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"Why do you jism over crap games?"

None of the Gamecube 'classics' are actually all that great and Nintendo themselves haven't made a genuinely excellent game in years. All they churn out is this overcomplicated boring pretentious toss. Deep? Developing storylines? Pffft...you're the ones who constantly criticise others for valuing themes and graphics over gameplay... If anything, Nintendo are one of the worst for plastering their games with excess crap that disguises dull, repetitive and lacking gameplay.

Give me Streets of Rage any day.

Oh, and maybe Mario Party.

Meh.

"Whatever"

Other than Smash Bros. Melee, i can't think of one rehash released by Nintendo. Unless you mean carrying on a franchise, which is a completely different thing.

It'd be ok if they didn't re-hash '64 classics so much, especially if they pale compared to the original or are simply not different enough from the original.

What, so Ridley is the big dragon thing? That has not been mentioned.

People here are always dropping exclusive GC titles that were nothing of the sort. It irks me.

Darwock wrote:
> By the way, Ikaruga isn't a GC exclusive and I'm sure a Harvest Moon
> game was out for the Playstation.

And your point is? Ikaruga is only available on the GC for a next gen console, true the DC had it, so it's nothing that special in terms of exclusivity, but it was never heralded as that. Harvest Moon?! Harvest Moon: it's a Wonderful Life, is ONLY on Gamecube. There might have been games from earlier in the series on Snes/PSone etc, but the new iteration isn't. It's like saying Final Fantasy wasn't Psone exclusive because the Snes has it beforehand.

Anyway - Metroid Prime does tell the story - Samus is investigating the disturbance, Ridley turns up (who, surprisingly, she has met before) and she follows, while the Red scan objects (the ones that actually count to % complete!) tell you what has been going on befoere you got onto Tallon IV.

OK, I'm scanning everything in Metroid Prime, and it's not really telling me the story. The story of the planet sure... but why is Samus actually there? From the intro it seemed she's chasing that big flying dragon thing... but why?!?

By the way, Ikaruga isn't a GC exclusive and I'm sure a Harvest Moon game was out for the Playstation.

A second-party developer is a developer who, while being a separate entity from any console manufacturer, is tied to a specific one to the exclusion of others. Examples:


Sony
Naughty Dog

Nintendo
Silicon Knights*
Retro Studios

Microsoft
Rare*

To be honest, the line between first- and second-party developers is a blurry one - the defining characteristic is that second-party developers stand out from the manufacturer, while first-party developers are considered to be more or less a "division" of the console maker itself.

*Formerly, of course - additionally, while Rare does make GBA games, it still makes games for the Xbox exclusively, and therefore 2nd party.

Dringo wrote:
> Therefore Metroid Prime is a first party game, like Mario and Zelda.

That's my point, it isn't. It isn't anything like Mario or Zelda or Pikmin, and that's because Retro were in charge of development. It doesn't make it any les of a Nintendo masterpiece, though.