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Does anyone know what the latest progress on chipping PS2's is? When they first came out it was supposedly possible, but now i hear that there is no safe way to chip PS2's.
Does anyone know? It would be the greatest thing ever if it was...
Does anyone know? It would be the greatest thing ever if it was...
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It is a legal quote which is put on everything. The scrolling message at the beginning of DVDs, videos etc. It says, "Unauthorised copying", but making a backup for yourself is not unauthorised.
Wòókiee Møn§†€R wrote:
In the article in The Player (mentioned in my earlier
> post) the guy from ELSPA claims that it is *not* legal to make a
> backup of console games.
I can't recall the exact wording/reason
> for this, but if anyone's interested, I'll look it up onight.
Yes, interested, please look it up, I think he's wrong. I think it IS legal to make backup copies of any software that you currently own. But, why would you backup a copy of a PS2 game in the first place? If the disc gets scratched you only have to send it back to the retailer for a replacement, which I think is a £5 charge.
Having said that, on the back of most Dreamcast game manuals is the wording "Copying or transmission of this game is strictly prohibited" and you are agreeing to this when you purchase and use their software, so in THAT instance the copying of a Dreamcast game (should you have the technology to do so), would be illegal. Check the smallprint of one of your PS2 or PSX manuals to see what that says, I have a feeling it will have a similar wording.
In the article in The Player (mentioned in my earlier
> post) the guy from ELSPA claims that it is *not* legal to make a
> backup of console games.
I can't recall the exact wording/reason
> for this, but if anyone's interested, I'll look it up onight.
Yes, interested, please look it up, I think he's wrong. I think it IS legal to make backup copies of any software that you currently own. But, why would you backup a copy of a PS2 game in the first place? If the disc gets scratched you only have to send it back to the retailer for a replacement, which I think is a £5 charge.
Having said that, on the back of most Dreamcast game manuals is the wording "Copying or transmission of this game is strictly prohibited" and you are agreeing to this when you purchase and use their software, so in THAT instance the copying of a Dreamcast game (should you have the technology to do so), would be illegal. Check the smallprint of one of your PS2 or PSX manuals to see what that says, I have a feeling it will have a similar wording.
It is not illegal to make backup copies of any software which you already own the original. It is illegal to distribute or obtain backup copies of software which you do not own the original disc for.
FantasyMeister wrote:
> The only illegal part is people buying pirated
> backups of game discs instead of using their own backups.
In the article in The Player (mentioned in my earlier post) the guy from ELSPA claims that it is *not* legal to make a backup of console games.
I can't recall the exact wording/reason for this, but if anyone's interested, I'll look it up tonight.
> The only illegal part is people buying pirated
> backups of game discs instead of using their own backups.
In the article in The Player (mentioned in my earlier post) the guy from ELSPA claims that it is *not* legal to make a backup of console games.
I can't recall the exact wording/reason for this, but if anyone's interested, I'll look it up tonight.
You can buy them in the UK already pre-chipped with the Neo 2.2 modchip. Cost varies: From a reputable dealer you'd be paying £325 plus carriage, but these PS2's play 100% of your PS2 and PS1 backup discs. From a less reputable dealer you'd be looking at about £290 delivered. The Neo 2.2 chip costs, wait for it, 75 pence, so you can guess the kind of profit these dealers are making. And it's legal. The only illegal part is people buying pirated backups of game discs instead of using their own backups.
The Neo 2.2 Pro chip is now out, but you have to fit this yourself, which involves soldering etc, although it won't be long before the dealers start offering this pre-fitted as well.
Sony are rumoured to be countering this market by adding coding into their game discs which alters the Sony PS2 BIOS on startup, which they have every right to do, but as yet they haven't succeeded or the rumour is proving to be false.
Perhaps SR should start offering a chipped PS2 service? Personally, I'm against it because it leaves the door wide open for easy access to pirate games, but as the market is flooded with chipped PS2s already anyway they might as well join the band wagon.
The major risk you run however is that you are paying £300 for a console that Sony will NOT support if they have their way and manage to produce a title that alters the way the PS2 works internally, which I sincerely hope they do, because the amount of money they are losing daily through pirated software must be collossal.
The Neo 2.2 Pro chip is now out, but you have to fit this yourself, which involves soldering etc, although it won't be long before the dealers start offering this pre-fitted as well.
Sony are rumoured to be countering this market by adding coding into their game discs which alters the Sony PS2 BIOS on startup, which they have every right to do, but as yet they haven't succeeded or the rumour is proving to be false.
Perhaps SR should start offering a chipped PS2 service? Personally, I'm against it because it leaves the door wide open for easy access to pirate games, but as the market is flooded with chipped PS2s already anyway they might as well join the band wagon.
The major risk you run however is that you are paying £300 for a console that Sony will NOT support if they have their way and manage to produce a title that alters the way the PS2 works internally, which I sincerely hope they do, because the amount of money they are losing daily through pirated software must be collossal.
The PS2 can be chipped but I would get someone who knows what they are doing to do it if you plan on getting it done. You also need a boot disk to allow the modchip to play your PS1 and PS2 "backups". The bootdisk can be gameshark versions 1.0 or 1.3. I think the action replay 2 also works. If you plan to get it done I would wait till your warenty expires, it may cause your console to overheat a little so maybe putting an extra fan beside your PS2 could help cool it a little more.
SnoopDoggyDan wrote:
> doesn't anyone think it's time that game
> manufacturers started putting programs into game design stopping
> piracy??
Ah, but they do! Millions are spent on copy-protection - but someone will always crack it.
> Have Nintendo found a way round piracy by the use of
> smaller CD's for the Gamecube?
Possibly, for the short-term. Rest assured that it won't be long before pirate copies are available.
> doesn't anyone think it's time that game
> manufacturers started putting programs into game design stopping
> piracy??
Ah, but they do! Millions are spent on copy-protection - but someone will always crack it.
> Have Nintendo found a way round piracy by the use of
> smaller CD's for the Gamecube?
Possibly, for the short-term. Rest assured that it won't be long before pirate copies are available.
I'd just like to put in that I in no way advocate illegal piracy of videogames, but i made the point because there are always people that are looking to chip consoles, and that it is inevitable that it will happen.
As for when you get older, i find that i buy less and less games, and have more important things to spend money on- and so it is tempting for people in my situation to have the best of both worlds, and to be able to afford games, albeit illegaly. If it is such an importan issue, doesn't anyone think it's time that game manufacturers started putting programs into game design stopping piracy??
Have Nintendo found a way round piracy by the use of smaller CD's for the Gamecube?
As for when you get older, i find that i buy less and less games, and have more important things to spend money on- and so it is tempting for people in my situation to have the best of both worlds, and to be able to afford games, albeit illegaly. If it is such an importan issue, doesn't anyone think it's time that game manufacturers started putting programs into game design stopping piracy??
Have Nintendo found a way round piracy by the use of smaller CD's for the Gamecube?
shaneo wrote:
> Yeah, but those of us who have a very small budget, really appreciate it!
This brings up an issue that a colleague of mine was talking to me about the other day...
If you can't afford a game, then the developer wouldn't get your money anyway. Therefore, if you get a copy of that game, is the publisher really losing out?
I can see the general point of the argument, but it is flawed.
If you needed a new TV, but couldn't afford one, would you just walk into a shop and take one? That's basically what you're doing - you are not entitled to something which you haven't paid for. Piracy is the equivalent of shoplifting - you may as well just walk into a shop and steal a copy.
If you were selling your console and I wanted it, but couldn't afford your asking price and therefore just took it, would you be happy? Thought not. But you obviously have no further use for it and would probably only bin it if you couldn't sell it, so why should I pay you for it?
That said, I admit I'm not exactly whiter-than-white myself. I had pirate games when I was a kid - even had a back-up board for my C64 to copy tapes. I can't recall how old you are, but I can remember how frustrating it is for kids when they can't get all the games they want. So I don't really like preaching to people, and I won't report people either.
My piracy stopped a week before my 18th birthday, after I'd finished my A-levels and got a job. A week later I got an Amiga 500 for my 18th birthday, and never had a pirate game for it.
All of my PS1 and PS2 games have been completely legit. I *have* had some pirate copies of PC games which I borrowed from a friend; those that I didn't like I deleted, those that I did like, I went out and bought.
Those young-un's among you reading this who obtain pirate games will hopefully start to pay for them when you have your own income. Those of you who are older and working and still obtain pirate games have no excuse!
> Yeah, but those of us who have a very small budget, really appreciate it!
This brings up an issue that a colleague of mine was talking to me about the other day...
If you can't afford a game, then the developer wouldn't get your money anyway. Therefore, if you get a copy of that game, is the publisher really losing out?
I can see the general point of the argument, but it is flawed.
If you needed a new TV, but couldn't afford one, would you just walk into a shop and take one? That's basically what you're doing - you are not entitled to something which you haven't paid for. Piracy is the equivalent of shoplifting - you may as well just walk into a shop and steal a copy.
If you were selling your console and I wanted it, but couldn't afford your asking price and therefore just took it, would you be happy? Thought not. But you obviously have no further use for it and would probably only bin it if you couldn't sell it, so why should I pay you for it?
That said, I admit I'm not exactly whiter-than-white myself. I had pirate games when I was a kid - even had a back-up board for my C64 to copy tapes. I can't recall how old you are, but I can remember how frustrating it is for kids when they can't get all the games they want. So I don't really like preaching to people, and I won't report people either.
My piracy stopped a week before my 18th birthday, after I'd finished my A-levels and got a job. A week later I got an Amiga 500 for my 18th birthday, and never had a pirate game for it.
All of my PS1 and PS2 games have been completely legit. I *have* had some pirate copies of PC games which I borrowed from a friend; those that I didn't like I deleted, those that I did like, I went out and bought.
Those young-un's among you reading this who obtain pirate games will hopefully start to pay for them when you have your own income. Those of you who are older and working and still obtain pirate games have no excuse!
FantasyMeister wrote:
> Yep, just think, you'll be able to buy £40 games for just a
> quid, putting developers, publishers, software houses, traders,
> musicians, copywriters etc out of business, resulting in poor shoddy
> second rate games and no more great AAA titles in the
> future.
Wonderful...
Yeah, but those of us who have a very small budget, really appreciate it!
> Yep, just think, you'll be able to buy £40 games for just a
> quid, putting developers, publishers, software houses, traders,
> musicians, copywriters etc out of business, resulting in poor shoddy
> second rate games and no more great AAA titles in the
> future.
Wonderful...
Yeah, but those of us who have a very small budget, really appreciate it!
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