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Does anyone know what the latest progress on chipping PS2's is? When they first came out it was supposedly possible, but now i hear that there is no safe way to chip PS2's.
Does anyone know? It would be the greatest thing ever if it was...
Does anyone know? It would be the greatest thing ever if it was...
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We certainly agree that drugs is a bad way to make money. So do you think that kids should be given discount on games (instead of ok to copy), so they don't get into such positions?
Tellah wrote:
I take it you have a job FM and can afford
> games like me. That's nice for us.
Actually, no, I'm on the dole, I get £57 a week, and currently I have a grand total of 7 DC games in my collection. 2 of them from SR, the rest bought second hand from my local shop. My budget is £4 a week on gaming and the rest goes on rent/food/clothing/AOL/bills etc. I'm currently saving for an X-Box though, so that nice new pair of Reebok trainers are out next month. Maybe I should just nick a pair, noone will miss them.
Remember don't get angry with
> me, I'm just trying to provoke discussion!
I enjoy discussing issues as much as the next poster, and everyone has a right to their opinion, which is why this is an open forum and not a closed forum with the title "Everyone who is anti-piracy please post here."
I take it you have a job FM and can afford
> games like me. That's nice for us.
Actually, no, I'm on the dole, I get £57 a week, and currently I have a grand total of 7 DC games in my collection. 2 of them from SR, the rest bought second hand from my local shop. My budget is £4 a week on gaming and the rest goes on rent/food/clothing/AOL/bills etc. I'm currently saving for an X-Box though, so that nice new pair of Reebok trainers are out next month. Maybe I should just nick a pair, noone will miss them.
Remember don't get angry with
> me, I'm just trying to provoke discussion!
I enjoy discussing issues as much as the next poster, and everyone has a right to their opinion, which is why this is an open forum and not a closed forum with the title "Everyone who is anti-piracy please post here."
FantasyMeister wrote:
> 10 year olds don't make enough money to buy more than 1
> or 2 games per year (on the whole)
And carrying on from the rest of your post, FM, those that CAN afford them... where do they get such amounts ofmoney from? Drugs. Not selling them, but being 'runners'.
We have a guy living two doors away from us who stands at the local shops dealing drugs. The police know he does it, but can't touch him. Why? Because he never has them on him. People tell him what they want, and the stuff is delivered by young 'runners' - some can be no older than 8 or 9, but most are in their early-mid teens.
He drives around in a flash BMW, and his 'runners' always have designer clothes and new mountain bikes.
Tell me that's not hurting anyone. Okay, they have flash clothes etc. now, but it's not exactly giving them the ideal start in life, is it?
> 10 year olds don't make enough money to buy more than 1
> or 2 games per year (on the whole)
And carrying on from the rest of your post, FM, those that CAN afford them... where do they get such amounts ofmoney from? Drugs. Not selling them, but being 'runners'.
We have a guy living two doors away from us who stands at the local shops dealing drugs. The police know he does it, but can't touch him. Why? Because he never has them on him. People tell him what they want, and the stuff is delivered by young 'runners' - some can be no older than 8 or 9, but most are in their early-mid teens.
He drives around in a flash BMW, and his 'runners' always have designer clothes and new mountain bikes.
Tell me that's not hurting anyone. Okay, they have flash clothes etc. now, but it's not exactly giving them the ideal start in life, is it?
Did you use copied games as a child FM? Or have you, like WM chosen to condemn copying at a later stage in life.
Wookie: The programmers copying thing was just a futile provokation. Sorry! I know - we work hard for a living writing adapted + original code!
Wookie: The programmers copying thing was just a futile provokation. Sorry! I know - we work hard for a living writing adapted + original code!
I have to re-itterate that organised crime is extremely unacceptable. And I have a drug dealer living opposite me, and it is not a nice thing. Sorry to hear you're exposed to it too FM. And I can see why you would feel strongly on the matter.
I only ever refer to casual piracy.
I only ever refer to casual piracy.
It's good to see that we are all against piracy.
But can you not see any occasions where it might be acceptable?
E.g. for a poor russian kids enjoyment? ;-)
I know you are thinking of the games industry, and that it must survive and prosper. But do you not think that some of the possible arguements for copies are very important?
You've admitted yourself that your childhood involved copied games, how would it have been without them? Better or worse. You may have gone out on your bike more, I don't know.
But can you not see any occasions where it might be acceptable?
E.g. for a poor russian kids enjoyment? ;-)
I know you are thinking of the games industry, and that it must survive and prosper. But do you not think that some of the possible arguements for copies are very important?
You've admitted yourself that your childhood involved copied games, how would it have been without them? Better or worse. You may have gone out on your bike more, I don't know.
Tellah wrote:
Do you honestly want to see
> 10 year olds only being able to get 1 or 2 games a year when we were
> getting 40-50? Even gameboy titles are 30 quid.
'Think of the
> children!', 'Do it for the children!' ;-)
10 year olds don't make enough money to buy more than 1 or 2 games per year (on the whole), agreed, but does this give them a right to copy games just because they can't afford to buy them?
It doesn't, but any 10 year old can learn to use a CD-RW and burn a few copies quicker than any 10 year old can wash cars and earn the money to buy the game legitimately.
Just because games are expensive does not give ANYBODY, no matter what their circumstances, just to acquire a copy for 1/40th of the cost. That's piracy. Piracy hurts livelihoods, the gaming industry, even you, me, Special Reserve, and it affects EVERYONE involved in the gaming industry.
If my 8 year old nephew came to me saying he'd like Star Wars Episode One Racer, and I didn't have the money, tough, he won't get it, but I'll save up for him and get it later. It doesn't give me the right to go out and get a cheap £2 copy from my mate around the corner.
Because parents over the last few years HAVE given in so much to acquiring easy games for next to nothing, kids today somehow think it's quite natural to burn copies of games, they don't think of the long term consequences.
And trying to explain that to people, as I have tried many times on these forums, is just like speaking to a brick wall, the words just echo off and come straight back at you.
In essence, if you want the full figures about how many games are burned compared to how many bought, the guy who lives around the corner from me sells burned PS2 games for £5 a time, and he sells about 200 per month.
They cost him 80 pence each to burn. He earns £840 a month doing it. Which he then spends on drugs.
Somewhere along the line, the industry has lost out on £8000, in one month, just from one little guy burning a few games. And he's not the only one doing it. There's about 6 in my area alone. And I live in a city with lots of areas in it.
And that's just one city amongst lots in the UK.
Do you honestly want to see
> 10 year olds only being able to get 1 or 2 games a year when we were
> getting 40-50? Even gameboy titles are 30 quid.
'Think of the
> children!', 'Do it for the children!' ;-)
10 year olds don't make enough money to buy more than 1 or 2 games per year (on the whole), agreed, but does this give them a right to copy games just because they can't afford to buy them?
It doesn't, but any 10 year old can learn to use a CD-RW and burn a few copies quicker than any 10 year old can wash cars and earn the money to buy the game legitimately.
Just because games are expensive does not give ANYBODY, no matter what their circumstances, just to acquire a copy for 1/40th of the cost. That's piracy. Piracy hurts livelihoods, the gaming industry, even you, me, Special Reserve, and it affects EVERYONE involved in the gaming industry.
If my 8 year old nephew came to me saying he'd like Star Wars Episode One Racer, and I didn't have the money, tough, he won't get it, but I'll save up for him and get it later. It doesn't give me the right to go out and get a cheap £2 copy from my mate around the corner.
Because parents over the last few years HAVE given in so much to acquiring easy games for next to nothing, kids today somehow think it's quite natural to burn copies of games, they don't think of the long term consequences.
And trying to explain that to people, as I have tried many times on these forums, is just like speaking to a brick wall, the words just echo off and come straight back at you.
In essence, if you want the full figures about how many games are burned compared to how many bought, the guy who lives around the corner from me sells burned PS2 games for £5 a time, and he sells about 200 per month.
They cost him 80 pence each to burn. He earns £840 a month doing it. Which he then spends on drugs.
Somewhere along the line, the industry has lost out on £8000, in one month, just from one little guy burning a few games. And he's not the only one doing it. There's about 6 in my area alone. And I live in a city with lots of areas in it.
And that's just one city amongst lots in the UK.
"Get Orf Moi Laaaand"
Cannon Fodder, Amiga.
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Cannon Fodder, Amiga.
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I'll admit it, when i had an AMiga,i had some copied games. But that was because i was at school and couldn't afford them.
Now i can, so i buy them.
Although i've found that i spend less time playing games as i have other things to do. So instead of needing 2 new games a month, i need one every 2 months, for example.
Now i can, so i buy them.
Although i've found that i spend less time playing games as i have other things to do. So instead of needing 2 new games a month, i need one every 2 months, for example.
Tellah wrote:
> It's not the same though...
> It's more like:
> FM sees Tallah's nice house.
> FM can't afford a house like that.
> FM thinks Tellah is filthy rich.
> FM builds a copy of Tellah's house.
> Would you not agree??
Nope. With piracy, FM wouldn't waste time sweating and toiling to buy or build a copy of your house - he'd break in while you were out, and claim squatter's rights.
> It's not the same though...
> It's more like:
> FM sees Tallah's nice house.
> FM can't afford a house like that.
> FM thinks Tellah is filthy rich.
> FM builds a copy of Tellah's house.
> Would you not agree??
Nope. With piracy, FM wouldn't waste time sweating and toiling to buy or build a copy of your house - he'd break in while you were out, and claim squatter's rights.
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