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Remember the 16bit days of the Snes and Megadrive.
Some people argued over which one was better but I don't think that there was any name calling.
Now, the 3 major systems all have their own stereotypes.
Xbox - a bug filled, mini PC for geeks.
Gamecube - A colourful toy for kids.
PS2 - Nothing new. Just a sequel to the machine of sequels.
And apart from being funny, it also messes up the industry.
Why?
Because most devellopers try to live up to them!!
Devellopers release anything on the PS2 because they think that the owners are idiots who'll buy anything.
So many people owned a PS1 after 3 years that this was the case - that anything sold on it!
Because of this, billions of poor quality 3rd party releases have appeared on the PS2 (backed by some decent games too) and these idiots who released them have learned the hard way that only hardcore PS2 fans wanted to pay £300 for the new machine.
Look what Stereotyping did to Nintendo.
Before the N64, no one ever thought of the Snes as babyish.
Then some adult games appeared on the Playstation and most people thought they'd grown out of platformers.
Hence the N64 got it's kiddie image.
NOM went by this stereotype and aimed it's magazine at 9 year olds (I think that everyone can agree with me here)
In an early issue, they previewed Mortal Kombat Trillogy with the comment:
"You'd better hide this from you mama..."
Sheesh!
But then there's always some who like to laugh at, and ridicule these stereotypes. Take Rare.
They decided to produce a cute cartoony platformer about little kids who go around and shoot giant Ant's.
Giant Ant's that burst with limbs, heads, guts and blood flying everywhere.
Jet Force Gemini was it's name.
Nintendo didn't let them release a game with little kids commiting violence and demanded that Rare make the characters more grown up. Rare did what they said... this time.
But they weren't done yet. They decided to take the peak of the kiddie image - a little cute squirrel with big bubbly eyes.
And turned him into a a foul mouthed obnoxious character who did all the things that a platformer did but added in violence and explicit humour.
Gameplay wise, it was no more mature than say Mario 64.
Yes everyone called it an adult game. A "grown up" platformer.
Rare must be laughing at their shallow audiences!
Some people argued over which one was better but I don't think that there was any name calling.
Now, the 3 major systems all have their own stereotypes.
Xbox - a bug filled, mini PC for geeks.
Gamecube - A colourful toy for kids.
PS2 - Nothing new. Just a sequel to the machine of sequels.
And apart from being funny, it also messes up the industry.
Why?
Because most devellopers try to live up to them!!
Devellopers release anything on the PS2 because they think that the owners are idiots who'll buy anything.
So many people owned a PS1 after 3 years that this was the case - that anything sold on it!
Because of this, billions of poor quality 3rd party releases have appeared on the PS2 (backed by some decent games too) and these idiots who released them have learned the hard way that only hardcore PS2 fans wanted to pay £300 for the new machine.
Look what Stereotyping did to Nintendo.
Before the N64, no one ever thought of the Snes as babyish.
Then some adult games appeared on the Playstation and most people thought they'd grown out of platformers.
Hence the N64 got it's kiddie image.
NOM went by this stereotype and aimed it's magazine at 9 year olds (I think that everyone can agree with me here)
In an early issue, they previewed Mortal Kombat Trillogy with the comment:
"You'd better hide this from you mama..."
Sheesh!
But then there's always some who like to laugh at, and ridicule these stereotypes. Take Rare.
They decided to produce a cute cartoony platformer about little kids who go around and shoot giant Ant's.
Giant Ant's that burst with limbs, heads, guts and blood flying everywhere.
Jet Force Gemini was it's name.
Nintendo didn't let them release a game with little kids commiting violence and demanded that Rare make the characters more grown up. Rare did what they said... this time.
But they weren't done yet. They decided to take the peak of the kiddie image - a little cute squirrel with big bubbly eyes.
And turned him into a a foul mouthed obnoxious character who did all the things that a platformer did but added in violence and explicit humour.
Gameplay wise, it was no more mature than say Mario 64.
Yes everyone called it an adult game. A "grown up" platformer.
Rare must be laughing at their shallow audiences!
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Bonus wrote:
> "You can always rely on Nintendo to be original and
> innovative"
Hmm, I am troubled by this remark, maybe it's
> the Pokemon franchise which everyone seems to forget when they say
> something good about Nintendo, or the fact that every Zelda game
> follows the same basic theme. True Nintendo do incorporate many
> inntuitive and pleasant features into their games, and they do
> generally make the best games, but they are by no means saints.
Zelda isnt always the same. the first top down, 2nd side scrolling, the rest what top down except the 64 duo ones and now it has changed again.
> They have a set formula for success and it can be found in most of
> their franchise games. I think some people are beginning to get a
> bit carried away by all this talk of the Gamecube giving originality
> and innovation, as no one has seen a game running for more than
> seven seconds and there is still 8-10 months before the system is
> even expected to be released here.
Nintendo invented platformers, married adventures with zelda and with Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, Zelda GC. Brilliant!
If you truely want immersive
> innovative gameplay you must not overlook some of the massive 3rd
> party companies who can do a better job than Nintendo. Nintendo
> fans should also be in anticipation of Sega being right at home on
> the Gamecube, they like the ease of use, because it keeps their
> costs down, don't be fooled by their claims of preferring it to
> anything else, money is all that matters to Sega at the moment, just
> look at the fact that Shenmue II will ship with Japanese voice
> actors ad English subtitles in the West. That aside, they make
> games which have been more innovative and playable than anything
> Nintendo have produced in the last few years, across all genres.
Actually i disagree. Sega are masters at Arcade, yes Shenmue and Sonic are special but Nitnendo master more in depth stuff rather than shallow arcades which arent supposed to be in depth! And i disagree Nintendo are called even by Squaresoft the company to look up to. Look at their accomplishments remmeber Nintendo have a heavy ahdn in second party work and youll see Nintendo are in fact a a special company.
> They have shown people how to mke truely playable sports games
> (other than Virtua Striker), platformers, driving games and RPGs,
> it's just a shame that the Dreamcast was so overlooked it has some
> amazing games.
If anyone is interested they can also check out
> the PS2. You can all shout sequelstation 2 all you want, but I for
> one have played very few Playstation games, I hadn't played either
> GT or GT2, so GT3 on the playstation 2 for me is a brilliant game.
> I really couln't care less if it is the same as GT2, all it says to
> me is that I missed out on the best driving game ever because I
> hadn't played it on the PSOne. As far as football ga,es go, ISS Pro
> Evolution 2 is quite simply the best footy game ever, and has gone a
> massive makeover for the PS2, can't wait for that.
No offence to the PS2 but i despise it other than GT3 there is nothing i can say it betters Nintendo at. It concentrates on realism, bad mistake it limits the realms of mystery and wonder it can reach and with Nitnendo holding no limits i believe they are the company that can bring gaming to the next level as imagination holds no limits
Having never
> played games such as Resident Evil 1 or 2 (I did play 3 and it was
> rotten), Dino Crisis etc. when I got Onimusha Warlords for the PS2,
> again I loved it, something different from anything I had played
> before, everyone else may scream unoriginality, but how many people
> shouting have actually played any other survival horror
> games?
True but personally REsident Evil, Ominishu etc... look awsome and play awsome but i honestly believe Capcom ened to do something to RE0 to make it beat Nintendo's Eternal Darkness (i know im straying from the point)
Then we come to the truly original games on the system.
> We have already had the wonder of Zone of the Enders, not much
> replay value, but a good game none the less. We also have the most
> innovative game of recent years in Herdy Gerdy heading for the PS2.
> Who else has ever tried a game where you need to travel around a
> world learning cool new herding tricks in an attempt to become the
> master herder in the land? Truely original and innovative.
The
> PS2 is truely going to be a special gaming platform and it is
> pioneering broadband technology across the world and possibly
> creating a massive online community. The Xbox and Gamecube will
> almost definately join in the console revolution of the internet and
> we must wait to see how this evolves, but massive cross platform
> games may just be a reality, either way, we are all in for something
> special in the next few years.
Did you read my topic FrEaK oF tHe DaRk's Post it pointed out the bad image of sony sequel console it isnt but a sequel console it looks!
> "You can always rely on Nintendo to be original and
> innovative"
Hmm, I am troubled by this remark, maybe it's
> the Pokemon franchise which everyone seems to forget when they say
> something good about Nintendo, or the fact that every Zelda game
> follows the same basic theme. True Nintendo do incorporate many
> inntuitive and pleasant features into their games, and they do
> generally make the best games, but they are by no means saints.
Zelda isnt always the same. the first top down, 2nd side scrolling, the rest what top down except the 64 duo ones and now it has changed again.
> They have a set formula for success and it can be found in most of
> their franchise games. I think some people are beginning to get a
> bit carried away by all this talk of the Gamecube giving originality
> and innovation, as no one has seen a game running for more than
> seven seconds and there is still 8-10 months before the system is
> even expected to be released here.
Nintendo invented platformers, married adventures with zelda and with Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, Zelda GC. Brilliant!
If you truely want immersive
> innovative gameplay you must not overlook some of the massive 3rd
> party companies who can do a better job than Nintendo. Nintendo
> fans should also be in anticipation of Sega being right at home on
> the Gamecube, they like the ease of use, because it keeps their
> costs down, don't be fooled by their claims of preferring it to
> anything else, money is all that matters to Sega at the moment, just
> look at the fact that Shenmue II will ship with Japanese voice
> actors ad English subtitles in the West. That aside, they make
> games which have been more innovative and playable than anything
> Nintendo have produced in the last few years, across all genres.
Actually i disagree. Sega are masters at Arcade, yes Shenmue and Sonic are special but Nitnendo master more in depth stuff rather than shallow arcades which arent supposed to be in depth! And i disagree Nintendo are called even by Squaresoft the company to look up to. Look at their accomplishments remmeber Nintendo have a heavy ahdn in second party work and youll see Nintendo are in fact a a special company.
> They have shown people how to mke truely playable sports games
> (other than Virtua Striker), platformers, driving games and RPGs,
> it's just a shame that the Dreamcast was so overlooked it has some
> amazing games.
If anyone is interested they can also check out
> the PS2. You can all shout sequelstation 2 all you want, but I for
> one have played very few Playstation games, I hadn't played either
> GT or GT2, so GT3 on the playstation 2 for me is a brilliant game.
> I really couln't care less if it is the same as GT2, all it says to
> me is that I missed out on the best driving game ever because I
> hadn't played it on the PSOne. As far as football ga,es go, ISS Pro
> Evolution 2 is quite simply the best footy game ever, and has gone a
> massive makeover for the PS2, can't wait for that.
No offence to the PS2 but i despise it other than GT3 there is nothing i can say it betters Nintendo at. It concentrates on realism, bad mistake it limits the realms of mystery and wonder it can reach and with Nitnendo holding no limits i believe they are the company that can bring gaming to the next level as imagination holds no limits
Having never
> played games such as Resident Evil 1 or 2 (I did play 3 and it was
> rotten), Dino Crisis etc. when I got Onimusha Warlords for the PS2,
> again I loved it, something different from anything I had played
> before, everyone else may scream unoriginality, but how many people
> shouting have actually played any other survival horror
> games?
True but personally REsident Evil, Ominishu etc... look awsome and play awsome but i honestly believe Capcom ened to do something to RE0 to make it beat Nintendo's Eternal Darkness (i know im straying from the point)
Then we come to the truly original games on the system.
> We have already had the wonder of Zone of the Enders, not much
> replay value, but a good game none the less. We also have the most
> innovative game of recent years in Herdy Gerdy heading for the PS2.
> Who else has ever tried a game where you need to travel around a
> world learning cool new herding tricks in an attempt to become the
> master herder in the land? Truely original and innovative.
The
> PS2 is truely going to be a special gaming platform and it is
> pioneering broadband technology across the world and possibly
> creating a massive online community. The Xbox and Gamecube will
> almost definately join in the console revolution of the internet and
> we must wait to see how this evolves, but massive cross platform
> games may just be a reality, either way, we are all in for something
> special in the next few years.
Did you read my topic FrEaK oF tHe DaRk's Post it pointed out the bad image of sony sequel console it isnt but a sequel console it looks!
Bonus wrote:
> "You can always rely on Nintendo to be original and
> innovative"
Hmm, I am troubled by this remark, maybe it's
> the Pokemon franchise which everyone seems to forget when they say
> something good about Nintendo, or the fact that every Zelda game
> follows the same basic theme.
Bah
I bet you haven't played either of these games properly. You've just taken the stereotypes.
Both of these franchises produce a brilliant new game with new ideas everytime and are always ahead of the competition who try to clone them.
True Nintendo do incorporate many
> inntuitive and pleasant features into their games, and they do
> generally make the best games, but they are by no means saints.
> They have a set formula for success and it can be found in most of
> their franchise games. I think some people are beginning to get a
> bit carried away by all this talk of the Gamecube giving originality
> and innovation, as no one has seen a game running for more than
> seven seconds and there is still 8-10 months before the system is
> even expected to be released here.
The gaming press have played these games and confirmed all these facts and they're not just Nintendo magazines either.
Multiformat mags and sites are also proclaiming the Gamecube games as highly original and playable.
If you truely want immersive
> innovative gameplay you must not overlook some of the massive 3rd
> party companies who can do a better job than Nintendo. Nintendo
> fans should also be in anticipation of Sega being right at home on
> the Gamecube,
Trust me, we are. We're all heavily anticipating Phantasy Star online and Monkey Ball.
they like the ease of use, because it keeps their
> costs down, don't be fooled by their claims of preferring it to
> anything else, money is all that matters to Sega at the moment,
Hence the quick rushed DC conversions onto the PS2 of late...
Anyway, several devellopers including Capcom who have MASTERED the PS2 software with Maximo and The Devil May Cry and STILL prefer the Gamecube.
I don't think it's a desperate Sega simply looking for an easy way out.
just
> look at the fact that Shenmue II will ship with Japanese voice
> actors ad English subtitles in the West. That aside, they make
> games which have been more innovative and playable than anything
> Nintendo have produced in the last few years, across all genres.
Possibly a little bit over the last year, but Nintendo have been concentrating on the Gamecube all that time. not exactly a fair comparison.
> They have shown people how to mke truely playable sports games
> (other than Virtua Striker), platformers, driving games and RPGs,
> it's just a shame that the Dreamcast was so overlooked it has some
> amazing games.
I agree with you there but back to the point...
If anyone is interested they can also check out
> the PS2. You can all shout sequelstation 2 all you want, but I for
> one have played very few Playstation games, I hadn't played either
> GT or GT2, so GT3 on the playstation 2 for me is a brilliant game.
> I really couln't care less if it is the same as GT2, all it says to
> me is that I missed out on the best driving game ever because I
> hadn't played it on the PSOne. As far as football ga,es go, ISS Pro
> Evolution 2 is quite simply the best footy game ever, and has gone a
> massive makeover for the PS2, can't wait for that.
And Konami are giving the cube ISS too.
Having never
> played games such as Resident Evil 1 or 2 (I did play 3 and it was
> rotten), Dino Crisis etc. when I got Onimusha Warlords for the PS2,
> again I loved it, something different from anything I had played
> before, everyone else may scream unoriginality, but how many people
> shouting have actually played any other survival horror
> games?
Again, Capcom are fully behind the Gamecube so expect plenty of survival horror for us kids.
Then we come to the truly original games on the system.
> We have already had the wonder of Zone of the Enders, not much
> replay value, but a good game none the less. We also have the most
> innovative game of recent years in Herdy Gerdy heading for the PS2.
> Who else has ever tried a game where you need to travel around a
> world learning cool new herding tricks in an attempt to become the
> master herder in the land? Truely original and innovative.
Sounds innoative. If it plays well it could we be a classic. Having seen the way it looks, I expect that it will be ignored in favour of some of the PS2's other games.
You're the only one I've heard mention it so far.
The
> PS2 is truely going to be a special gaming platform and it is
> pioneering broadband technology across the world and possibly
> creating a massive online community.
I don't know when Sony announced it so I don't know who said it first, but put it this way, Nintendo and Microsoft had broadband in mind since 1 and a half years ago so I think that it's more of an obvious feature than an inoative one. If anyone deserves credit it's Sega for bringing internet to consoles.
The Xbox and Gamecube will
> almost definately join in the console revolution of the internet and
> we must wait to see how this evolves, but massive cross platform
> games may just be a reality, either way, we are all in for something
> special in the next few years.
There's no denying that. How I think it'll evolve is that third party companies will make games where systems of different formats can play each other.
Then I'll be able to get you back for spamming my topic with your console wars!! :-p
(Come on, this topic was meant to be neutral. Go take ashot against a biased topic instead... please...)
> "You can always rely on Nintendo to be original and
> innovative"
Hmm, I am troubled by this remark, maybe it's
> the Pokemon franchise which everyone seems to forget when they say
> something good about Nintendo, or the fact that every Zelda game
> follows the same basic theme.
Bah
I bet you haven't played either of these games properly. You've just taken the stereotypes.
Both of these franchises produce a brilliant new game with new ideas everytime and are always ahead of the competition who try to clone them.
True Nintendo do incorporate many
> inntuitive and pleasant features into their games, and they do
> generally make the best games, but they are by no means saints.
> They have a set formula for success and it can be found in most of
> their franchise games. I think some people are beginning to get a
> bit carried away by all this talk of the Gamecube giving originality
> and innovation, as no one has seen a game running for more than
> seven seconds and there is still 8-10 months before the system is
> even expected to be released here.
The gaming press have played these games and confirmed all these facts and they're not just Nintendo magazines either.
Multiformat mags and sites are also proclaiming the Gamecube games as highly original and playable.
If you truely want immersive
> innovative gameplay you must not overlook some of the massive 3rd
> party companies who can do a better job than Nintendo. Nintendo
> fans should also be in anticipation of Sega being right at home on
> the Gamecube,
Trust me, we are. We're all heavily anticipating Phantasy Star online and Monkey Ball.
they like the ease of use, because it keeps their
> costs down, don't be fooled by their claims of preferring it to
> anything else, money is all that matters to Sega at the moment,
Hence the quick rushed DC conversions onto the PS2 of late...
Anyway, several devellopers including Capcom who have MASTERED the PS2 software with Maximo and The Devil May Cry and STILL prefer the Gamecube.
I don't think it's a desperate Sega simply looking for an easy way out.
just
> look at the fact that Shenmue II will ship with Japanese voice
> actors ad English subtitles in the West. That aside, they make
> games which have been more innovative and playable than anything
> Nintendo have produced in the last few years, across all genres.
Possibly a little bit over the last year, but Nintendo have been concentrating on the Gamecube all that time. not exactly a fair comparison.
> They have shown people how to mke truely playable sports games
> (other than Virtua Striker), platformers, driving games and RPGs,
> it's just a shame that the Dreamcast was so overlooked it has some
> amazing games.
I agree with you there but back to the point...
If anyone is interested they can also check out
> the PS2. You can all shout sequelstation 2 all you want, but I for
> one have played very few Playstation games, I hadn't played either
> GT or GT2, so GT3 on the playstation 2 for me is a brilliant game.
> I really couln't care less if it is the same as GT2, all it says to
> me is that I missed out on the best driving game ever because I
> hadn't played it on the PSOne. As far as football ga,es go, ISS Pro
> Evolution 2 is quite simply the best footy game ever, and has gone a
> massive makeover for the PS2, can't wait for that.
And Konami are giving the cube ISS too.
Having never
> played games such as Resident Evil 1 or 2 (I did play 3 and it was
> rotten), Dino Crisis etc. when I got Onimusha Warlords for the PS2,
> again I loved it, something different from anything I had played
> before, everyone else may scream unoriginality, but how many people
> shouting have actually played any other survival horror
> games?
Again, Capcom are fully behind the Gamecube so expect plenty of survival horror for us kids.
Then we come to the truly original games on the system.
> We have already had the wonder of Zone of the Enders, not much
> replay value, but a good game none the less. We also have the most
> innovative game of recent years in Herdy Gerdy heading for the PS2.
> Who else has ever tried a game where you need to travel around a
> world learning cool new herding tricks in an attempt to become the
> master herder in the land? Truely original and innovative.
Sounds innoative. If it plays well it could we be a classic. Having seen the way it looks, I expect that it will be ignored in favour of some of the PS2's other games.
You're the only one I've heard mention it so far.
The
> PS2 is truely going to be a special gaming platform and it is
> pioneering broadband technology across the world and possibly
> creating a massive online community.
I don't know when Sony announced it so I don't know who said it first, but put it this way, Nintendo and Microsoft had broadband in mind since 1 and a half years ago so I think that it's more of an obvious feature than an inoative one. If anyone deserves credit it's Sega for bringing internet to consoles.
The Xbox and Gamecube will
> almost definately join in the console revolution of the internet and
> we must wait to see how this evolves, but massive cross platform
> games may just be a reality, either way, we are all in for something
> special in the next few years.
There's no denying that. How I think it'll evolve is that third party companies will make games where systems of different formats can play each other.
Then I'll be able to get you back for spamming my topic with your console wars!! :-p
(Come on, this topic was meant to be neutral. Go take ashot against a biased topic instead... please...)
"You can always rely on Nintendo to be original and innovative"
Hmm, I am troubled by this remark, maybe it's the Pokemon franchise which everyone seems to forget when they say something good about Nintendo, or the fact that every Zelda game follows the same basic theme. True Nintendo do incorporate many inntuitive and pleasant features into their games, and they do generally make the best games, but they are by no means saints. They have a set formula for success and it can be found in most of their franchise games. I think some people are beginning to get a bit carried away by all this talk of the Gamecube giving originality and innovation, as no one has seen a game running for more than seven seconds and there is still 8-10 months before the system is even expected to be released here.
If you truely want immersive innovative gameplay you must not overlook some of the massive 3rd party companies who can do a better job than Nintendo. Nintendo fans should also be in anticipation of Sega being right at home on the Gamecube, they like the ease of use, because it keeps their costs down, don't be fooled by their claims of preferring it to anything else, money is all that matters to Sega at the moment, just look at the fact that Shenmue II will ship with Japanese voice actors ad English subtitles in the West. That aside, they make games which have been more innovative and playable than anything Nintendo have produced in the last few years, across all genres. They have shown people how to mke truely playable sports games (other than Virtua Striker), platformers, driving games and RPGs, it's just a shame that the Dreamcast was so overlooked it has some amazing games.
If anyone is interested they can also check out the PS2. You can all shout sequelstation 2 all you want, but I for one have played very few Playstation games, I hadn't played either GT or GT2, so GT3 on the playstation 2 for me is a brilliant game. I really couln't care less if it is the same as GT2, all it says to me is that I missed out on the best driving game ever because I hadn't played it on the PSOne. As far as football ga,es go, ISS Pro Evolution 2 is quite simply the best footy game ever, and has gone a massive makeover for the PS2, can't wait for that.
Having never played games such as Resident Evil 1 or 2 (I did play 3 and it was rotten), Dino Crisis etc. when I got Onimusha Warlords for the PS2, again I loved it, something different from anything I had played before, everyone else may scream unoriginality, but how many people shouting have actually played any other survival horror games?
Then we come to the truly original games on the system. We have already had the wonder of Zone of the Enders, not much replay value, but a good game none the less. We also have the most innovative game of recent years in Herdy Gerdy heading for the PS2. Who else has ever tried a game where you need to travel around a world learning cool new herding tricks in an attempt to become the master herder in the land? Truely original and innovative.
The PS2 is truely going to be a special gaming platform and it is pioneering broadband technology across the world and possibly creating a massive online community. The Xbox and Gamecube will almost definately join in the console revolution of the internet and we must wait to see how this evolves, but massive cross platform games may just be a reality, either way, we are all in for something special in the next few years.
Hmm, I am troubled by this remark, maybe it's the Pokemon franchise which everyone seems to forget when they say something good about Nintendo, or the fact that every Zelda game follows the same basic theme. True Nintendo do incorporate many inntuitive and pleasant features into their games, and they do generally make the best games, but they are by no means saints. They have a set formula for success and it can be found in most of their franchise games. I think some people are beginning to get a bit carried away by all this talk of the Gamecube giving originality and innovation, as no one has seen a game running for more than seven seconds and there is still 8-10 months before the system is even expected to be released here.
If you truely want immersive innovative gameplay you must not overlook some of the massive 3rd party companies who can do a better job than Nintendo. Nintendo fans should also be in anticipation of Sega being right at home on the Gamecube, they like the ease of use, because it keeps their costs down, don't be fooled by their claims of preferring it to anything else, money is all that matters to Sega at the moment, just look at the fact that Shenmue II will ship with Japanese voice actors ad English subtitles in the West. That aside, they make games which have been more innovative and playable than anything Nintendo have produced in the last few years, across all genres. They have shown people how to mke truely playable sports games (other than Virtua Striker), platformers, driving games and RPGs, it's just a shame that the Dreamcast was so overlooked it has some amazing games.
If anyone is interested they can also check out the PS2. You can all shout sequelstation 2 all you want, but I for one have played very few Playstation games, I hadn't played either GT or GT2, so GT3 on the playstation 2 for me is a brilliant game. I really couln't care less if it is the same as GT2, all it says to me is that I missed out on the best driving game ever because I hadn't played it on the PSOne. As far as football ga,es go, ISS Pro Evolution 2 is quite simply the best footy game ever, and has gone a massive makeover for the PS2, can't wait for that.
Having never played games such as Resident Evil 1 or 2 (I did play 3 and it was rotten), Dino Crisis etc. when I got Onimusha Warlords for the PS2, again I loved it, something different from anything I had played before, everyone else may scream unoriginality, but how many people shouting have actually played any other survival horror games?
Then we come to the truly original games on the system. We have already had the wonder of Zone of the Enders, not much replay value, but a good game none the less. We also have the most innovative game of recent years in Herdy Gerdy heading for the PS2. Who else has ever tried a game where you need to travel around a world learning cool new herding tricks in an attempt to become the master herder in the land? Truely original and innovative.
The PS2 is truely going to be a special gaming platform and it is pioneering broadband technology across the world and possibly creating a massive online community. The Xbox and Gamecube will almost definately join in the console revolution of the internet and we must wait to see how this evolves, but massive cross platform games may just be a reality, either way, we are all in for something special in the next few years.
Thanks, I thought your Mario tribute was a well deserved win too.
I'd have to agree with Strafex here. I believe that you can ALWAYS rely on Nintendo to be original and innovative.
Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Kameo etc...all fantasticly original and with Shigeru Miyamoto standing watch, you can bet money on them being incredibly playable and addictive.
I'd have to say that I'm annoyed at these harsh stereotypes that have been thrown towards Nintendo, they are simply NOT RIGHT. But Nintendo should be able to squash this 'kiddie' image that they are notorious for, because of these new gobsmacking images and release titles they have prepared.
Gamecube will do it all for me. It'll provide me with outstanding graphics, amazingly addictive gameplay, superb sound and classy playability/longetivity. Nintendo will push themselves to the limit this time and hopefull banish that ridiculous 'kiddie' image and reputation they have been lumbered with. As Strafex said once before, Nintendo certainly didn't aim for it on purpose, Playstation might have been a strong reason for it.
Shocktrooper.
P.S - Congrats' on winning Strafex :-)
Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Kameo etc...all fantasticly original and with Shigeru Miyamoto standing watch, you can bet money on them being incredibly playable and addictive.
I'd have to say that I'm annoyed at these harsh stereotypes that have been thrown towards Nintendo, they are simply NOT RIGHT. But Nintendo should be able to squash this 'kiddie' image that they are notorious for, because of these new gobsmacking images and release titles they have prepared.
Gamecube will do it all for me. It'll provide me with outstanding graphics, amazingly addictive gameplay, superb sound and classy playability/longetivity. Nintendo will push themselves to the limit this time and hopefull banish that ridiculous 'kiddie' image and reputation they have been lumbered with. As Strafex said once before, Nintendo certainly didn't aim for it on purpose, Playstation might have been a strong reason for it.
Shocktrooper.
P.S - Congrats' on winning Strafex :-)
To Gronti, I think that all these stereotypes are equally stupid.
As for Goldeneye, it had plenty of new ideas, not least the fantastic four player splitscreen mode, the sniping, stealth, and headshots.
They all seem standard now but compare the best PC games at the time - Quake 2 and Jedi Knight.
Both of these are primitive in control, fluidity, AI etc in comparison to Goldeneye. Rare set a new standard for FPS games.
Anyway, I only said that it was more original that Red Faction.
Thanks SR for choosing this topic.
As for Goldeneye, it had plenty of new ideas, not least the fantastic four player splitscreen mode, the sniping, stealth, and headshots.
They all seem standard now but compare the best PC games at the time - Quake 2 and Jedi Knight.
Both of these are primitive in control, fluidity, AI etc in comparison to Goldeneye. Rare set a new standard for FPS games.
Anyway, I only said that it was more original that Red Faction.
Thanks SR for choosing this topic.
Wow, that's a lot to cut through and with very few things to cover. Firstly, developers make games for money but they also make them beceause they enjoy it or see it as a challenge. It's a bit like writing a book. Secondly, what was too original about Goldeneye? It used a large amount of old ideas, though it did work them differently into a well made game. What else? Oh yes the topic. I don't know where the X-Box gets this Geek image and it's the first I've heard of it. It couldn't be the games, since it's considered ungeek-like to run around with large guns trying to take on a larger force of aliens (Halo, one of the big X-Box releases). So is it just because it's made by Microsoft which is run by a person who looks a bit like the idea of a geek stereotype? That doesn't work for me. As for the Gamecube kiddies image I think that you just have to remember The Simpsons, which is a cartoon. Yes, a cartoon something usually associated with kids, is there any age group that doesn't like The Simpsons? The PS2 Sequel thing you covered but the main reason for it I think is that it's too obvious and "lazy" when making sequels. It calls everything 2 or 3 or whatever rather than hiding it with mad big numbers like 64 or words like Revenge of Mr X. This is probably where the joke that the PS2 is just a sequel machine for sequel games came from.
As for Super Mario Advance and such it's a remake not a sequel.
As for Super Mario Advance and such it's a remake not a sequel.
Actually, most casual gamers can't be bothered to spend an extra £300 for something that just does what their current machine does with high res graphics.
Sony has this lack of originality finally against it.
Although there are a fair few decent games coming to the PS2, most casual gamers don't know about them.
God knows what the average consumer will choose until the release finally happens.
Sony has this lack of originality finally against it.
Although there are a fair few decent games coming to the PS2, most casual gamers don't know about them.
God knows what the average consumer will choose until the release finally happens.
Yes, Nintendo will struggle to sell Gamecube's because of their Kiddie stereotype and Microsoft will struggle due to their Geeky steretype, but sony have street cred, they are a world leader in home entertainment electronics, a reputation neither Nintendo or Microsoft can ever hope to match.
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