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Does anyone know what the latest progress on chipping PS2's is? When they first came out it was supposedly possible, but now i hear that there is no safe way to chip PS2's.
Does anyone know? It would be the greatest thing ever if it was...
Does anyone know? It would be the greatest thing ever if it was...
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All I have to say about this:
I hate piracy. I think it's wrong, and have never, and will never, get any of my consoles chipped.
I hate piracy. I think it's wrong, and have never, and will never, get any of my consoles chipped.
I haven't had time to read all the previous entries... but to answer the original question:
Every single security system ever made has, or will be hacked into... that's no different with the PS2... give it a couple of months.
As for its legality... do u really think sony is going to come after every single person to have bought a mod? No... nor will they!
I for one love chipping consoles... not to play copies, but to play imports! At least that way Sony don't rip me off completely by selling me slow, poor quality GB games that have been released at a higher price than the rest of the world after the rest of the world!
Sonic
Every single security system ever made has, or will be hacked into... that's no different with the PS2... give it a couple of months.
As for its legality... do u really think sony is going to come after every single person to have bought a mod? No... nor will they!
I for one love chipping consoles... not to play copies, but to play imports! At least that way Sony don't rip me off completely by selling me slow, poor quality GB games that have been released at a higher price than the rest of the world after the rest of the world!
Sonic
Wòókiee Møn§†€R wrote:
Q. And what about chipping?
Chipping is covered by
> the same Act as copying - section 296. Put simply, this states that
> if you circumvent a copyright system of a machine or computer, which
> is what the PlayStation is deemed to be, then you have contravened
> that Act. It's a civil offence pursuable by the owner of the machine
> - in the case of the PlayStation, Sony. Basically Sony can sue you
> for chipping a machine.
So that means that companies like Neo Technologies (UK) and Playstationmods shouldn't be offering a 'professional' chipping service?
Q. And what about chipping?
Chipping is covered by
> the same Act as copying - section 296. Put simply, this states that
> if you circumvent a copyright system of a machine or computer, which
> is what the PlayStation is deemed to be, then you have contravened
> that Act. It's a civil offence pursuable by the owner of the machine
> - in the case of the PlayStation, Sony. Basically Sony can sue you
> for chipping a machine.
So that means that companies like Neo Technologies (UK) and Playstationmods shouldn't be offering a 'professional' chipping service?
Number:
1. The standard MOD chip will not fit in the Ps2.
2. It is illlegal and not fair on proper gamers.
3. Now ummmmm shall i dial 999
4. They can explode and the games are of poor quality
5. after 2 hour's of none stop gameplay with an MOD chip it will start to melt and wrecks your Ps2.
6. Don't bother.
1. The standard MOD chip will not fit in the Ps2.
2. It is illlegal and not fair on proper gamers.
3. Now ummmmm shall i dial 999
4. They can explode and the games are of poor quality
5. after 2 hour's of none stop gameplay with an MOD chip it will start to melt and wrecks your Ps2.
6. Don't bother.
The main text of this post is from the article "Giving the Game Away: To Chip or Not to Chip" in issue 8 (August 2001) of 'The Player' magazine, and is an interview with Terry Anslow, Chief Investigator for the ELSPA Crime Unit. I reproduce it here mainly for FantasyMeister, but also for the information of everyone else.
This is only one third of the article, covering the chipping of consoles, and software piracy - the main point of this topic. The rest of the article consists of two more interviews on the subject - one with an anonymous console 'chipper', and the other with David Ratcliffe, games producer for Bullfrog.
I will not be reproducing those interviews here, so if this gets your interest, I suggest you go and buy the magazine to read them for yourself! It's only £2.99 and is available from all good newsagents. :-)
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Q. So, copying games, illegal or not?
A. The Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 was designed to specifically allow, where a consumer had bought the full product, that person to make a single back-up copy. It was only allowed as an exception where it was necessary to do so. The exception applied to floppy disks when they were deemed the standard format for software - if a PC crashed it could cause the user to lose the whole program. Now, with software on CD there's no need for a back up copy. Even if that exception were to find any grace it does not include Trademark legislation, which is the main law we use when we prosecute software counterfeiters.
Q. If this is the case, why do people still use the back-up rule as a defence?
A. The back-up defence has been unsuccessfully attempted many times in this country and it simply does not wash. The nonsense printed as disclaimers on the Internet is stupid to say the least. I've seen endorsements from President Clinton - absolutely worthless in United Kingdom courts. You are not entitled to make a back-up copy of any game's software and that's the end of it.
Q. Recent reports suggest that the loss to the games industry in the UK alone is £3 billion per year. That's a huge figure - what's the rationale behind it?
A. The figure of £3 billion is based on last year's software sales of £1 billion. ELSPA estimate that at least three people purchase pirated discs on the black market for every sale of the real article.
Q. And what about chipping?
Chipping is covered by the same Act as copying - section 296. Put simply, this states that if you circumvent a copyright system of a machine or computer, which is what the PlayStation is deemed to be, then you have contravened that Act. It's a civil offence pursuable by the owner of the machine - in the case of the PlayStation, Sony. Basically Sony can sue you for chipping a machine.
Q. What's the maximum fine for counterfeiting under British law?
A. Under the Trademarks Act you can go to prison for up to ten years, with an unlimited fine and confiscation of goods used to make the counterfeit products.
Q. Many chippers say that PlayStation is so successful because it is copyable.
A. That is nonsense because other games platforms are just as copyable. PlayStation is at the top because it's an exceptionally good piece of equipment with premium software. We have talks in schools and universities, and we've found that a huge number of young people in this country see their future within the computer industry. Whether it be music, animation, programming, or graphic design. When we point out that every time somebody buys a pirate game they are putting their own future in jeopardy, people quickly sit up and listen.
Q. In reality, you're implying that your average software pirate is not dissimilar to a street-corner cocaine dealer?
A. Recently, New Scotland Yard released the official figure that 26 percent of all organised crime in this country is funded off the back of counterfeiting. So when parents believe that they are just depriving the big companies, they are, but they are also funding organised crime in a big way. When the silent majority get their heads round this, we may start to see some movement in the right direction.
Q. What about playing import games? The PS2 has been out a great deal longer in Japan than it has over here. This is reflected in their selection of games, which is at present much bigger than what's available in the UK.
A. Advertising a multi-region enhancement for the console is just stupid language for saying counterfeit discs! If you go to Japan or America to buy software, then do yourself a favour and purchase the consoles to play them on. The only reason people chip their PlayStations is to play counterfeit games. There is no other reason. Anybody that wishes to import discs can import the consoles too. We're actively trying to have a number of bills contained in the copyright law changed to make chipping a criminal offence. There's a bill going through Parliament at the moment, which ELSPA believe will achieve this.
This is only one third of the article, covering the chipping of consoles, and software piracy - the main point of this topic. The rest of the article consists of two more interviews on the subject - one with an anonymous console 'chipper', and the other with David Ratcliffe, games producer for Bullfrog.
I will not be reproducing those interviews here, so if this gets your interest, I suggest you go and buy the magazine to read them for yourself! It's only £2.99 and is available from all good newsagents. :-)
-----
Q. So, copying games, illegal or not?
A. The Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 was designed to specifically allow, where a consumer had bought the full product, that person to make a single back-up copy. It was only allowed as an exception where it was necessary to do so. The exception applied to floppy disks when they were deemed the standard format for software - if a PC crashed it could cause the user to lose the whole program. Now, with software on CD there's no need for a back up copy. Even if that exception were to find any grace it does not include Trademark legislation, which is the main law we use when we prosecute software counterfeiters.
Q. If this is the case, why do people still use the back-up rule as a defence?
A. The back-up defence has been unsuccessfully attempted many times in this country and it simply does not wash. The nonsense printed as disclaimers on the Internet is stupid to say the least. I've seen endorsements from President Clinton - absolutely worthless in United Kingdom courts. You are not entitled to make a back-up copy of any game's software and that's the end of it.
Q. Recent reports suggest that the loss to the games industry in the UK alone is £3 billion per year. That's a huge figure - what's the rationale behind it?
A. The figure of £3 billion is based on last year's software sales of £1 billion. ELSPA estimate that at least three people purchase pirated discs on the black market for every sale of the real article.
Q. And what about chipping?
Chipping is covered by the same Act as copying - section 296. Put simply, this states that if you circumvent a copyright system of a machine or computer, which is what the PlayStation is deemed to be, then you have contravened that Act. It's a civil offence pursuable by the owner of the machine - in the case of the PlayStation, Sony. Basically Sony can sue you for chipping a machine.
Q. What's the maximum fine for counterfeiting under British law?
A. Under the Trademarks Act you can go to prison for up to ten years, with an unlimited fine and confiscation of goods used to make the counterfeit products.
Q. Many chippers say that PlayStation is so successful because it is copyable.
A. That is nonsense because other games platforms are just as copyable. PlayStation is at the top because it's an exceptionally good piece of equipment with premium software. We have talks in schools and universities, and we've found that a huge number of young people in this country see their future within the computer industry. Whether it be music, animation, programming, or graphic design. When we point out that every time somebody buys a pirate game they are putting their own future in jeopardy, people quickly sit up and listen.
Q. In reality, you're implying that your average software pirate is not dissimilar to a street-corner cocaine dealer?
A. Recently, New Scotland Yard released the official figure that 26 percent of all organised crime in this country is funded off the back of counterfeiting. So when parents believe that they are just depriving the big companies, they are, but they are also funding organised crime in a big way. When the silent majority get their heads round this, we may start to see some movement in the right direction.
Q. What about playing import games? The PS2 has been out a great deal longer in Japan than it has over here. This is reflected in their selection of games, which is at present much bigger than what's available in the UK.
A. Advertising a multi-region enhancement for the console is just stupid language for saying counterfeit discs! If you go to Japan or America to buy software, then do yourself a favour and purchase the consoles to play them on. The only reason people chip their PlayStations is to play counterfeit games. There is no other reason. Anybody that wishes to import discs can import the consoles too. We're actively trying to have a number of bills contained in the copyright law changed to make chipping a criminal offence. There's a bill going through Parliament at the moment, which ELSPA believe will achieve this.
Tellah wrote:
> FantasyMeister wrote:
Maybe clean water, food, clothing and
> shelter might be
> a priority in the poorer countries. It
> depends how poor you want to
> go...
Yeah definatly. But that
> is where piracy is the biggest problem, in the poorer countries. So
> why deal with piracy out there when there's these other things to be
> delt with?
Consider the knock on effect of piracy in the third world, there's an extract from the issue of piracy in Paraguay earlier in this thread. Have you read that one yet?
> FantasyMeister wrote:
Maybe clean water, food, clothing and
> shelter might be
> a priority in the poorer countries. It
> depends how poor you want to
> go...
Yeah definatly. But that
> is where piracy is the biggest problem, in the poorer countries. So
> why deal with piracy out there when there's these other things to be
> delt with?
Consider the knock on effect of piracy in the third world, there's an extract from the issue of piracy in Paraguay earlier in this thread. Have you read that one yet?
bobdefish wrote:
> The real point here should be why are games so expensive?
When
> Ps2 games could be sold at £20 and still make a modest profit,
> we should be wondering why they are released at £39+ in most
> places,
The latest chip is the Neo2.2 but latest news is that
> Neo3 will arrive soon allowing all region dvd and games.
Piracy
> is wrong, but until games get cheaper what else can the poorer
> gamers do?
Kids will do it as they can get away with it, and get
> a game for pocket money prices, something that i notice SR can
> cottoned onto with its £9.99 range.
hope this helps
Bob
From earlier in this thread:
"creating any type of game is extremely expensive (Shenmue anyone?). Game production may cost upwards of 2 to 3 million dollars and that doesn't even take into consideration paying around $40k to $50k to an average of 30 employees every year. Then you look at marketing and manufacturing which is another million dollars or so. Finally, development houses will spend hours of extra time doing the little things such as building and updating websites, making demos, press releases, interviews, and much more.
Yet, there are still people that claim that they copy games because buying them off the shelves is just way to expensive. Some even say that game prices are rising and finding a good price is almost impossible. Well, that's just plain ludicrous if you ask me.
First of all, paying $40 to $50 for a game that took a diverse group of programmers, designers, artists, producers, product managers, manufacturers, and testers a good two years to create might not be as expensive as it sounds. Seriously, $40 or $50 is actually a generous price if you consider the hard work, hardships, money, and creative thinking that make up the complex development process.
Secondly, game prices have actually dropped significantly in the last four or five years. I remember back when the Nintendo 64 was first released you couldn't find a game for under $50 or $60. Actually, back then the game prices were one of the main reasons I did not purchase a Nintendo 64. Nowadays, though, most games are released with a low to mid $40 price tag, a notable drop in prices.
However, some people will still argue that they can't afford that kind of money (mostly the younger types). Well, there are many ways to make money, including something called a job. If that's not in your league, you can always wait till the game comes out used. Used games are considerably lower than new games, usually $10 to $20 less. Even more, you can find many games online for cheap prices. Yet there are still lousy game pirates out there who continue to copy games illegally and sell them. Personally, I think it is a disgrace to the gaming industry if a customer would rather buy a pirated game than pay a measly $20 extra."
Hope this helps
FM
> The real point here should be why are games so expensive?
When
> Ps2 games could be sold at £20 and still make a modest profit,
> we should be wondering why they are released at £39+ in most
> places,
The latest chip is the Neo2.2 but latest news is that
> Neo3 will arrive soon allowing all region dvd and games.
Piracy
> is wrong, but until games get cheaper what else can the poorer
> gamers do?
Kids will do it as they can get away with it, and get
> a game for pocket money prices, something that i notice SR can
> cottoned onto with its £9.99 range.
hope this helps
Bob
From earlier in this thread:
"creating any type of game is extremely expensive (Shenmue anyone?). Game production may cost upwards of 2 to 3 million dollars and that doesn't even take into consideration paying around $40k to $50k to an average of 30 employees every year. Then you look at marketing and manufacturing which is another million dollars or so. Finally, development houses will spend hours of extra time doing the little things such as building and updating websites, making demos, press releases, interviews, and much more.
Yet, there are still people that claim that they copy games because buying them off the shelves is just way to expensive. Some even say that game prices are rising and finding a good price is almost impossible. Well, that's just plain ludicrous if you ask me.
First of all, paying $40 to $50 for a game that took a diverse group of programmers, designers, artists, producers, product managers, manufacturers, and testers a good two years to create might not be as expensive as it sounds. Seriously, $40 or $50 is actually a generous price if you consider the hard work, hardships, money, and creative thinking that make up the complex development process.
Secondly, game prices have actually dropped significantly in the last four or five years. I remember back when the Nintendo 64 was first released you couldn't find a game for under $50 or $60. Actually, back then the game prices were one of the main reasons I did not purchase a Nintendo 64. Nowadays, though, most games are released with a low to mid $40 price tag, a notable drop in prices.
However, some people will still argue that they can't afford that kind of money (mostly the younger types). Well, there are many ways to make money, including something called a job. If that's not in your league, you can always wait till the game comes out used. Used games are considerably lower than new games, usually $10 to $20 less. Even more, you can find many games online for cheap prices. Yet there are still lousy game pirates out there who continue to copy games illegally and sell them. Personally, I think it is a disgrace to the gaming industry if a customer would rather buy a pirated game than pay a measly $20 extra."
Hope this helps
FM
FantasyMeister wrote:
Maybe clean water, food, clothing and shelter might be
> a priority in the poorer countries. It depends how poor you want to
> go...
Yeah definatly. But that is where piracy is the biggest problem, in the poorer countries. So why deal with piracy out there when there's these other things to be delt with?
Maybe clean water, food, clothing and shelter might be
> a priority in the poorer countries. It depends how poor you want to
> go...
Yeah definatly. But that is where piracy is the biggest problem, in the poorer countries. So why deal with piracy out there when there's these other things to be delt with?
The real point here should be why are games so expensive?
When Ps2 games could be sold at £20 and still make a modest profit, we should be wondering why they are released at £39+ in most places,
The latest chip is the Neo2.2 but latest news is that Neo3 will arrive soon allowing all region dvd and games.
Piracy is wrong, but until games get cheaper what else can the poorer gamers do?
Kids will do it as they can get away with it, and get a game for pocket money prices, something that i notice SR can cottoned onto with its £9.99 range.
hope this helps
Bob
When Ps2 games could be sold at £20 and still make a modest profit, we should be wondering why they are released at £39+ in most places,
The latest chip is the Neo2.2 but latest news is that Neo3 will arrive soon allowing all region dvd and games.
Piracy is wrong, but until games get cheaper what else can the poorer gamers do?
Kids will do it as they can get away with it, and get a game for pocket money prices, something that i notice SR can cottoned onto with its £9.99 range.
hope this helps
Bob
It's one of those circle problems:
Games too expensive -> people pirate games -> games prices to go up compensate for losses due to piracy -> more people pirate/buy pirate games -> games prices go up....
etc etc.
Games too expensive -> people pirate games -> games prices to go up compensate for losses due to piracy -> more people pirate/buy pirate games -> games prices go up....
etc etc.
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