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Nintendo - seller of games to children, or evil child corruptor?
Take doom for GBA. In its day, doom was the most violent game ever made. It was resident evil and half life in one.
Even today people try to use it as an example of a 'bad' game.
All nintendo have done to make sure they can sell this game to little 5 year olds is make the blood green and the bodies fade. Toddlers will still be chain gun cha-cha ing imps to death, and playing with the BFG. No one under 8 should be allowed near this game. There is a limit people. I wouldnt let my little nephew play resident evil, it would mess him up ALOT. Censorship is over done these days, but small children do need protecting.
Take doom for GBA. In its day, doom was the most violent game ever made. It was resident evil and half life in one.
Even today people try to use it as an example of a 'bad' game.
All nintendo have done to make sure they can sell this game to little 5 year olds is make the blood green and the bodies fade. Toddlers will still be chain gun cha-cha ing imps to death, and playing with the BFG. No one under 8 should be allowed near this game. There is a limit people. I wouldnt let my little nephew play resident evil, it would mess him up ALOT. Censorship is over done these days, but small children do need protecting.
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but is it Nintendo making the decisions? It is the publisher is it not, who would make decisions on blood colour etc. and I don't think (not sure tho) Nintendo published Doom. (not really the kind of game they normally publish)
how pointless is this?
well if you care about small children it has quite a good point.
Obviously you dont.
well if you care about small children it has quite a good point.
Obviously you dont.
Edwin25 wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> Edwin25 wrote:
> Sorry, but doom is too violent for 5 year
> olds. Green blood
> is still blood.
>
Censorship is stupid for over
> 15 year olds or even 14
> year olds
but
> little kids do need some
> protection.
Ok, lets go by
> your example....
Doom is too violent for
> 5 year olds.
True.
However
> Doom isn't designed for 5 year olds is
> it? Just because it's on a Nintendo
> machine, it doesn't mean every child
> in the world is going to buy this
> game.
Hello! nintendo - 80% of their
> market share are 11 year olds or younger.
Doom, as someone has already said,
> was released on the Playstation. Now
> the Playstation, in it's day, was the
> best selling console (other than the
> handheld GBC) and so many kids
> would've had it. So many kids would've had the
> opportunity to buy the game
> then and play it.
Yes but a 15 bbfc rating does stop almost all of them. I
> was asked to prove my age right up until i was 14.
Not to mention the PC.
> In
> Guinness Book of Records '97, it mentions Doom to be the most well
> known PC game
> of all time! That's because there have been so many
> re-releases, shareware
> versions, freeware versions that it has become so
> widespread. So, even though
> the PC version had an 18 certificate (IDKFA
> anyone?) it was still played by
> younger kids then.
IDKFA? and i thought
> doom was always a 15? still, the 18 rating stopped alot of kids playing
> it.
So does that mean we should stop making violent games on
> the
> off-chance that kids might play them?
hmmm....let me see what that
> would
> mean.....
Goodbye Resident Evil series Defenetly
Goodbye Metal
> Gear Solid
> series /What KILLING TERROISTS the US would endorse the
> game.
Goodbye ALL FPS's/ Nerf arena?
Goodbye Super Mario games (there is a
> mild degree of
> violence in Mario games) Liar
Goodbye Tomb Raider series
> (Wahoo!) (like thats gory)
Goodbye
> RTS's
Goodbye Sci-Fi Flight
> Sims
Goodbye to a large range of other types of
> games not mentioned
> here.
Let me just remind you that young children have
> also had the
> opportunity to play Doom on the Atari systems (either Lynx or
>
> Jaguar...can't remember which), SNES, Mega Drive, and many other consoles
> and
> computers that have been available in the past. There are so many
> violent games
> out now that it'd be hard for a parent to pick the right
> sort of game for a
> young child.
If its a 15 a kid cant buy it. Its up to
> the parents.
There are some games that a 5 year old could play for the
> GBA
> instead of Doom:
Jurassic Park III: Park Builder
Super Mario
> Advance
Tony
> Hawks Pro Skater 2
Denki Blocks
Harry Potter
and many
> more.
So don't worry
> about what kids are playing what, chances are that
> with the lack of supervision
> parents give nowadays, they've already played
> a lot worse!
Yes, but i still say little kids (ie under 10) should be prevented
> as far as possible from playing doom. Wouldnt you prfer the 15 bbfc rating and
> the red blood anyway?
how pointless is this?
> Edgy wrote:
> Edwin25 wrote:
> Sorry, but doom is too violent for 5 year
> olds. Green blood
> is still blood.
>
Censorship is stupid for over
> 15 year olds or even 14
> year olds
but
> little kids do need some
> protection.
Ok, lets go by
> your example....
Doom is too violent for
> 5 year olds.
True.
However
> Doom isn't designed for 5 year olds is
> it? Just because it's on a Nintendo
> machine, it doesn't mean every child
> in the world is going to buy this
> game.
Hello! nintendo - 80% of their
> market share are 11 year olds or younger.
Doom, as someone has already said,
> was released on the Playstation. Now
> the Playstation, in it's day, was the
> best selling console (other than the
> handheld GBC) and so many kids
> would've had it. So many kids would've had the
> opportunity to buy the game
> then and play it.
Yes but a 15 bbfc rating does stop almost all of them. I
> was asked to prove my age right up until i was 14.
Not to mention the PC.
> In
> Guinness Book of Records '97, it mentions Doom to be the most well
> known PC game
> of all time! That's because there have been so many
> re-releases, shareware
> versions, freeware versions that it has become so
> widespread. So, even though
> the PC version had an 18 certificate (IDKFA
> anyone?) it was still played by
> younger kids then.
IDKFA? and i thought
> doom was always a 15? still, the 18 rating stopped alot of kids playing
> it.
So does that mean we should stop making violent games on
> the
> off-chance that kids might play them?
hmmm....let me see what that
> would
> mean.....
Goodbye Resident Evil series Defenetly
Goodbye Metal
> Gear Solid
> series /What KILLING TERROISTS the US would endorse the
> game.
Goodbye ALL FPS's/ Nerf arena?
Goodbye Super Mario games (there is a
> mild degree of
> violence in Mario games) Liar
Goodbye Tomb Raider series
> (Wahoo!) (like thats gory)
Goodbye
> RTS's
Goodbye Sci-Fi Flight
> Sims
Goodbye to a large range of other types of
> games not mentioned
> here.
Let me just remind you that young children have
> also had the
> opportunity to play Doom on the Atari systems (either Lynx or
>
> Jaguar...can't remember which), SNES, Mega Drive, and many other consoles
> and
> computers that have been available in the past. There are so many
> violent games
> out now that it'd be hard for a parent to pick the right
> sort of game for a
> young child.
If its a 15 a kid cant buy it. Its up to
> the parents.
There are some games that a 5 year old could play for the
> GBA
> instead of Doom:
Jurassic Park III: Park Builder
Super Mario
> Advance
Tony
> Hawks Pro Skater 2
Denki Blocks
Harry Potter
and many
> more.
So don't worry
> about what kids are playing what, chances are that
> with the lack of supervision
> parents give nowadays, they've already played
> a lot worse!
Yes, but i still say little kids (ie under 10) should be prevented
> as far as possible from playing doom. Wouldnt you prfer the 15 bbfc rating and
> the red blood anyway?
how pointless is this?
80% of Nintys market share may be under 10 or 11 (whatever you said), but the majority of GBA owners are people who had Snes' so not people that young! That market share is for all Ninty consoles not the GBA alone, if it was the GBA alone, I dunno what the figure would be but it'd be under 50% at least. Also are you sure it is Nintendo? It is the publisher who makes all decisions like that (I think?), so unless Ninty published it it's not them that's evil, but the publisher.
Edgy wrote:
> Edwin25 wrote:
> Sorry, but doom is too violent for 5 year olds. Green blood
> is still blood.
>
Censorship is stupid for over 15 year olds or even 14
> year olds
but
> little kids do need some protection.
Ok, lets go by
> your example....
Doom is too violent for 5 year olds.
True.
However
> Doom isn't designed for 5 year olds is it? Just because it's on a Nintendo
> machine, it doesn't mean every child in the world is going to buy this
> game.
Hello! nintendo - 80% of their market share are 11 year olds or younger.
Doom, as someone has already said, was released on the Playstation. Now
> the Playstation, in it's day, was the best selling console (other than the
> handheld GBC) and so many kids would've had it. So many kids would've had the
> opportunity to buy the game then and play it.
Yes but a 15 bbfc rating does stop almost all of them. I was asked to prove my age right up until i was 14.
Not to mention the PC. In
> Guinness Book of Records '97, it mentions Doom to be the most well known PC game
> of all time! That's because there have been so many re-releases, shareware
> versions, freeware versions that it has become so widespread. So, even though
> the PC version had an 18 certificate (IDKFA anyone?) it was still played by
> younger kids then.
IDKFA? and i thought doom was always a 15? still, the 18 rating stopped alot of kids playing it.
So does that mean we should stop making violent games on
> the off-chance that kids might play them?
hmmm....let me see what that would
> mean.....
Goodbye Resident Evil series Defenetly
Goodbye Metal Gear Solid
> series /What KILLING TERROISTS the US would endorse the game.
Goodbye ALL FPS's/ Nerf arena?
Goodbye Super Mario games (there is a mild degree of
> violence in Mario games) Liar
Goodbye Tomb Raider series (Wahoo!) (like thats gory)
Goodbye
> RTS's
Goodbye Sci-Fi Flight Sims
Goodbye to a large range of other types of
> games not mentioned here.
Let me just remind you that young children have
> also had the opportunity to play Doom on the Atari systems (either Lynx or
> Jaguar...can't remember which), SNES, Mega Drive, and many other consoles and
> computers that have been available in the past. There are so many violent games
> out now that it'd be hard for a parent to pick the right sort of game for a
> young child.
If its a 15 a kid cant buy it. Its up to the parents.
There are some games that a 5 year old could play for the GBA
> instead of Doom:
Jurassic Park III: Park Builder
Super Mario Advance
Tony
> Hawks Pro Skater 2
Denki Blocks
Harry Potter
and many more.
So don't worry
> about what kids are playing what, chances are that with the lack of supervision
> parents give nowadays, they've already played a lot worse!
Yes, but i still say little kids (ie under 10) should be prevented as far as possible from playing doom. Wouldnt you prfer the 15 bbfc rating and the red blood anyway?
> Edwin25 wrote:
> Sorry, but doom is too violent for 5 year olds. Green blood
> is still blood.
>
Censorship is stupid for over 15 year olds or even 14
> year olds
but
> little kids do need some protection.
Ok, lets go by
> your example....
Doom is too violent for 5 year olds.
True.
However
> Doom isn't designed for 5 year olds is it? Just because it's on a Nintendo
> machine, it doesn't mean every child in the world is going to buy this
> game.
Hello! nintendo - 80% of their market share are 11 year olds or younger.
Doom, as someone has already said, was released on the Playstation. Now
> the Playstation, in it's day, was the best selling console (other than the
> handheld GBC) and so many kids would've had it. So many kids would've had the
> opportunity to buy the game then and play it.
Yes but a 15 bbfc rating does stop almost all of them. I was asked to prove my age right up until i was 14.
Not to mention the PC. In
> Guinness Book of Records '97, it mentions Doom to be the most well known PC game
> of all time! That's because there have been so many re-releases, shareware
> versions, freeware versions that it has become so widespread. So, even though
> the PC version had an 18 certificate (IDKFA anyone?) it was still played by
> younger kids then.
IDKFA? and i thought doom was always a 15? still, the 18 rating stopped alot of kids playing it.
So does that mean we should stop making violent games on
> the off-chance that kids might play them?
hmmm....let me see what that would
> mean.....
Goodbye Resident Evil series Defenetly
Goodbye Metal Gear Solid
> series /What KILLING TERROISTS the US would endorse the game.
Goodbye ALL FPS's/ Nerf arena?
Goodbye Super Mario games (there is a mild degree of
> violence in Mario games) Liar
Goodbye Tomb Raider series (Wahoo!) (like thats gory)
Goodbye
> RTS's
Goodbye Sci-Fi Flight Sims
Goodbye to a large range of other types of
> games not mentioned here.
Let me just remind you that young children have
> also had the opportunity to play Doom on the Atari systems (either Lynx or
> Jaguar...can't remember which), SNES, Mega Drive, and many other consoles and
> computers that have been available in the past. There are so many violent games
> out now that it'd be hard for a parent to pick the right sort of game for a
> young child.
If its a 15 a kid cant buy it. Its up to the parents.
There are some games that a 5 year old could play for the GBA
> instead of Doom:
Jurassic Park III: Park Builder
Super Mario Advance
Tony
> Hawks Pro Skater 2
Denki Blocks
Harry Potter
and many more.
So don't worry
> about what kids are playing what, chances are that with the lack of supervision
> parents give nowadays, they've already played a lot worse!
Yes, but i still say little kids (ie under 10) should be prevented as far as possible from playing doom. Wouldnt you prfer the 15 bbfc rating and the red blood anyway?
Edwin25 wrote:
> Sorry, but doom is too violent for 5 year olds. Green blood is still blood.
>
Censorship is stupid for over 15 year olds or even 14 year olds
but
> little kids do need some protection.
Ok, lets go by your example....
Doom is too violent for 5 year olds.
True.
However Doom isn't designed for 5 year olds is it? Just because it's on a Nintendo machine, it doesn't mean every child in the world is going to buy this game.
Doom, as someone has already said, was released on the Playstation. Now the Playstation, in it's day, was the best selling console (other than the handheld GBC) and so many kids would've had it. So many kids would've had the opportunity to buy the game then and play it.
Not to mention the PC. In Guinness Book of Records '97, it mentions Doom to be the most well known PC game of all time! That's because there have been so many re-releases, shareware versions, freeware versions that it has become so widespread. So, even though the PC version had an 18 certificate (IDKFA anyone?) it was still played by younger kids then.
So does that mean we should stop making violent games on the off-chance that kids might play them?
hmmm....let me see what that would mean.....
Goodbye Resident Evil series
Goodbye Metal Gear Solid series
Goodbye ALL FPS's
Goodbye Super Mario games (there is a mild degree of violence in Mario games)
Goodbye Tomb Raider series (Wahoo!)
Goodbye RTS's
Goodbye Sci-Fi Flight Sims
Goodbye to a large range of other types of games not mentioned here.
Let me just remind you that young children have also had the opportunity to play Doom on the Atari systems (either Lynx or Jaguar...can't remember which), SNES, Mega Drive, and many other consoles and computers that have been available in the past. There are so many violent games out now that it'd be hard for a parent to pick the right sort of game for a young child.
There are some games that a 5 year old could play for the GBA instead of Doom:
Jurassic Park III: Park Builder
Super Mario Advance
Tony Hawks Pro Skater 2
Denki Blocks
Harry Potter
and many more.
So don't worry about what kids are playing what, chances are that with the lack of supervision parents give nowadays, they've already played a lot worse!
> Sorry, but doom is too violent for 5 year olds. Green blood is still blood.
>
Censorship is stupid for over 15 year olds or even 14 year olds
but
> little kids do need some protection.
Ok, lets go by your example....
Doom is too violent for 5 year olds.
True.
However Doom isn't designed for 5 year olds is it? Just because it's on a Nintendo machine, it doesn't mean every child in the world is going to buy this game.
Doom, as someone has already said, was released on the Playstation. Now the Playstation, in it's day, was the best selling console (other than the handheld GBC) and so many kids would've had it. So many kids would've had the opportunity to buy the game then and play it.
Not to mention the PC. In Guinness Book of Records '97, it mentions Doom to be the most well known PC game of all time! That's because there have been so many re-releases, shareware versions, freeware versions that it has become so widespread. So, even though the PC version had an 18 certificate (IDKFA anyone?) it was still played by younger kids then.
So does that mean we should stop making violent games on the off-chance that kids might play them?
hmmm....let me see what that would mean.....
Goodbye Resident Evil series
Goodbye Metal Gear Solid series
Goodbye ALL FPS's
Goodbye Super Mario games (there is a mild degree of violence in Mario games)
Goodbye Tomb Raider series (Wahoo!)
Goodbye RTS's
Goodbye Sci-Fi Flight Sims
Goodbye to a large range of other types of games not mentioned here.
Let me just remind you that young children have also had the opportunity to play Doom on the Atari systems (either Lynx or Jaguar...can't remember which), SNES, Mega Drive, and many other consoles and computers that have been available in the past. There are so many violent games out now that it'd be hard for a parent to pick the right sort of game for a young child.
There are some games that a 5 year old could play for the GBA instead of Doom:
Jurassic Park III: Park Builder
Super Mario Advance
Tony Hawks Pro Skater 2
Denki Blocks
Harry Potter
and many more.
So don't worry about what kids are playing what, chances are that with the lack of supervision parents give nowadays, they've already played a lot worse!
I stand corrected...
But still better they play an 'unrealistic' shooter like doom, than a realistic one like Perfect Dark where you shot 'real' people with realistic looking guns, etc.
But still better they play an 'unrealistic' shooter like doom, than a realistic one like Perfect Dark where you shot 'real' people with realistic looking guns, etc.
Sibs wrote:
> good point edwin (did you get that from Baldurs Gate?), especially about the
> marlborough going to court etc.
hahahahaah.
I wish. I have a 300mhz pc.
But why did you name the topic Nintendo-
> Evil? Surely this relates to all game producers, and likely much less to Ninty,
> as they don't make violent games (well, almost all games have some violence, but
> theirs are tame compared to most). This seems to be the thing most people are
> arguing with you over!
Ninty are the ones who censored the game, and ninty are the ones selling it to any little baby who walks in the door. doom is a violent game, where it is kill or killed. I sure as hell wouldnt let a 5 year old play doom, would you?
I would much rather have the 15 (or even just a 12) bbfc rating and the red blood/corpses thank you very much.
> good point edwin (did you get that from Baldurs Gate?), especially about the
> marlborough going to court etc.
hahahahaah.
I wish. I have a 300mhz pc.
But why did you name the topic Nintendo-
> Evil? Surely this relates to all game producers, and likely much less to Ninty,
> as they don't make violent games (well, almost all games have some violence, but
> theirs are tame compared to most). This seems to be the thing most people are
> arguing with you over!
Ninty are the ones who censored the game, and ninty are the ones selling it to any little baby who walks in the door. doom is a violent game, where it is kill or killed. I sure as hell wouldnt let a 5 year old play doom, would you?
I would much rather have the 15 (or even just a 12) bbfc rating and the red blood/corpses thank you very much.
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