the TV screens- they simply don't ahve the money for that.
Oh no... Ninty have a far greater weapon at their disposly- games. And lots of them. With characters and franchises ranging from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Kirby you wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo launched the Gamecube with the best line up of AAA titles seen...
In fact, I thought Nintendo had gone one better when they announced, a while back, that they had given the rights to many of their games away. Metroid, Smash Brothers and Starfox, amongst others, were to have sequals made by developers outside Nintendo. This would then enable Nintendo to concentrate on making some of the most spectacular games ever. Maybe a new Zelda for launch? Maybe something totally new!
But alas, things seem to be crumbling. First we hear news of Ninty's in house games. It turns out that Mario and Zelda will be absent from launch, to be replaced by a couple of weaker games. Ok, so the in house games are good fun, no doubt, BUT will these attract gamers to buy the Gamcube. Methinks not.
Nor will the news of a new Zelda wet gamers appetites- 90% of gamers are the casual sort who will buy a console on brandname alone, and don't read multiformat mags. How are Nintendo going to get these gamers to part with their PS2s, and buy a console that looks like a kids toy? (Sorry, but the console doesn't look "serious".)
OH! And things get worse!...
Those franchised games Ninty have given out aren't all they were promised to be.
At Spaceworld, there was a big absence of Metroid clips- only 8 seconds of the game were shown. Asked why this was, Mr. Miyamoto had to admit that he'd only got the code for the game just before the show, and he wasn't impressed by what he saw. The game had bad pop-up, no sound, was not interactive, and certainly wasn't worth the months of work that had been spent on it. (I believe the game was 8 months into developent at this time!). In fact, the whole future of the game looked on a knife edge.
The other games Ninty had handed out were all good, but many were so far from ready that you wonder why Nintendo didn't just make one of these games themselves to get it out at launch.
Before Nintendo fans throw a riot, let me just saya few things:
1) I am only talking about launch titles
2) I'm a huge Miyamoto fan and will be buying a GC myself
3) This topic is MEANT to cause discussion.
Oh, and remember, all the titles that miss release will come out eventually. So those Zeldas and Marios will certainly mean the console is a great piece of kit. That;s not what I'm arguing about.
I just want to know where all of Ninty's time has gone? They've given away many of their big games, has ages to make a killer titles, and instead they come out with Pikmin... fun, but not AAA by any means.
Sonic
So, not only has Nintendo got to compete with Sony (again!), but this time Microsoft have joined the scene. Add to that, the PS2 has had two Christmases worth of sales, and a huge repetoire of games, and the Xbox has a huge marketting budget (and a strong launch to go).
Clearly, Nintendo cannot compete with Microsoft on the TV screens- they simply don't ahve the money for that.
Oh no... Ninty have a far greater weapon at their disposly- games. And lots of them. With characters and franchises ranging from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Kirby you wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo launched the Gamecube with the best line up of AAA titles seen...
In fact, I thought Nintendo had gone one better when they announced, a while back, that they had given the rights to many of their games away. Metroid, Smash Brothers and Starfox, amongst others, were to have sequals made by developers outside Nintendo. This would then enable Nintendo to concentrate on making some of the most spectacular games ever. Maybe a new Zelda for launch? Maybe something totally new!
But alas, things seem to be crumbling. First we hear news of Ninty's in house games. It turns out that Mario and Zelda will be absent from launch, to be replaced by a couple of weaker games. Ok, so the in house games are good fun, no doubt, BUT will these attract gamers to buy the Gamcube. Methinks not.
Nor will the news of a new Zelda wet gamers appetites- 90% of gamers are the casual sort who will buy a console on brandname alone, and don't read multiformat mags. How are Nintendo going to get these gamers to part with their PS2s, and buy a console that looks like a kids toy? (Sorry, but the console doesn't look "serious".)
OH! And things get worse!...
Those franchised games Ninty have given out aren't all they were promised to be.
At Spaceworld, there was a big absence of Metroid clips- only 8 seconds of the game were shown. Asked why this was, Mr. Miyamoto had to admit that he'd only got the code for the game just before the show, and he wasn't impressed by what he saw. The game had bad pop-up, no sound, was not interactive, and certainly wasn't worth the months of work that had been spent on it. (I believe the game was 8 months into developent at this time!). In fact, the whole future of the game looked on a knife edge.
The other games Ninty had handed out were all good, but many were so far from ready that you wonder why Nintendo didn't just make one of these games themselves to get it out at launch.
Before Nintendo fans throw a riot, let me just saya few things:
1) I am only talking about launch titles
2) I'm a huge Miyamoto fan and will be buying a GC myself
3) This topic is MEANT to cause discussion.
Oh, and remember, all the titles that miss release will come out eventually. So those Zeldas and Marios will certainly mean the console is a great piece of kit. That;s not what I'm arguing about.
I just want to know where all of Ninty's time has gone? They've given away many of their big games, has ages to make a killer titles, and instead they come out with Pikmin... fun, but not AAA by any means.
Sonic
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Edgy wrote:
> Game Boy Advance is a games console, just one with it's own built in screen. If
> you say that it isn't a console, then you might just as well call the PSOne a
> Lapheld console as you can play that on your lap and use it's add-on screen
> (which is just a little bit bigger than the GBA's)
Oh for God's sake...
The GBA and regular consoles like the PS2, GC and Xbox just can't be compared. If you offer a 100 people to choose betwen a free GBA or a PS2, GC or Xbox, seriously how many people would choose a GBA? It's be a miricle if it went into double figures.
> Game Boy Advance is a games console, just one with it's own built in screen. If
> you say that it isn't a console, then you might just as well call the PSOne a
> Lapheld console as you can play that on your lap and use it's add-on screen
> (which is just a little bit bigger than the GBA's)
Oh for God's sake...
The GBA and regular consoles like the PS2, GC and Xbox just can't be compared. If you offer a 100 people to choose betwen a free GBA or a PS2, GC or Xbox, seriously how many people would choose a GBA? It's be a miricle if it went into double figures.
Why don't Nintendo buy Sony out? It just doesn't work that way.
If SCE fails massively then it's not much problem. The chances of them bringing Sony as a whole down are very small (not that it would anyway). Also, Sony have a lot riding on SCE. If they make a minor loss it doesn't really matter. Anyway, as I say, it would cost an absolute bomb to break SCE up so it would have to be a pretty big loss to bring them down.
If SCE fails massively then it's not much problem. The chances of them bringing Sony as a whole down are very small (not that it would anyway). Also, Sony have a lot riding on SCE. If they make a minor loss it doesn't really matter. Anyway, as I say, it would cost an absolute bomb to break SCE up so it would have to be a pretty big loss to bring them down.
Game Boy Advance is a games console, just one with it's own built in screen. If you say that it isn't a console, then you might just as well call the PSOne a Lapheld console as you can play that on your lap and use it's add-on screen (which is just a little bit bigger than the GBA's)
And the fact Nintendo wouldn't sell.
And Dringo your right.
And Turbonutter, You said earlier that Gameboy ADV cant be classed as a proper console. Well stop referring to the Sony Corporation as a whole, instead compare Sony Computer Entertainment to Nintendo Co Ltd and measure the differences there.
And Nintendo is absolutely huge!
So huge that I'll ask the question, Why does Sony not Buy Nintendo out?
Simply because they can't afford to.
And Turbonutter, You said earlier that Gameboy ADV cant be classed as a proper console. Well stop referring to the Sony Corporation as a whole, instead compare Sony Computer Entertainment to Nintendo Co Ltd and measure the differences there.
And Nintendo is absolutely huge!
So huge that I'll ask the question, Why does Sony not Buy Nintendo out?
Simply because they can't afford to.
Cds Im not sure about, but Mini Discs definately.
And I must mention I have Sony Floppy Discs from SONY MEDIA!
And I must mention I have Sony Floppy Discs from SONY MEDIA!
Sméagol wrote:
> Soul Calibur 2 looks really good. And guess how good it looks. Apparently the
> Gamecube version will look the best of the consoles.
As for Madden on XBOX, GC
> and PS2, Madden on GC comes out top too.
As does FIFA.
Now Turbonutter you misunderstand how things work if something makes a loss don't sell it i.e. the Dreamcast. Sony make tonnes of money via CD players etc... but if the PS2 goes into the red (which it won't) it will pull it out same with Microsoft. Meanwhile Nintendo have games, you see if Nintendo only sold lets say Gamecubes and it sold poorly they might falter whilst if those who bought a GC pay tonnes for the games Nintendo may still be making a profit and without the GC they cant make a profit from the GC games.
e.g. Gamecube Profits: minus £1 million
Gamecube game profits: Plus £1.5 million.
So from the Gamecube Nintendo are making a profit of .5 million meanwhile if the PS2 makes a loss Sony don't make much money from the games that appear on the system same to an extent with Microsoft. Nintendo's position is better ad they have two incomes from the same area.
> Soul Calibur 2 looks really good. And guess how good it looks. Apparently the
> Gamecube version will look the best of the consoles.
As for Madden on XBOX, GC
> and PS2, Madden on GC comes out top too.
As does FIFA.
Now Turbonutter you misunderstand how things work if something makes a loss don't sell it i.e. the Dreamcast. Sony make tonnes of money via CD players etc... but if the PS2 goes into the red (which it won't) it will pull it out same with Microsoft. Meanwhile Nintendo have games, you see if Nintendo only sold lets say Gamecubes and it sold poorly they might falter whilst if those who bought a GC pay tonnes for the games Nintendo may still be making a profit and without the GC they cant make a profit from the GC games.
e.g. Gamecube Profits: minus £1 million
Gamecube game profits: Plus £1.5 million.
So from the Gamecube Nintendo are making a profit of .5 million meanwhile if the PS2 makes a loss Sony don't make much money from the games that appear on the system same to an extent with Microsoft. Nintendo's position is better ad they have two incomes from the same area.
Sméagol wrote:
> Sony own a share in the manufacturing of 'ALL' DVD's
> alongside Philips.
For EVERY DVD sold Sony get a percentage cut! Which is
> one of the reasons why Nintendo got Panasonic to produce unique 'Mini-DVD's'
> rather than Sony making money from Gamecube games.
The same goes for CDs and minidiscs, you know.
> Sony own a share in the manufacturing of 'ALL' DVD's
> alongside Philips.
For EVERY DVD sold Sony get a percentage cut! Which is
> one of the reasons why Nintendo got Panasonic to produce unique 'Mini-DVD's'
> rather than Sony making money from Gamecube games.
The same goes for CDs and minidiscs, you know.
I think it would be suicide for Sony to leave the console market, basically because, right now, they rule it. Also, the SCEE department is so HUGE it would cost more to break it up than the money they've made.
And Sony own Columbia pictures, makers of Men in Black etc etc
Then there is 'Sony Classical' distributors and publishers of The 'Star Wars' saga film score Albums on CD.
PLUS
Sony own a share in the manufacturing of 'ALL' DVD's alongside Philips.
For EVERY DVD sold Sony get a percentage cut! Which is one of the reasons why Nintendo got Panasonic to produce unique 'Mini-DVD's' rather than Sony making money from Gamecube games.
Then there is 'Sony Classical' distributors and publishers of The 'Star Wars' saga film score Albums on CD.
PLUS
Sony own a share in the manufacturing of 'ALL' DVD's alongside Philips.
For EVERY DVD sold Sony get a percentage cut! Which is one of the reasons why Nintendo got Panasonic to produce unique 'Mini-DVD's' rather than Sony making money from Gamecube games.
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