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just half an hour ago the north tower of the world trade centre in New York City was hit by a small passenger airplane then the south tower was hit by a larger private jet hit the south tower...the first jet is said to have been hijacked.......
it has been announsed that both planes were hijacked from boston
it has been announsed that both planes were hijacked from boston
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donught monster wrote:
> well i heard something about nukes or extreme millitary action from
> various folk but then, if we fire at a innocent country like say for
> instance russia and fired at them when it wasn't them they would go
> mental.
totally off the topic. did u copy your name from Cookie Monster or are you original?
back to the topic after the reply.
and i don't think Bush would be afraid to use Nukes.
> well i heard something about nukes or extreme millitary action from
> various folk but then, if we fire at a innocent country like say for
> instance russia and fired at them when it wasn't them they would go
> mental.
totally off the topic. did u copy your name from Cookie Monster or are you original?
back to the topic after the reply.
and i don't think Bush would be afraid to use Nukes.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A man who had been identified by federal authorities as a possible hijacker involved in Tuesday's terrorist attacks is alive and cooperating with the FBI, sources said Thursday.
Adnan Bukhari, who had attended pilot training school in Vero Beach Florida, was talking to FBI agents, sources said. A furniture salesman said he had seen Bukhari after the terrorist crashes, and he contacted authorities.
Bukhari's brother, Ameer Bukhari, died in a small plane crash in Florida last year, according to a lawyer for the family.
Federal sources had initially identified the brothers as possible hijackers who had boarded one of the planes that originated in Maine. But Bukhari's attorney said it appeared their identifications were stolen and said Bukhari had no role in the hijackings.
Adnan Bukhari, who had attended pilot training school in Vero Beach Florida, was talking to FBI agents, sources said. A furniture salesman said he had seen Bukhari after the terrorist crashes, and he contacted authorities.
Bukhari's brother, Ameer Bukhari, died in a small plane crash in Florida last year, according to a lawyer for the family.
Federal sources had initially identified the brothers as possible hijackers who had boarded one of the planes that originated in Maine. But Bukhari's attorney said it appeared their identifications were stolen and said Bukhari had no role in the hijackings.
Irelands a big mess, Personally I think they reasonable people both Prodestants and Catholics would welcome any proposal to remove the idiots who try to prove something by harming others.
The news is very biased in this country towards loyalists and unionist, and very negative towards the IRA.
In reality theyre all nuts both loyalists and republican paramilitrys and they should all be removed. As for Ireland harbouring the IRA, well surely Britain harbours loyalists!! In reality most of the people Gerry Adams and the like were born in Northern Ireland which makes them a British citisen.
I just wish Nato would clean up the mess in Ireland.
As for the American situation its very very sad. Im sure many have lost their loved ones and I hope whoever did those attacks burns in hell!
The news is very biased in this country towards loyalists and unionist, and very negative towards the IRA.
In reality theyre all nuts both loyalists and republican paramilitrys and they should all be removed. As for Ireland harbouring the IRA, well surely Britain harbours loyalists!! In reality most of the people Gerry Adams and the like were born in Northern Ireland which makes them a British citisen.
I just wish Nato would clean up the mess in Ireland.
As for the American situation its very very sad. Im sure many have lost their loved ones and I hope whoever did those attacks burns in hell!
well i heard something about nukes or extreme millitary action from various folk but then, if we fire at a innocent country like say for instance russia and fired at them when it wasn't them they would go mental.
FantasyMeister wrote:
> Because the IRA, like ETA (Spain), Action Directe
> (France), 17 November (Greece) and many other terrorist
> organisations are operating from within their own countries, so NATO
> expects these to be treated internally by the countries concerned as
> domestic problems.
But the IRA are 'controlled' from the Republic, which is not part of the UK. These planes also came from within the US, though the action was (probably) 'controlled' from elsewhere - the situation is surely identical?
> However, in the IRA's case, there's so much
> support for them in America that the United States would probably
> veto any vote for external aid if there were ever to be such a
> proposal.
I don't want to seem cold here, but maybe this will bring home to them how terrorism affects people, and such support will reduce, if not die out completely.
> Because the IRA, like ETA (Spain), Action Directe
> (France), 17 November (Greece) and many other terrorist
> organisations are operating from within their own countries, so NATO
> expects these to be treated internally by the countries concerned as
> domestic problems.
But the IRA are 'controlled' from the Republic, which is not part of the UK. These planes also came from within the US, though the action was (probably) 'controlled' from elsewhere - the situation is surely identical?
> However, in the IRA's case, there's so much
> support for them in America that the United States would probably
> veto any vote for external aid if there were ever to be such a
> proposal.
I don't want to seem cold here, but maybe this will bring home to them how terrorism affects people, and such support will reduce, if not die out completely.
HAMBURG, Germany (CNN) -- German police say they have detained two people for questioning in connection with the terror attacks in the U.S.
Police in Hamburg said they had detained a male airport worker and a woman on Thursday.
It was also revealed that two of the suspects in Tuesday's suicide attacks had lived in the northern German city and were enrolled as students there.
The flat in which the male suspect was detained had been used by a Moroccan man, who police had been seeking.
"We have in the search for a suspect of Moroccan origin searched an apartment in Hamburg and provisionally detained one person, a man," the head of the Hamburg state police, Gerhard Mueller, told Reuters.
Mueller, who said the man had been living in Germany legally, added: "He had a profession that appeared to be very interesting to us."
He said the man had a job "connected to air transport" and had worked at an airport, but refused to give further details.
He added that police had been looking for a Moroccan, but did not elaborate.
No weapons or explosives were found during the searches, he said, and security officials had no information about any suspects preparing terrorist attacks while in Germany.
In all, four apartments in Hamburg have been searched by police at the request of the FBI.
The FBI has been looking into the roles of Mohammed Atta and Marwan Youses Alshehhi in the attacks.
The two men are believed to have lived in Hamburg until May when they moved to Florida.
Police in Hamburg said they had detained a male airport worker and a woman on Thursday.
It was also revealed that two of the suspects in Tuesday's suicide attacks had lived in the northern German city and were enrolled as students there.
The flat in which the male suspect was detained had been used by a Moroccan man, who police had been seeking.
"We have in the search for a suspect of Moroccan origin searched an apartment in Hamburg and provisionally detained one person, a man," the head of the Hamburg state police, Gerhard Mueller, told Reuters.
Mueller, who said the man had been living in Germany legally, added: "He had a profession that appeared to be very interesting to us."
He said the man had a job "connected to air transport" and had worked at an airport, but refused to give further details.
He added that police had been looking for a Moroccan, but did not elaborate.
No weapons or explosives were found during the searches, he said, and security officials had no information about any suspects preparing terrorist attacks while in Germany.
In all, four apartments in Hamburg have been searched by police at the request of the FBI.
The FBI has been looking into the roles of Mohammed Atta and Marwan Youses Alshehhi in the attacks.
The two men are believed to have lived in Hamburg until May when they moved to Florida.
Wòókiee Møn§†€R wrote:
"Secretary-General George Robertson said the
> U.S.
would receive support for military action from its 18 NATO
> partners
if it is found the assaults were committed by foreign
> nationals.
It is the first time in 52 years that the alliance
> has invoked
Article V -- the NATO self-defence charter that says if
> one member
state is under attack all other member nations would
> defend it."
I know that no single attack on us has ever
> been on a scale comparable to what happened in New York, but we have
> been 'at war' in this fashion with the IRA for over 30 years. Why
> was this never invoked?
Because the IRA, like ETA (Spain), Action Directe (France), 17 November (Greece) and many other terrorist organisations are operating from within their own countries, so NATO expects these to be treated internally by the countries concerned as domestic problems.
However, in the IRA's case, there's so much support for them in America that the United States would probably veto any vote for external aid if there were ever to be such a proposal.
"Secretary-General George Robertson said the
> U.S.
would receive support for military action from its 18 NATO
> partners
if it is found the assaults were committed by foreign
> nationals.
It is the first time in 52 years that the alliance
> has invoked
Article V -- the NATO self-defence charter that says if
> one member
state is under attack all other member nations would
> defend it."
I know that no single attack on us has ever
> been on a scale comparable to what happened in New York, but we have
> been 'at war' in this fashion with the IRA for over 30 years. Why
> was this never invoked?
Because the IRA, like ETA (Spain), Action Directe (France), 17 November (Greece) and many other terrorist organisations are operating from within their own countries, so NATO expects these to be treated internally by the countries concerned as domestic problems.
However, in the IRA's case, there's so much support for them in America that the United States would probably veto any vote for external aid if there were ever to be such a proposal.
Yeah, why do they always have to link it to games?
FROM LATIMES.COM:
Undercover Agents Slipped Through
Last year, the GAO sent a team of undercover agents to a variety of federal agencies and to two major airports--Ronald Reagan Washington National in Washington, D.C., and Orlando International in Florida.
At both airports, the agents acquired phony law enforcement badges and ID, bought passenger tickets under the fake names, and, carrying weapons and valises, were waved around airport metal detectors, the GAO said. Two years earlier, agents from the inspector general's office made 173 attempts to improperly enter secure areas at eight airports. They were successful 117 times, records show.
"Once we penetrated secure areas, we boarded aircraft operated by 35 different air carriers," the investigators said. "Passengers were on board 18 of the aircraft we boarded. In 12 instances, we were seated and ready for departure at the time we concluded our tests." In a separate series of tests last year at 80 airports, FAA agents were able to improperly board 57 aircraft.
The FAA found at least 136 security breaches at Logan International Airport from 1997 to 1999, resulting in fines of $178,000 to major airlines and the Massachusetts Port Authority. On at least three occasions, FAA inspectors were able to gain access to airplanes parked at gates overnight, and screeners at terminal checkpoints often failed to detect dangerous items planted by the inspectors.
In response, the port authority last year permanently locked 26 doors leading from terminals to the tarmac, among other security improvements.
Security failures were apparent as recently as June 2000, when the FAA said it was seeking $99,000 in civil penalties from American Airlines.
Federal inspectors found several violations in checked baggage security, including bags transported without the passenger who checked them, failure to check passenger ID and failure to ask appropriate security questions. American took immediate corrective action.
Industry analysts say screeners working for low wages with little training or certification requirements pose security setbacks at airports across the country.
"The weakest link in the system is the security checkpoint. The screeners aren't properly trained. And because they don't make a living wage, turnover is remarkably high, with the result that people are inexperienced," said Dawn Deeks, spokeswoman for the Assn. of Flight Attendants, which represents 50,000 members at 26 airlines.
"We really need to start treating these security screeners more like law enforcement professionals," she said.
Undercover Agents Slipped Through
Last year, the GAO sent a team of undercover agents to a variety of federal agencies and to two major airports--Ronald Reagan Washington National in Washington, D.C., and Orlando International in Florida.
At both airports, the agents acquired phony law enforcement badges and ID, bought passenger tickets under the fake names, and, carrying weapons and valises, were waved around airport metal detectors, the GAO said. Two years earlier, agents from the inspector general's office made 173 attempts to improperly enter secure areas at eight airports. They were successful 117 times, records show.
"Once we penetrated secure areas, we boarded aircraft operated by 35 different air carriers," the investigators said. "Passengers were on board 18 of the aircraft we boarded. In 12 instances, we were seated and ready for departure at the time we concluded our tests." In a separate series of tests last year at 80 airports, FAA agents were able to improperly board 57 aircraft.
The FAA found at least 136 security breaches at Logan International Airport from 1997 to 1999, resulting in fines of $178,000 to major airlines and the Massachusetts Port Authority. On at least three occasions, FAA inspectors were able to gain access to airplanes parked at gates overnight, and screeners at terminal checkpoints often failed to detect dangerous items planted by the inspectors.
In response, the port authority last year permanently locked 26 doors leading from terminals to the tarmac, among other security improvements.
Security failures were apparent as recently as June 2000, when the FAA said it was seeking $99,000 in civil penalties from American Airlines.
Federal inspectors found several violations in checked baggage security, including bags transported without the passenger who checked them, failure to check passenger ID and failure to ask appropriate security questions. American took immediate corrective action.
Industry analysts say screeners working for low wages with little training or certification requirements pose security setbacks at airports across the country.
"The weakest link in the system is the security checkpoint. The screeners aren't properly trained. And because they don't make a living wage, turnover is remarkably high, with the result that people are inexperienced," said Dawn Deeks, spokeswoman for the Assn. of Flight Attendants, which represents 50,000 members at 26 airlines.
"We really need to start treating these security screeners more like law enforcement professionals," she said.
Right, well, that's it.
I can't believe they've brought that up, but I was wondering how long it would take.
Do they not want to admit that one of the airports they hi jacked from had recently been fined by the US government for having lax security?
Can they nor admit that two brothers who were hijackers enrolled to learn to fly in the US?
How blinkered are the people that write this stuff?
I can't believe they've brought that up, but I was wondering how long it would take.
Do they not want to admit that one of the airports they hi jacked from had recently been fined by the US government for having lax security?
Can they nor admit that two brothers who were hijackers enrolled to learn to fly in the US?
How blinkered are the people that write this stuff?
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