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Right. Now that i have your attention, Who reakons there is life on another planet and when do you think we will meet it? I reakon that the first life which is not of this world will be like a mirco organism somewhere. I'd say maby 2050. If however the first thing that we contact is more advances then id say around 2500. what do you all think?
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Last restaurant in 'everywhere'
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When I went insane, I wrote a lot of stuff about 4D... I'll have to dig it out.
I think it's nice to think that the universe is utterly infinite... because when you look up at the night sky, you're looking into infinity.
But I very much doubt it's true. There is something at the end... dunno what it is though, I'll send Sniper to have a look.
(A restaurant?)
Possibly.
I think it's nice to think that the universe is utterly infinite... because when you look up at the night sky, you're looking into infinity.
But I very much doubt it's true. There is something at the end... dunno what it is though, I'll send Sniper to have a look.
(A restaurant?)
Possibly.
Well I wouldn’t worry about finding life on another planet,
Our planet will probably be in trouble due to the holes in the ozone layer or aliens have already invaded and we will all be slaves.
Don’t worry about other life, I’m sure its out there due to the incredible mass of planets, hell they are probably so advanced they are living inside stars!
Live life for the moment, because tomorrow might not come.
Our planet will probably be in trouble due to the holes in the ozone layer or aliens have already invaded and we will all be slaves.
Don’t worry about other life, I’m sure its out there due to the incredible mass of planets, hell they are probably so advanced they are living inside stars!
Live life for the moment, because tomorrow might not come.
Edgy, the big crunch theory has recently come into question. The reason is this:
It was thought that there is a finite amnount of matter in the universe. If there is more than X amount then there will be enough matter to force gravity to pull the universe together in the big crunch.
If there is less that X amount then the universe will expand forever.
That is the theory of the big crunch.
However, this is based on Einstein's law of gravitation... which is wrong. Let me explain this:
Einstein discovered the law, which is something like:
G= 8 M Pi
(G=gravity, m=mass, pi=3.14...)
I think that is about right... although not sure if it was Pi or another constant... anyone?
Anyway, Einstein found out that if that were true then the universe was expanding... which it CLEARLY wasn't!
So he changed the equation:
G= 8 M Pi + Lamda
where lamda is the "cosmological constant".
But then it was found that the universe was expanding... so einstein changed it back to equation one, saying this was "the biggest blunder in physics ever".
So that is what is taught at unis.
BUT, it has now been shown that as a result of energy created due to matter conversion, then the universe is expanding at a faster and faster rate!
So there should be some kind of cosmological constant after all...
and since the universe is expanding faster and faster it will never come together in a big cruch. (although since the universe is 4D it is probably more complex than this... but I haven't read up on that... yet ;)
Hope that helped
NiGHTS!
It was thought that there is a finite amnount of matter in the universe. If there is more than X amount then there will be enough matter to force gravity to pull the universe together in the big crunch.
If there is less that X amount then the universe will expand forever.
That is the theory of the big crunch.
However, this is based on Einstein's law of gravitation... which is wrong. Let me explain this:
Einstein discovered the law, which is something like:
G= 8 M Pi
(G=gravity, m=mass, pi=3.14...)
I think that is about right... although not sure if it was Pi or another constant... anyone?
Anyway, Einstein found out that if that were true then the universe was expanding... which it CLEARLY wasn't!
So he changed the equation:
G= 8 M Pi + Lamda
where lamda is the "cosmological constant".
But then it was found that the universe was expanding... so einstein changed it back to equation one, saying this was "the biggest blunder in physics ever".
So that is what is taught at unis.
BUT, it has now been shown that as a result of energy created due to matter conversion, then the universe is expanding at a faster and faster rate!
So there should be some kind of cosmological constant after all...
and since the universe is expanding faster and faster it will never come together in a big cruch. (although since the universe is 4D it is probably more complex than this... but I haven't read up on that... yet ;)
Hope that helped
NiGHTS!
semajal wrote:
> Right. Now that i have your attention, Who reakons there is life on another planet and when do you think we will meet it? I reakon that the first life which is not of this world will be like a mirco organism somewhere. I'd say maby 2050. If however the first thing that we contact is more advances then id say around 2500. what do you all think?
My answer is "never".
Light Years are quite a long way.
I expect a micro-organism would burn up on re-entry unless he had a particularly robust space ship.
> Right. Now that i have your attention, Who reakons there is life on another planet and when do you think we will meet it? I reakon that the first life which is not of this world will be like a mirco organism somewhere. I'd say maby 2050. If however the first thing that we contact is more advances then id say around 2500. what do you all think?
My answer is "never".
Light Years are quite a long way.
I expect a micro-organism would burn up on re-entry unless he had a particularly robust space ship.
TheBest_2k1 wrote:
> Hang on, hang on, hang on.
What do we know?
The Big Bang.
A
> big explosion causing gases and rocks and stuff to form. These
> expand, collide and are pulled together by gravity (or along those
> lines)
Well, it cause Hydrogen to form. Other elements are only formed in stars...
FLAWS:
How was the anti-matter and matter there to start
> with? Scientists say TIME started at the big bang. How could there
> suddenly be particles and time if there is no time.
What? At the point of the big bang (and NOT before... time didn't exist before the big bang!), all matter that makes the universe was in one point- a singularity. These exist... even today (balck holes... and before you say these don't exist... they do and have been seen!!). This began to expand (and no, it didn't expand into anything... there is nothing outside the universe... i will explain this in a moment). When the big bang happened, space-time was created. These go hand-in-hand. The reason: we ARE in a 4Dimensional universe... time being that extra dimension. (Oh, and for those of you who are knowledgible in this area, it has just been shown that the univse is almost, but not quite, flat in the 4D... like a piece of paper is flat in 2d... unlike the surface of the Earth which is 2d and not flat).
Now, where did the universe expand into. Well, it didn't expand into anything. It is 4D. Think of it like this. Imaging you are blowing up a balloon. The volume of the balloon IS expanding into the air. But this is not like the universe. The universe is more like the surface of the balloon... which has constant volume and is expanding into nothing!
And then, we
> all know gravity is created by large celestial bodies. The Big Bang
> says these bodies were created by gravity. Its like the chicken and
> the egg. There is no gravity to make celestial bodies, so how do
> they form?
NO! Gravity is cause by EVERY SINGLE MOLECULE AND ATOM IN THE UNIVERSE! There is a gravitational force pulling me towards you, but because we are near a far bigger gravitational pull (the earth) we don't notice it. Now, after the big bang the unioverse was just Hydrogen gas. However, it was not completely uniformly spread out. Some areas were a big heavier than others. And these pulled more hydrogen into them. Over millions and millions of years these gopt big enough to form stars (and Space managed to completely mess up the description of how stars are formed... they actually got it wrong!)
The big bang is something scientists HAD to
> invent.
As we become more and more scientifically curious, we
> turn round and ask scientists what happened. They dont know, so they
> make some sort-of-beleiveable c*ck and bull story to keep us happy.
On the contrary, there is proof. The universe IS expanding. Taking the rate of expansion backwards shows that 6 billion years ago the universe was an infinitely small point- a singularity.
In addition, the temperature of the universe back then was a lot hotter (it had just been blown up!). How do we know. Well, when you see of a galaxy 5000 light years away, that means the picture is off how the galaxy looked 5000 years ago. New sattelite telescopes can measure the temperature of space from millions of years ago... and it was hotter.
Finally, there should be some em signals that exist from the big bang still. These have been detected as background radiation in space. Take the aerial out of your TV and you get static. one in every million of those dots is made by em radiation from the big bang!
Although, even though I beleive it, God carries the same
> questions. Before time and space, how did GOD come into being?
I am not a religious guy, buy in the Judo-Christian religion god has lasted always. He was not created.
We
> are venturing into questions which are uncomprehensible to human
> brains.
Some more than others ;)
Perhaps, if there is a heaven, we will someday know.
Mayeb when we die?
NiGHTS!
> Hang on, hang on, hang on.
What do we know?
The Big Bang.
A
> big explosion causing gases and rocks and stuff to form. These
> expand, collide and are pulled together by gravity (or along those
> lines)
Well, it cause Hydrogen to form. Other elements are only formed in stars...
FLAWS:
How was the anti-matter and matter there to start
> with? Scientists say TIME started at the big bang. How could there
> suddenly be particles and time if there is no time.
What? At the point of the big bang (and NOT before... time didn't exist before the big bang!), all matter that makes the universe was in one point- a singularity. These exist... even today (balck holes... and before you say these don't exist... they do and have been seen!!). This began to expand (and no, it didn't expand into anything... there is nothing outside the universe... i will explain this in a moment). When the big bang happened, space-time was created. These go hand-in-hand. The reason: we ARE in a 4Dimensional universe... time being that extra dimension. (Oh, and for those of you who are knowledgible in this area, it has just been shown that the univse is almost, but not quite, flat in the 4D... like a piece of paper is flat in 2d... unlike the surface of the Earth which is 2d and not flat).
Now, where did the universe expand into. Well, it didn't expand into anything. It is 4D. Think of it like this. Imaging you are blowing up a balloon. The volume of the balloon IS expanding into the air. But this is not like the universe. The universe is more like the surface of the balloon... which has constant volume and is expanding into nothing!
And then, we
> all know gravity is created by large celestial bodies. The Big Bang
> says these bodies were created by gravity. Its like the chicken and
> the egg. There is no gravity to make celestial bodies, so how do
> they form?
NO! Gravity is cause by EVERY SINGLE MOLECULE AND ATOM IN THE UNIVERSE! There is a gravitational force pulling me towards you, but because we are near a far bigger gravitational pull (the earth) we don't notice it. Now, after the big bang the unioverse was just Hydrogen gas. However, it was not completely uniformly spread out. Some areas were a big heavier than others. And these pulled more hydrogen into them. Over millions and millions of years these gopt big enough to form stars (and Space managed to completely mess up the description of how stars are formed... they actually got it wrong!)
The big bang is something scientists HAD to
> invent.
As we become more and more scientifically curious, we
> turn round and ask scientists what happened. They dont know, so they
> make some sort-of-beleiveable c*ck and bull story to keep us happy.
On the contrary, there is proof. The universe IS expanding. Taking the rate of expansion backwards shows that 6 billion years ago the universe was an infinitely small point- a singularity.
In addition, the temperature of the universe back then was a lot hotter (it had just been blown up!). How do we know. Well, when you see of a galaxy 5000 light years away, that means the picture is off how the galaxy looked 5000 years ago. New sattelite telescopes can measure the temperature of space from millions of years ago... and it was hotter.
Finally, there should be some em signals that exist from the big bang still. These have been detected as background radiation in space. Take the aerial out of your TV and you get static. one in every million of those dots is made by em radiation from the big bang!
Although, even though I beleive it, God carries the same
> questions. Before time and space, how did GOD come into being?
I am not a religious guy, buy in the Judo-Christian religion god has lasted always. He was not created.
We
> are venturing into questions which are uncomprehensible to human
> brains.
Some more than others ;)
Perhaps, if there is a heaven, we will someday know.
Mayeb when we die?
NiGHTS!
Yada Yada Yada
You say time has always existed. I know its almost incomprehensible to a human brain, and it makes me feel really weird when I think it, but how can it 'always have existed'? It MUST have started somewhere!
TheBest: What he doesn't know like a scientist, he makes up
like a politician
You say time has always existed. I know its almost incomprehensible to a human brain, and it makes me feel really weird when I think it, but how can it 'always have existed'? It MUST have started somewhere!
TheBest: What he doesn't know like a scientist, he makes up
like a politician
For the Big Bang to exist, there has to be matter and energy existing in the first place.
I've heard that scientists believe that 'our' Big Bang is not the first. We are just part of a cycle.
* The Big Bang occurs. Hydrogen from the Big Bang creates all the known elements by fusing with itself.
* All matter moves away from the center point of the universe.
* Eventually, the movement energy runs out and gravity from the initial exlosion pulls on all the matter.
* All matter is slowly forced back together. This is called the 'Big Crunch' (I'm not kidding!)
*The cycle starts again from the beginning.
If this theory is true, then that would mean time, matter and energy has always existed and always will.
However, unless scientists can travel very very quickly to the edges of the Universe, and look back to where the big bang took place around 6 Billion years ago with a VERY powerful telescope that can see light from 6B Lightyears away in a short space of time, then we will never fully know!
I've heard that scientists believe that 'our' Big Bang is not the first. We are just part of a cycle.
* The Big Bang occurs. Hydrogen from the Big Bang creates all the known elements by fusing with itself.
* All matter moves away from the center point of the universe.
* Eventually, the movement energy runs out and gravity from the initial exlosion pulls on all the matter.
* All matter is slowly forced back together. This is called the 'Big Crunch' (I'm not kidding!)
*The cycle starts again from the beginning.
If this theory is true, then that would mean time, matter and energy has always existed and always will.
However, unless scientists can travel very very quickly to the edges of the Universe, and look back to where the big bang took place around 6 Billion years ago with a VERY powerful telescope that can see light from 6B Lightyears away in a short space of time, then we will never fully know!
Ah humans.
What we don't know we make up.
We cannot possibly not know.
What we don't know we make up.
We cannot possibly not know.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
What do we know?
The Big Bang.
A big explosion causing gases and rocks and stuff to form. These expand, collide and are pulled together by gravity (or along those lines)
FLAWS:
How was the anti-matter and matter there to start with? Scientists say TIME started at the big bang. How could there suddenly be particles and time if there is no time.
And then, we all know gravity is created by large celestial bodies. The Big Bang says these bodies were created by gravity. Its like the chicken and the egg. There is no gravity to make celestial bodies, so how do they form?
The big bang is something scientists HAD to invent.
As we become more and more scientifically curious, we turn round and ask scientists what happened. They dont know, so they make some sort-of-beleiveable c*ck and bull story to keep us happy.
Although, even though I beleive it, God carries the same questions. Before time and space, how did GOD come into being?
We are venturing into questions which are uncomprehensible to human brains.
Perhaps, if there is a heaven, we will someday know.
What do we know?
The Big Bang.
A big explosion causing gases and rocks and stuff to form. These expand, collide and are pulled together by gravity (or along those lines)
FLAWS:
How was the anti-matter and matter there to start with? Scientists say TIME started at the big bang. How could there suddenly be particles and time if there is no time.
And then, we all know gravity is created by large celestial bodies. The Big Bang says these bodies were created by gravity. Its like the chicken and the egg. There is no gravity to make celestial bodies, so how do they form?
The big bang is something scientists HAD to invent.
As we become more and more scientifically curious, we turn round and ask scientists what happened. They dont know, so they make some sort-of-beleiveable c*ck and bull story to keep us happy.
Although, even though I beleive it, God carries the same questions. Before time and space, how did GOD come into being?
We are venturing into questions which are uncomprehensible to human brains.
Perhaps, if there is a heaven, we will someday know.
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