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just half an hour ago the north tower of the world trade centre in New York City was hit by a small passenger airplane then the south tower was hit by a larger private jet hit the south tower...the first jet is said to have been hijacked.......
it has been announsed that both planes were hijacked from boston
it has been announsed that both planes were hijacked from boston
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Please don't let this be the start of it...
From Sky News...
Terrorists 'May Have Trained On Game'
The terrorists who flew passenger planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon could have used a £45 computer game to help them train.
Microsoft's Flight Simulator is considered so realistic that trained pilots could use it to familiarise themselves with New York airspace.
Additional software can be downloaded to allow users to practice with flight controls based on a Boeing 757 or 767 - the types of plane used in the attacks.
It even allows players to simulate crashing into buildings, including the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.
One pilot who uses the game to refresh his own knowledge of world airports said: "It's highly realistic.
"In the approach to New York you can see all the major landmarks as they are."
From Sky News...
Terrorists 'May Have Trained On Game'
The terrorists who flew passenger planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon could have used a £45 computer game to help them train.
Microsoft's Flight Simulator is considered so realistic that trained pilots could use it to familiarise themselves with New York airspace.
Additional software can be downloaded to allow users to practice with flight controls based on a Boeing 757 or 767 - the types of plane used in the attacks.
It even allows players to simulate crashing into buildings, including the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.
One pilot who uses the game to refresh his own knowledge of world airports said: "It's highly realistic.
"In the approach to New York you can see all the major landmarks as they are."
Wòókiee Møn§†€R wrote:
I know that no single attack on us has ever
> been on a scale comparable to what happened in New York, but we have
> been 'at war' in this fashion with the IRA for over 30 years. Why
> was this never invoked?
I don't know.
The only explanation I can offer is that technically the IRA operate in Northern IReland, which is part of the UK.
Because of this it's not an "externally enemy", or whatever the wording is. I guess that means we have to sort it out outselves...
I know that no single attack on us has ever
> been on a scale comparable to what happened in New York, but we have
> been 'at war' in this fashion with the IRA for over 30 years. Why
> was this never invoked?
I don't know.
The only explanation I can offer is that technically the IRA operate in Northern IReland, which is part of the UK.
Because of this it's not an "externally enemy", or whatever the wording is. I guess that means we have to sort it out outselves...
Okay, I'm going to ask a question that may be very, very stupid - but not being politically minded, I don't fully understand the 'ins-and-outs' of it. So, bear with me please...
"Secretary-General George Robertson said the U.S.
would receive support for military action from its 18 NATO partners
if it is found the assaults were committed by foreign nationals.
It is the first time in 52 years that the alliance has invoked
Article V -- the NATO self-defence charter that says if one member
state is under attack all other member nations would defend it."
I know that no single attack on us has ever been on a scale comparable to what happened in New York, but we have been 'at war' in this fashion with the IRA for over 30 years. Why was this never invoked?
"Secretary-General George Robertson said the U.S.
would receive support for military action from its 18 NATO partners
if it is found the assaults were committed by foreign nationals.
It is the first time in 52 years that the alliance has invoked
Article V -- the NATO self-defence charter that says if one member
state is under attack all other member nations would defend it."
I know that no single attack on us has ever been on a scale comparable to what happened in New York, but we have been 'at war' in this fashion with the IRA for over 30 years. Why was this never invoked?
From CNN.COM:
BRUSSELS, Belgium (CNN) -- NATO has unanimously declared the hijack attacks on the U.S. to be an assault against all member states.
Secretary-General George Robertson said the U.S. would receive support for military action from its 18 NATO partners if it is found the assaults were committed by foreign nationals.
It is the first time in 52 years that the alliance has invoked Article V -- the NATO self-defence charter that says if one member state is under attack all other member nations would defend it.
The decision opens the way for NATO military and logistic support to any U.S. retaliation.
In Washington, Secretary of State Colin Powell said the statement would allow a possible collective response once the U.S. has identified who was responsible for the attacks.
Robertson said: "The country attacked has to make the decisions. It has to be the one that asks for help...The U.S. is still assessing the evidence available."
The secretary-general added: "The (NATO) Council agreed that if it is determined that this was an attack directed from abroad against the United States, it shall be regarded as an action covered by Article V of the Washington Treaty, which states that an attack against one ally is an attack against them all."
A NATO source said Robertson had called for the invoking Article Five for two reasons -- political solidarity with the U.S. and sending a message to terrorists that "we are prepared to face you collectively."
The proposal spells out the requirement that if one of NATO's members is attacked, all its allies would defend it.
Chapter Five says "an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack on all."
It requires each ally to assist the country attacked "by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with other parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area."
It is the first time that an attack has taken place on the soil of a NATO member during its 52 years of existence.
NATO was not involved collectively in the 1991 Gulf War and has only ever taken joint military action in Bosnia, Kosovo and Macedonia under non-Article V mandates.
NATO would require the U.S. to give it details of who had been responsible for the attack before any retaliatory action was offered.
The U.S. would have to go back to NATO to ask for specific kinds of support, but officials say invoking Article Five would provide on an "expedited basis" use of air space by the allies and make other kinds of assistance available.
Diplomats told Reuters it was a potent gesture of political support for Washington but it did not necessarily mean the allies would take collective military action.
Any decision to launch joint strikes on the culprits, once they were identified, would require further NATO deliberation, as would a decision to place national forces under NATO command.
European Union foreign ministers joined NATO's secretary-general in issuing a draft statement prepared for a unique session on Wednesday, which expressed "the most profound disgust at the terrorist attacks."
Robertson said: "We stand together. We are two organisations with one voice, one strong voice, that we will not stand for this terrorism."
EU Commission President Romano Prodi said: "In the darkest days of European history America stood close by us and today we stand close by America."
Security had been visibly tightened at both EU and NATO headquarters in Brussels.
BRUSSELS, Belgium (CNN) -- NATO has unanimously declared the hijack attacks on the U.S. to be an assault against all member states.
Secretary-General George Robertson said the U.S. would receive support for military action from its 18 NATO partners if it is found the assaults were committed by foreign nationals.
It is the first time in 52 years that the alliance has invoked Article V -- the NATO self-defence charter that says if one member state is under attack all other member nations would defend it.
The decision opens the way for NATO military and logistic support to any U.S. retaliation.
In Washington, Secretary of State Colin Powell said the statement would allow a possible collective response once the U.S. has identified who was responsible for the attacks.
Robertson said: "The country attacked has to make the decisions. It has to be the one that asks for help...The U.S. is still assessing the evidence available."
The secretary-general added: "The (NATO) Council agreed that if it is determined that this was an attack directed from abroad against the United States, it shall be regarded as an action covered by Article V of the Washington Treaty, which states that an attack against one ally is an attack against them all."
A NATO source said Robertson had called for the invoking Article Five for two reasons -- political solidarity with the U.S. and sending a message to terrorists that "we are prepared to face you collectively."
The proposal spells out the requirement that if one of NATO's members is attacked, all its allies would defend it.
Chapter Five says "an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack on all."
It requires each ally to assist the country attacked "by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with other parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area."
It is the first time that an attack has taken place on the soil of a NATO member during its 52 years of existence.
NATO was not involved collectively in the 1991 Gulf War and has only ever taken joint military action in Bosnia, Kosovo and Macedonia under non-Article V mandates.
NATO would require the U.S. to give it details of who had been responsible for the attack before any retaliatory action was offered.
The U.S. would have to go back to NATO to ask for specific kinds of support, but officials say invoking Article Five would provide on an "expedited basis" use of air space by the allies and make other kinds of assistance available.
Diplomats told Reuters it was a potent gesture of political support for Washington but it did not necessarily mean the allies would take collective military action.
Any decision to launch joint strikes on the culprits, once they were identified, would require further NATO deliberation, as would a decision to place national forces under NATO command.
European Union foreign ministers joined NATO's secretary-general in issuing a draft statement prepared for a unique session on Wednesday, which expressed "the most profound disgust at the terrorist attacks."
Robertson said: "We stand together. We are two organisations with one voice, one strong voice, that we will not stand for this terrorism."
EU Commission President Romano Prodi said: "In the darkest days of European history America stood close by us and today we stand close by America."
Security had been visibly tightened at both EU and NATO headquarters in Brussels.
From LATIMES.COM:
WASHINGTON -- Authorities searching nationwide for terrorists behind the deadly airliner attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center have identified teams that totaled as many as 50 infiltrators who supported or carried out the strikes, a source familiar with the investigation said Wednesday.
About 40 of the men have been accounted for, including those killed in the suicide attacks, but 10 remain at large, the source said. In the hours immediately after the assaults, he said, agents searching cars and apartments up and down the East Coast found suicide notes in New York that some of the hijackers wrote to their parents.
Also recovered were credit card receipts showing that some of the hijackers paid for flight training in the United States. Another source, a federal agent involved in the probe, said that authorities believe 27 suspected terrorists in all received various kinds of pilot training.
The infiltrators, who carried Middle Eastern passports, belonged to four independent cells, said law enforcement and intelligence officials. They said authorities kept the nation's airports closed to commercial traffic for a second day partly to prevent the conspirators from fleeing the country
WASHINGTON -- Authorities searching nationwide for terrorists behind the deadly airliner attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center have identified teams that totaled as many as 50 infiltrators who supported or carried out the strikes, a source familiar with the investigation said Wednesday.
About 40 of the men have been accounted for, including those killed in the suicide attacks, but 10 remain at large, the source said. In the hours immediately after the assaults, he said, agents searching cars and apartments up and down the East Coast found suicide notes in New York that some of the hijackers wrote to their parents.
Also recovered were credit card receipts showing that some of the hijackers paid for flight training in the United States. Another source, a federal agent involved in the probe, said that authorities believe 27 suspected terrorists in all received various kinds of pilot training.
The infiltrators, who carried Middle Eastern passports, belonged to four independent cells, said law enforcement and intelligence officials. They said authorities kept the nation's airports closed to commercial traffic for a second day partly to prevent the conspirators from fleeing the country
This is why I don't like enclosed vehciles like Planes or Tranes. Buses have an emergency exit ( thus why I always sit at the back ). I'm your average worry wart.
At the time of the crash there was approxiamately 10000 people in each of the two towers. When the plane crashe d everyone started to flee the two buildings, but noe more than 20 mins later came another plane, crashing into the opposing tower, at around the 67, anyone at least five floors up fro the explosion would have died from the blistering heat, and everyone else above it stuck in this doomed building. You can't imagine fear these people were going through, but it must of been horrible.
There is an estimate that approxiamately 10000 innocent people have been killed by this act of terrorism. This is truly an act of war.
I am creating a site in tribute to the family of victims, and everyone who died at the hands of these COWARDS.
There is an estimate that approxiamately 10000 innocent people have been killed by this act of terrorism. This is truly an act of war.
I am creating a site in tribute to the family of victims, and everyone who died at the hands of these COWARDS.
All i can say is my heart has gone out to every victim , and family that have lost someone to this horrific terrorist attack. I hope that everyone who was involved in this assault gets what they deserve. I pray to god that every innocent person that died at the hand of this assault, have gone to a better place.
Many people in the emergency services have lost their lives now, trying to save the lives of their fellow humans, i hope that their bravery doesn't go unrecognised.
I can't imagine what everyone was thinking on the planes and in the building just before they collapsed, but i bet it was horrific, and i hope to god that they died instantly instead of suffering
Many people in the emergency services have lost their lives now, trying to save the lives of their fellow humans, i hope that their bravery doesn't go unrecognised.
I can't imagine what everyone was thinking on the planes and in the building just before they collapsed, but i bet it was horrific, and i hope to god that they died instantly instead of suffering
50,000 people work in a 150 story hgh building. they manage to get the 30 bottom floors out and then it collapses. how many do you think have died.
sorry if that was a bit disrespectful but it is just such an evil thing.
sorry if that was a bit disrespectful but it is just such an evil thing.
Bit more news from CNN:
NEW YORK (CNN) -- New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani on Wednesday indicated the final death toll in the World Trade Center attacks could amount to a few thousand in each of the two towers.
"The numbers we are working with are in the thousands," Giuliani told reporters at a briefing, the day after hijacked airliners crashed into the twin 110-story trade center towers. He said that while people were able to flee, "The best estimate we can make ... is that there will be a few thousand people left in each building."
Giuliani said the latest confirmed death toll was 41 citywide. He said the missing include 260 police officers and firefighters who rushed to the towers shortly before both collapsed.
In Washington, where terrorists crashed an airliner into the Pentagon, rescuers said the final death toll there would likely range between 100 and 800.
Everyone aboard the four commercial airliners that were hijacked Tuesday died, a total of 266 people, according to American and United Airlines.
NEW YORK (CNN) -- New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani on Wednesday indicated the final death toll in the World Trade Center attacks could amount to a few thousand in each of the two towers.
"The numbers we are working with are in the thousands," Giuliani told reporters at a briefing, the day after hijacked airliners crashed into the twin 110-story trade center towers. He said that while people were able to flee, "The best estimate we can make ... is that there will be a few thousand people left in each building."
Giuliani said the latest confirmed death toll was 41 citywide. He said the missing include 260 police officers and firefighters who rushed to the towers shortly before both collapsed.
In Washington, where terrorists crashed an airliner into the Pentagon, rescuers said the final death toll there would likely range between 100 and 800.
Everyone aboard the four commercial airliners that were hijacked Tuesday died, a total of 266 people, according to American and United Airlines.
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