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Hear that rolling sound? That because Sony dropped the ball on internet connectivity. Microsoft have picked it up, got their FPS line up sorted and seem destined to win the online battle by default. Sony have been way too slow. Microsoft are currently gearing their top titles for XBox live, for instance Halo 2 and PGR2. Also through May there's Ghost Recon and Wolfenstein. What have Sony unleashed as far as FPS's go? Tribes 2. erm..
Plus for the ps2 you actually have to buy the modem and buy the harddisk.
Am I overlooking something? aside from the blind loyalty factor?
Plus for the ps2 you actually have to buy the modem and buy the harddisk.
Am I overlooking something? aside from the blind loyalty factor?
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Ok. What evidence is there that sony thin people are mugs?
Firstly at launch it was found that upgrading the ps2 connection wire made DVDs play green.
Secondly after every major console manufacturer has introduced 4 ports to their console Sony stick with 2 ports inorder to make more money off of multitaps.
Thirdly this recent occurence of ps2 drives dying soon after warranty
Beyond this if you scan further down this list you'll find a few ps2 owners who'll admit sony treat their users like mugs.
feel free to add more but thats all i can remember at the moment.
Firstly at launch it was found that upgrading the ps2 connection wire made DVDs play green.
Secondly after every major console manufacturer has introduced 4 ports to their console Sony stick with 2 ports inorder to make more money off of multitaps.
Thirdly this recent occurence of ps2 drives dying soon after warranty
Beyond this if you scan further down this list you'll find a few ps2 owners who'll admit sony treat their users like mugs.
feel free to add more but thats all i can remember at the moment.
Hedfix wrote:
> Firstly at launch it was found that upgrading the ps2 connection wire
> made DVDs play green.
No, it was found hooking it up to illegally record made the screen green.
> Secondly after every major console manufacturer has introduced 4 ports
> to their console Sony stick with 2 ports inorder to make more money
> off of multitaps.
Yes, they are mean. But they don't think we're mugs - people still buy the multitap, right?
> Thirdly this recent occurence of ps2 drives dying soon after
> warranty
Sony's hardware isn't very well made, but I don't know anyone that's had any problems and I have a circle of about five friends who've had the PS2 since a few months after launch.
> Beyond this if you scan further down this list you'll find a few ps2
> owners who'll admit sony treat their users like mugs.
Like who? Admit defeat - you are an idiot.
> Firstly at launch it was found that upgrading the ps2 connection wire
> made DVDs play green.
No, it was found hooking it up to illegally record made the screen green.
> Secondly after every major console manufacturer has introduced 4 ports
> to their console Sony stick with 2 ports inorder to make more money
> off of multitaps.
Yes, they are mean. But they don't think we're mugs - people still buy the multitap, right?
> Thirdly this recent occurence of ps2 drives dying soon after
> warranty
Sony's hardware isn't very well made, but I don't know anyone that's had any problems and I have a circle of about five friends who've had the PS2 since a few months after launch.
> Beyond this if you scan further down this list you'll find a few ps2
> owners who'll admit sony treat their users like mugs.
Like who? Admit defeat - you are an idiot.
El Blokey wrote:
>
> Because PS2 Online IS NOT RELEASED YET. And actually, the PC is still
> the home of online gaming.
hence the 'dropped the ball' phrase in my first message
>
> but as it stands Xbox is outdoing Sony as far as online capability.
>
> They probably have a better set up, but 'how can Sony compete' is a
> stupid way to look at it.
Hardly I wanted to know what sony were doing about online gaming
>
> I just hope the 'downloadable content' turns into a 'new level every
> two weeks' for some of the later games. or perhaps even a sharing of
> designed levels downloadable to, you've guessed it, the good old
> harddisk.
>
> You are talking about wishful thinking, not the FACTS. So far, all
> Xbox Live has been used for to download is patches.
>
an imagination is a terrible thing to go to waste. Extra levels for splinter cell and unreal are available last time i checked IGN
> I had an n64, quality games poorly marketed, the ps one was pitiful
> in
> comparison
>
> The N64 sold fabulously. But the PSX sold AMAZINGLY. And it wasn't
> pitiful in comparison. ISS Pro Evolution, Metal Gear Solid, Dance
> Dance Revolution, Tony Hawk, Spyro, Final Fantasy...shall I go on?
>
None of these games i would count as a quality game, sorry but that is the way i see them. I'm thinking along the lines of zelda, halo, mario kart, perfect dark, basically games i come back to. I bought tony hawk on DC an i played it about 5 times, i got a lot more out of RUSH 2049 to be honest.
> now its an xbox and a gamecube, and no ps2. why? Because
> the majority of quality games i want to play are on cube and xbox,
> with the exception being GTA
>
> The PS2 has the most (generally accepted) classic games, FACT. And
> sequels aside (despite some being amazing, like PES2) you have Rez,
> Ico, Ratchet and Clank et al.
Rez is interesting, but not worth 30 quid, i saw something like it on the pc a while back, generally i couldn't care less about platformers. somebody gave me mario 64 and i only played it til i'd defeated bowser
>
> I agree with Aliboy - why do you keep saying Sony think people are
> mugs? It's true they have a huge powerful brand, but they back it up
> with games like GTA.
Because you yourself have said they do in your postings (something along the lines of (sony don't think people are mugs. the KNOW it). your proving my point by your previous posts.
>
> Because PS2 Online IS NOT RELEASED YET. And actually, the PC is still
> the home of online gaming.
hence the 'dropped the ball' phrase in my first message
>
> but as it stands Xbox is outdoing Sony as far as online capability.
>
> They probably have a better set up, but 'how can Sony compete' is a
> stupid way to look at it.
Hardly I wanted to know what sony were doing about online gaming
>
> I just hope the 'downloadable content' turns into a 'new level every
> two weeks' for some of the later games. or perhaps even a sharing of
> designed levels downloadable to, you've guessed it, the good old
> harddisk.
>
> You are talking about wishful thinking, not the FACTS. So far, all
> Xbox Live has been used for to download is patches.
>
an imagination is a terrible thing to go to waste. Extra levels for splinter cell and unreal are available last time i checked IGN
> I had an n64, quality games poorly marketed, the ps one was pitiful
> in
> comparison
>
> The N64 sold fabulously. But the PSX sold AMAZINGLY. And it wasn't
> pitiful in comparison. ISS Pro Evolution, Metal Gear Solid, Dance
> Dance Revolution, Tony Hawk, Spyro, Final Fantasy...shall I go on?
>
None of these games i would count as a quality game, sorry but that is the way i see them. I'm thinking along the lines of zelda, halo, mario kart, perfect dark, basically games i come back to. I bought tony hawk on DC an i played it about 5 times, i got a lot more out of RUSH 2049 to be honest.
> now its an xbox and a gamecube, and no ps2. why? Because
> the majority of quality games i want to play are on cube and xbox,
> with the exception being GTA
>
> The PS2 has the most (generally accepted) classic games, FACT. And
> sequels aside (despite some being amazing, like PES2) you have Rez,
> Ico, Ratchet and Clank et al.
Rez is interesting, but not worth 30 quid, i saw something like it on the pc a while back, generally i couldn't care less about platformers. somebody gave me mario 64 and i only played it til i'd defeated bowser
>
> I agree with Aliboy - why do you keep saying Sony think people are
> mugs? It's true they have a huge powerful brand, but they back it up
> with games like GTA.
Because you yourself have said they do in your postings (something along the lines of (sony don't think people are mugs. the KNOW it). your proving my point by your previous posts.
I'm not the idiot here. You said:
"sony don't think people are mugs. they KNOW people are"
Try keeping track of what you've said. Currently its like your argueing with yourself. are you schitzophrenic?
"sony don't think people are mugs. they KNOW people are"
Try keeping track of what you've said. Currently its like your argueing with yourself. are you schitzophrenic?
Hedfix wrote:
> El Blokey wrote:
>
> Because PS2 Online IS NOT RELEASED YET. And actually, the PC is
> still
> the home of online gaming.
>
> hence the 'dropped the ball' phrase in my first message
They haven't dropped the ball. It's coming out what, a month or two after the Xbox and Gamecube programs?
> Hardly I wanted to know what sony were doing about online gaming
But belittle them along the way, putting over Xbox?
> an imagination is a terrible thing to go to waste. Extra levels for
> splinter cell and unreal are available last time i checked IGN
In the UK?
> None of these games i would count as a quality game, sorry but that is
> the way i see them.
Well then I guess you're in the vast minority. You can't claim that the PSX had no good games because when I list some, you just say "don't like them". YOUR OPINION IS NOT FACT!
> i got a lot more out of RUSH 2049
> to be honest.
OK, what about Gran Turismo 2 and Wipeout 3?
> Rez is interesting, but not worth 30 quid, i saw something like it on
> the pc a while back
Really? Are you sure...you didn't just...IMAGINE that? I'd like a name to go with that game, please.
> generally i couldn't care less about platformers.
> somebody gave me mario 64 and i only played it til i'd defeated
> bowser
So you claim mario is a classic, but you don't like platform games? You CLEARLY ARE AN IDIOT.
And re: me saying Sony KNOW people are mugs...you were using it in the context that Sony think they can do whatever they want by treating owners like dogs...whereas the examples you provided were ones where Sony only did it because they can and have. Me saying they could sell at £500 was illustrating the power of the brand, akin to saying Matrix Reloaded could just be two hours of a blank screen and it would still gross $300m+.
> El Blokey wrote:
>
> Because PS2 Online IS NOT RELEASED YET. And actually, the PC is
> still
> the home of online gaming.
>
> hence the 'dropped the ball' phrase in my first message
They haven't dropped the ball. It's coming out what, a month or two after the Xbox and Gamecube programs?
> Hardly I wanted to know what sony were doing about online gaming
But belittle them along the way, putting over Xbox?
> an imagination is a terrible thing to go to waste. Extra levels for
> splinter cell and unreal are available last time i checked IGN
In the UK?
> None of these games i would count as a quality game, sorry but that is
> the way i see them.
Well then I guess you're in the vast minority. You can't claim that the PSX had no good games because when I list some, you just say "don't like them". YOUR OPINION IS NOT FACT!
> i got a lot more out of RUSH 2049
> to be honest.
OK, what about Gran Turismo 2 and Wipeout 3?
> Rez is interesting, but not worth 30 quid, i saw something like it on
> the pc a while back
Really? Are you sure...you didn't just...IMAGINE that? I'd like a name to go with that game, please.
> generally i couldn't care less about platformers.
> somebody gave me mario 64 and i only played it til i'd defeated
> bowser
So you claim mario is a classic, but you don't like platform games? You CLEARLY ARE AN IDIOT.
And re: me saying Sony KNOW people are mugs...you were using it in the context that Sony think they can do whatever they want by treating owners like dogs...whereas the examples you provided were ones where Sony only did it because they can and have. Me saying they could sell at £500 was illustrating the power of the brand, akin to saying Matrix Reloaded could just be two hours of a blank screen and it would still gross $300m+.
Hedfix wrote:
> Ok. What evidence is there that sony thin people are mugs?
>
> Firstly at launch it was found that upgrading the ps2 connection wire
> made DVDs play green.
>
> Secondly after every major console manufacturer has introduced 4 ports
> to their console Sony stick with 2 ports inorder to make more money
> off of multitaps.
>
> Thirdly this recent occurence of ps2 drives dying soon after
> warranty
Firstly welcome to the forum. Nice to see someone new who can argue their point with proper use of the english language and without being a mong about it.
Remember the start the XBox got off to?
Extra £30 for the DVD remote?
Some units scratching disks?
and I'm sure there are more.
Your points may be valid but there are two sides to every argument and the XBox has a number of flaws as well.
As FM pointed out there are a number of points about the PS2 network that only certain people know. As for the whole point of your post. First person shooters.
You would be much better with a PC :-P
But in a more serious way, give it a chance to take off first before passing judgement on the lack of FPS and even at that it may not be your kind of thing the other games that are there but I know they sure will appeal to others.
> Ok. What evidence is there that sony thin people are mugs?
>
> Firstly at launch it was found that upgrading the ps2 connection wire
> made DVDs play green.
>
> Secondly after every major console manufacturer has introduced 4 ports
> to their console Sony stick with 2 ports inorder to make more money
> off of multitaps.
>
> Thirdly this recent occurence of ps2 drives dying soon after
> warranty
Firstly welcome to the forum. Nice to see someone new who can argue their point with proper use of the english language and without being a mong about it.
Remember the start the XBox got off to?
Extra £30 for the DVD remote?
Some units scratching disks?
and I'm sure there are more.
Your points may be valid but there are two sides to every argument and the XBox has a number of flaws as well.
As FM pointed out there are a number of points about the PS2 network that only certain people know. As for the whole point of your post. First person shooters.
You would be much better with a PC :-P
But in a more serious way, give it a chance to take off first before passing judgement on the lack of FPS and even at that it may not be your kind of thing the other games that are there but I know they sure will appeal to others.
El Blokey wrote:
> Hedfix wrote:
> El Blokey wrote:
>
> Because PS2 Online IS NOT RELEASED YET. And actually, the PC is
> still
> the home of online gaming.
>
> hence the 'dropped the ball' phrase in my first message
>
> They haven't dropped the ball. It's coming out what, a month or two
> after the Xbox and Gamecube programs?
sounds like they dropped the ball
>
> Hardly I wanted to know what sony were doing about online gaming
>
> But belittle them along the way, putting over Xbox?
Currently i'm not a big fan of sony, but if they had something really good in the pipeline, (insert GTA online example again)
>
> an imagination is a terrible thing to go to waste. Extra levels for
> splinter cell and unreal are available last time i checked IGN
>
> In the UK?
I believe so Unreal has 'downloadable content' on the back for a reason
>
> None of these games i would count as a quality game, sorry but that
> is
> the way i see them.
>
> Well then I guess you're in the vast minority. You can't claim that
> the PSX had no good games because when I list some, you just say
> "don't like them". YOUR OPINION IS NOT FACT!
Neither is yours, i wouldn't say PSX had no good games, doom link up was a good idea for example, i'm just saying they paled compared with what Nintendo offered ie higher quality gaming
>
> i got a lot more out of RUSH 2049
> to be honest.
>
> OK, what about Gran Turismo 2 and Wipeout 3?
Nope you see 2049 had GOOD multiplayer, death match, 'stunt' mode and crazy race tracks
>
> Rez is interesting, but not worth 30 quid, i saw something like it
> on
> the pc a while back
>
> Really? Are you sure...you didn't just...IMAGINE that? I'd like a name
> to go with that game, please.
I think it was part of some kiddies music package, it was like an early rez, i'll get back to you on that.
>
> generally i couldn't care less about platformers.
> somebody gave me mario 64 and i only played it til i'd defeated
> bowser
>
> So you claim mario is a classic, but you don't like platform games?
> You CLEARLY ARE AN IDIOT.
CLEARLY YOU ARE THE IDIOT. did you see the second word after 'mario'? that's right it was 'kart'. 'Mario kart' get it? different game? you know that Multiplayer thingy thats really good and not the same thing as a one player game that i don't like?
And it still stands that you said 'Sony don't think people are mugs. They KNOW they are'. and i'm afraid it wasn't where you were discussing brand loyalty it was where you were saying most playstation users just get one to play fifa. So I really am at a loss at where you were going with this one. I think you should look back about 6/8 posts and actually READ what you have said
> Hedfix wrote:
> El Blokey wrote:
>
> Because PS2 Online IS NOT RELEASED YET. And actually, the PC is
> still
> the home of online gaming.
>
> hence the 'dropped the ball' phrase in my first message
>
> They haven't dropped the ball. It's coming out what, a month or two
> after the Xbox and Gamecube programs?
sounds like they dropped the ball
>
> Hardly I wanted to know what sony were doing about online gaming
>
> But belittle them along the way, putting over Xbox?
Currently i'm not a big fan of sony, but if they had something really good in the pipeline, (insert GTA online example again)
>
> an imagination is a terrible thing to go to waste. Extra levels for
> splinter cell and unreal are available last time i checked IGN
>
> In the UK?
I believe so Unreal has 'downloadable content' on the back for a reason
>
> None of these games i would count as a quality game, sorry but that
> is
> the way i see them.
>
> Well then I guess you're in the vast minority. You can't claim that
> the PSX had no good games because when I list some, you just say
> "don't like them". YOUR OPINION IS NOT FACT!
Neither is yours, i wouldn't say PSX had no good games, doom link up was a good idea for example, i'm just saying they paled compared with what Nintendo offered ie higher quality gaming
>
> i got a lot more out of RUSH 2049
> to be honest.
>
> OK, what about Gran Turismo 2 and Wipeout 3?
Nope you see 2049 had GOOD multiplayer, death match, 'stunt' mode and crazy race tracks
>
> Rez is interesting, but not worth 30 quid, i saw something like it
> on
> the pc a while back
>
> Really? Are you sure...you didn't just...IMAGINE that? I'd like a name
> to go with that game, please.
I think it was part of some kiddies music package, it was like an early rez, i'll get back to you on that.
>
> generally i couldn't care less about platformers.
> somebody gave me mario 64 and i only played it til i'd defeated
> bowser
>
> So you claim mario is a classic, but you don't like platform games?
> You CLEARLY ARE AN IDIOT.
CLEARLY YOU ARE THE IDIOT. did you see the second word after 'mario'? that's right it was 'kart'. 'Mario kart' get it? different game? you know that Multiplayer thingy thats really good and not the same thing as a one player game that i don't like?
And it still stands that you said 'Sony don't think people are mugs. They KNOW they are'. and i'm afraid it wasn't where you were discussing brand loyalty it was where you were saying most playstation users just get one to play fifa. So I really am at a loss at where you were going with this one. I think you should look back about 6/8 posts and actually READ what you have said
cheers. originally I wanted to know what sony were doing but i phrased it controvercially to have a good discussion (i think it has). I think GTA online would be very good. True the xbox had its fault at launch but the 2 serious hardware faults i outlined on the ps2 some people think were deliberate, and that should concern owners. as far as getting a pc, i have one, but i like to play my FPS's with a controller (blame Goldeneye) and that's why i don't use the pc for that
sorry two posts down my post is a bit of a mix. its not too difficult to see what bit are mine and the bits i'm replying to by reading the 2 post previous to it.
won't happen again, ill edit quoted stuff better next time, i'm still getting used to the 'post letter in reply' option and i over looked some stuff that should have been edited. Once again sorry
won't happen again, ill edit quoted stuff better next time, i'm still getting used to the 'post letter in reply' option and i over looked some stuff that should have been edited. Once again sorry
Hedfix wrote:
> And it still stands that you said 'Sony don't think people are mugs.
> They KNOW they are'. and i'm afraid it wasn't where you were
> discussing brand loyalty it was where you were saying most playstation
> users just get one to play fifa.
Fact: most casual gamers buy PS2 and play Fifa. That's what I was saying.
Fact: Sony's brand is so powerful they could sell the machine at £500 and still win the console war
Fact: They didn't have four ports for the PSX and that sold brilliantly, so didn't bother with the PS2.
That's where I went (not am going).
> And it still stands that you said 'Sony don't think people are mugs.
> They KNOW they are'. and i'm afraid it wasn't where you were
> discussing brand loyalty it was where you were saying most playstation
> users just get one to play fifa.
Fact: most casual gamers buy PS2 and play Fifa. That's what I was saying.
Fact: Sony's brand is so powerful they could sell the machine at £500 and still win the console war
Fact: They didn't have four ports for the PSX and that sold brilliantly, so didn't bother with the PS2.
That's where I went (not am going).
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