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Go to the Nintendo forum. Go to the Gamecube VS Xbox debate. (read what i have said and see if you agree)
(i support Xbox by the way)
(i support Xbox by the way)
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Marzman wrote:
> Aren’t we part of the target market, as we grew up with Gameboys its
> already embedded in our culture and Sony, Nintendo must know this so
> as a push for younger customers will happen, won’t people in their
> late teens, early twenties also figure?
The Gameboy sells to kids, it's adult demographic is tiny and it is still the biggest selling system worldwide.
How many adults, older teens do you know that would buy a handheld device?????
I'm getting a DS to play in my room because I'm a hardcore gamer... I would never in a million years be seen out with one.
The same applies to the PSP if I decide to get one of them.
> Aren’t we part of the target market, as we grew up with Gameboys its
> already embedded in our culture and Sony, Nintendo must know this so
> as a push for younger customers will happen, won’t people in their
> late teens, early twenties also figure?
The Gameboy sells to kids, it's adult demographic is tiny and it is still the biggest selling system worldwide.
How many adults, older teens do you know that would buy a handheld device?????
I'm getting a DS to play in my room because I'm a hardcore gamer... I would never in a million years be seen out with one.
The same applies to the PSP if I decide to get one of them.
gamesfreak wrote:
> 12 year olds can't afford it, but their parents can.
Which is the exact reason why Nintendo sell so poorly, because Nintendo rely on parents to buy the system for their kids!
The DS is going to be much cheaper than the PSP it's been pretty much confirmed by both sides. The DS will be around £100 and the PSP around £200.
I know my parents would never spend £200 on me for Christmas let alone spend money on what looks to me like an extremley delicate machine. Of course the PSP is only going to hit the stores in time for Christmas in Japan so it doesn't actually matter.
Look at it, it's a high tech device... would your parents buy you an I-Pod at 12 years old?
15 plus perhaps but at about that age handheld gaming is certainly no longer a "cool" thing to do.
> 12 year olds can't afford it, but their parents can.
Which is the exact reason why Nintendo sell so poorly, because Nintendo rely on parents to buy the system for their kids!
The DS is going to be much cheaper than the PSP it's been pretty much confirmed by both sides. The DS will be around £100 and the PSP around £200.
I know my parents would never spend £200 on me for Christmas let alone spend money on what looks to me like an extremley delicate machine. Of course the PSP is only going to hit the stores in time for Christmas in Japan so it doesn't actually matter.
Look at it, it's a high tech device... would your parents buy you an I-Pod at 12 years old?
15 plus perhaps but at about that age handheld gaming is certainly no longer a "cool" thing to do.
Aren’t we part of the target market, as we grew up with Gameboys its already embedded in our culture and Sony, Nintendo must know this so as a push for younger customers will happen, won’t people in their late teens, early twenties also figure?
As for the Psp (I don’t know much about it), but I believe it will sell because its trendy and people will buy it to ‘look cool’ as has happened with the I-pod. The worst (in my view) value Mp3 player yet people still brought them in huge amounts, not because of its value(or lack of it)but due to its image.
Nintendo may find it (in my view) hard to sell by the image factor (due to Nintendo being wrongly seen as a kids manufacturer), so they are going to have to bring something great to it (more than it being backwards compatible).
Two quick points: 1- The N-gage was never a serious handheld console- its a phone
2- Specs maychange, they could both have abit less than they promised
As for the Psp (I don’t know much about it), but I believe it will sell because its trendy and people will buy it to ‘look cool’ as has happened with the I-pod. The worst (in my view) value Mp3 player yet people still brought them in huge amounts, not because of its value(or lack of it)but due to its image.
Nintendo may find it (in my view) hard to sell by the image factor (due to Nintendo being wrongly seen as a kids manufacturer), so they are going to have to bring something great to it (more than it being backwards compatible).
Two quick points: 1- The N-gage was never a serious handheld console- its a phone
2- Specs maychange, they could both have abit less than they promised
Dringo wrote:
> As for the PSP selling to 12 plus I'd be surprised. How many 12 year
> olds carry VERY expensive equipment worth £200 plus?
>
> How many 12 year olds can afford that?
>
> It's aimed at adults fool.
Its a portable handheld, its for kids and teenagers. Its what kids will ask for in there stockings at christmas. Have you not looked at the psp page the games that are planned for the console yeh they all look just for adults. Can you really see the DS being £100 cheaper than the PSP i doudt very much Sony would let that happen. Your be amazed nowadays as well kids are spoilt, and then you have all those young kids who brought a PSone as i was cheap, they would have come in to the gaming world playing Sony. I think it could be a very close battle between the to. You seem to be over confident to me, and as edgy says hes worried about Nintendo being over confident, although i am dubious of this. As they are planning to release the console at a cheaper price if they were really confident and thinking they were going to kick ass they would have released it at a much higher price.
> As for the PSP selling to 12 plus I'd be surprised. How many 12 year
> olds carry VERY expensive equipment worth £200 plus?
>
> How many 12 year olds can afford that?
>
> It's aimed at adults fool.
Its a portable handheld, its for kids and teenagers. Its what kids will ask for in there stockings at christmas. Have you not looked at the psp page the games that are planned for the console yeh they all look just for adults. Can you really see the DS being £100 cheaper than the PSP i doudt very much Sony would let that happen. Your be amazed nowadays as well kids are spoilt, and then you have all those young kids who brought a PSone as i was cheap, they would have come in to the gaming world playing Sony. I think it could be a very close battle between the to. You seem to be over confident to me, and as edgy says hes worried about Nintendo being over confident, although i am dubious of this. As they are planning to release the console at a cheaper price if they were really confident and thinking they were going to kick ass they would have released it at a much higher price.
12 year olds can't afford it, but their parents can.
Edgy wrote:
> I do believe Nintendo run the risk of being over confident Dringo.
Quotes not exactly right but damn close.
Satouri Iwati at E3 2003 "At least Sony have given us a massive head start to think how we will counteract them".
Reggie last week "The DS will have both mainstream and underground advertisement campaigns to try and counteract the PSP"
Yamauchi "We've learnt from our mistake with the Playstation, we won't be making that same mistake again".
Sounds to me if Nintendo are far more ready than you think.
As for the PSP selling to 12 plus I'd be surprised. How many 12 year olds carry VERY expensive equipment worth £200 plus?
How many 12 year olds can afford that?
It's aimed at adults fool.
> I do believe Nintendo run the risk of being over confident Dringo.
Quotes not exactly right but damn close.
Satouri Iwati at E3 2003 "At least Sony have given us a massive head start to think how we will counteract them".
Reggie last week "The DS will have both mainstream and underground advertisement campaigns to try and counteract the PSP"
Yamauchi "We've learnt from our mistake with the Playstation, we won't be making that same mistake again".
Sounds to me if Nintendo are far more ready than you think.
As for the PSP selling to 12 plus I'd be surprised. How many 12 year olds carry VERY expensive equipment worth £200 plus?
How many 12 year olds can afford that?
It's aimed at adults fool.
It'll probably be as large as the one that comes with the N-gage - enough memory for 2 songs.
I thought Sony were including a free memory card with the handheld, although its probably tiny? It would make sense.
What people fail to understand is that the DS Does have the capability to play movies and MP3s.
The DS carts are similar to Flash technology as is my understanding. So all it would take is for someone like Datel (Codejunkies) to create something similar to their various devices that connect to PC so that you could transfer MP3 audio files to the cartridge, include some software to play the MP3s, and there you go!
As for movies, a simple program to play them is all that would be needed and movies could easily be put onto a DS cart. After all, 20-30 minute cartoon episodes fit onto GBA cartridges at the moment.
I do believe Nintendo run the risk of being over confident Dringo. You mention the N-Gage. The reason that doesn't sell to the average gamer is because the average gamer knows that the games are pretty pants. I've tried Red Faction and the frame rate was terrible. The music crap, the controls crap and the game in general...crap. Same with Fifa 2004. The screen is the wrong shape too, which doesn't help. I do use the N-Gage as a radio and MP3 player though - however that's on the odd occasion I forget my MD player.
Sony have already made a mistake though: Memory cards.
"I don't want to pay £20 for a PS2 memory card, don't you do cheaper ones?"
"No, Sony wont allow us to sell any"
"Oh, well I'll have to look elsewhere then"
That's the typical conversation I had when working for Game over PS2 memory cards. They are a ripoff. £20 for an 8MB memory card when you can get 256MB SD cards for £30. Sony are certainly raking in the dollars here and the customers know it. If they find out that they'll have to pay more for the PSP, fork out for memory cards because someone forgot that game discs aren't re-writable, then chances are they'll go for the cheaper option. I know that's the reason I've been able to sell Xboxes in my job.
The DS carts are similar to Flash technology as is my understanding. So all it would take is for someone like Datel (Codejunkies) to create something similar to their various devices that connect to PC so that you could transfer MP3 audio files to the cartridge, include some software to play the MP3s, and there you go!
As for movies, a simple program to play them is all that would be needed and movies could easily be put onto a DS cart. After all, 20-30 minute cartoon episodes fit onto GBA cartridges at the moment.
I do believe Nintendo run the risk of being over confident Dringo. You mention the N-Gage. The reason that doesn't sell to the average gamer is because the average gamer knows that the games are pretty pants. I've tried Red Faction and the frame rate was terrible. The music crap, the controls crap and the game in general...crap. Same with Fifa 2004. The screen is the wrong shape too, which doesn't help. I do use the N-Gage as a radio and MP3 player though - however that's on the odd occasion I forget my MD player.
Sony have already made a mistake though: Memory cards.
"I don't want to pay £20 for a PS2 memory card, don't you do cheaper ones?"
"No, Sony wont allow us to sell any"
"Oh, well I'll have to look elsewhere then"
That's the typical conversation I had when working for Game over PS2 memory cards. They are a ripoff. £20 for an 8MB memory card when you can get 256MB SD cards for £30. Sony are certainly raking in the dollars here and the customers know it. If they find out that they'll have to pay more for the PSP, fork out for memory cards because someone forgot that game discs aren't re-writable, then chances are they'll go for the cheaper option. I know that's the reason I've been able to sell Xboxes in my job.
Dringo wrote:
> The PSP is going to cost a bomb and will only sell to the adult
> market...
I doudt it. It will mainly sell to 12+ that is what the games are designed for. Where as i owuld say the DS is more of 3+ and will also appeal to the adult market with paticular games and features.
> The PSP is going to cost a bomb and will only sell to the adult
> market...
I doudt it. It will mainly sell to 12+ that is what the games are designed for. Where as i owuld say the DS is more of 3+ and will also appeal to the adult market with paticular games and features.
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