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Recently, Religion has come up in a number of discussions and it would be good to discuss them. EVERYONE has a belief. This topic has some effect in a lot of lifes.
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whats all this preaching crap? i'm not preching that you should all be vegetarians. U all have your own minds, and are more than capable of deciding how you run your life.
Rakuga, u really feel strongly about this dont you? why exactly? Personally i dont eat meat because:
A: I think its disguisting, and nothing different to eating another human.
B: the animal is suffering.
Everything on earth is put here for a meaning, just dont forget that. you say a fish doesnt feel much pain when it dies, maybe it doesnt but it is a living creature that lives a happy life. also u pointed out that plants also suffer pain when we eat them for our food. yes again this is true. BUt its all like a hierarcy. killing a human being at the top, and killing a plant at the bottom. hell, i have to eat somthin, i cant starve. and i believe by eating fruit and vegetables, i am doing myself the least injustice to God.
another thing, i didnt say everyone who eats meat goes to hell. we are already living in hell.
Rakuga, u really feel strongly about this dont you? why exactly? Personally i dont eat meat because:
A: I think its disguisting, and nothing different to eating another human.
B: the animal is suffering.
Everything on earth is put here for a meaning, just dont forget that. you say a fish doesnt feel much pain when it dies, maybe it doesnt but it is a living creature that lives a happy life. also u pointed out that plants also suffer pain when we eat them for our food. yes again this is true. BUt its all like a hierarcy. killing a human being at the top, and killing a plant at the bottom. hell, i have to eat somthin, i cant starve. and i believe by eating fruit and vegetables, i am doing myself the least injustice to God.
another thing, i didnt say everyone who eats meat goes to hell. we are already living in hell.
Yes my friends girlfriend keeps going on about how im a murderer as does my friend now (who she converted - he basically wanted to impress her and has been one for several months now). Ok your a vegetarian fine but leave me alone I don't care about your views!
The only downside to being a vegetarian, as far as I can see, if that you have to be really, really preachy about it and tell everyone that you are the only correct person.
Veron 4 wrote:
2. dont eat meat.
I totally don't agree with us. I am strongly against vegetarianism and this is why..
Lets go back to the beginning to time where the first humans sprang up. What did they eat? They probably ate vegetables growing around them and.. meat. They hunted animals for fur and food as they had no clothes - they were getting cold and had no other food they were getting hungry.
If you are saying you can't eat meat does this mean all of these people went to hell? The answer is no for that is ridiculous. If the answer was yes then the first men would have been able to survive without meat. As we know today meat is part of a balanced healthy diet for us and without it we will die. As a vegetarian which you must be you probably eat quorn proteins and vitamins. The people at the beginning of time didn't have these essential foods to help them live. God didn't create vitamins or quorn - we did after experimenting over many years. If God wanted us to eat vegetables and not meat then he would have created us differently. He would have made us like rabbits.
If we all became vegetarians think of the consequences. We would be causing populations to grow and grow which makes food for other creatures like foxes who multiply under the thriving conditions of food availability. Foxes are made to eat meat as are many other animals whether it be fish that a bigger fish eats or gazelles a lion eats. Why do you think a food chain exists with plants like plankton at the bottom and top carnivores like ourself at the top. The point is we were made to eat meat just like smaller creatures were made to eat things like plankton.
Your idea that we shouldnt eat meat is ludicrous. If we do it does that mean we have to stop other carnivores from eating meat. After all if God is going to tell us off for eating meat and not protecting the animals he made we should try to help the creatures that are still being eaten. Really this is an absolute stupid idea. The concept of vegetarianism is just ridiculous. Sure I understand you love animals and don't want them to suffer - very nice of you. This I respect but not understand. One thing I find hard to understand is you don't eat fish - they have the smallest brains and because of this will feel hardly any pain in dying. Why don't you eat them? Another thing is you devour lots and lots of plants instead of animals. All living things are sensitive even plants it's just animals can express themselves better :).
Also animals who don't want to be eaten need to adapt. Plenty of animals have adapted fur colour and defence mechanisms (hedgehogs come to mind) to stop themselves from getting eaten the others don't. It's the way are ecosystem is built. It may be upsetting to know a lamb has died for your food but it's life I'm sorry. Death happens all the time whether at the hands of a lion or a person.
My sisters a vegetarian and I have tried to explain this to her over and over again (but like all other vegetarians she is ignorant and won't change her mind). And if you are going to be ignorant please don't try changing your mind with your leaflets you hand outside.
2. dont eat meat.
I totally don't agree with us. I am strongly against vegetarianism and this is why..
Lets go back to the beginning to time where the first humans sprang up. What did they eat? They probably ate vegetables growing around them and.. meat. They hunted animals for fur and food as they had no clothes - they were getting cold and had no other food they were getting hungry.
If you are saying you can't eat meat does this mean all of these people went to hell? The answer is no for that is ridiculous. If the answer was yes then the first men would have been able to survive without meat. As we know today meat is part of a balanced healthy diet for us and without it we will die. As a vegetarian which you must be you probably eat quorn proteins and vitamins. The people at the beginning of time didn't have these essential foods to help them live. God didn't create vitamins or quorn - we did after experimenting over many years. If God wanted us to eat vegetables and not meat then he would have created us differently. He would have made us like rabbits.
If we all became vegetarians think of the consequences. We would be causing populations to grow and grow which makes food for other creatures like foxes who multiply under the thriving conditions of food availability. Foxes are made to eat meat as are many other animals whether it be fish that a bigger fish eats or gazelles a lion eats. Why do you think a food chain exists with plants like plankton at the bottom and top carnivores like ourself at the top. The point is we were made to eat meat just like smaller creatures were made to eat things like plankton.
Your idea that we shouldnt eat meat is ludicrous. If we do it does that mean we have to stop other carnivores from eating meat. After all if God is going to tell us off for eating meat and not protecting the animals he made we should try to help the creatures that are still being eaten. Really this is an absolute stupid idea. The concept of vegetarianism is just ridiculous. Sure I understand you love animals and don't want them to suffer - very nice of you. This I respect but not understand. One thing I find hard to understand is you don't eat fish - they have the smallest brains and because of this will feel hardly any pain in dying. Why don't you eat them? Another thing is you devour lots and lots of plants instead of animals. All living things are sensitive even plants it's just animals can express themselves better :).
Also animals who don't want to be eaten need to adapt. Plenty of animals have adapted fur colour and defence mechanisms (hedgehogs come to mind) to stop themselves from getting eaten the others don't. It's the way are ecosystem is built. It may be upsetting to know a lamb has died for your food but it's life I'm sorry. Death happens all the time whether at the hands of a lion or a person.
My sisters a vegetarian and I have tried to explain this to her over and over again (but like all other vegetarians she is ignorant and won't change her mind). And if you are going to be ignorant please don't try changing your mind with your leaflets you hand outside.
Andrew Hunt wrote:
I have sined, sex before marige,
> working on the sabath
If you are talking about Christianity working on the Sabbath is not a sin. In the words of Jesus "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath". Thats Judaism.
I have sined, sex before marige,
> working on the sabath
If you are talking about Christianity working on the Sabbath is not a sin. In the words of Jesus "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath". Thats Judaism.
Hmmm all that I would have said has been said...
Mainly from Goatboy... so that saves me writing a lot... oh yeah I always use that 'The Bible is full of contradictions' :D.
Meka always says something along the lines of "Think what you want just don't expect me to"
There
Mainly from Goatboy... so that saves me writing a lot... oh yeah I always use that 'The Bible is full of contradictions' :D.
Meka always says something along the lines of "Think what you want just don't expect me to"
There
I am not religious because the bible and other religious books are full of contradictions. For example:
God is all forgiving and so when you go up to the pearly gates if you say you are sorry and there is a single good bone in your body then he will let you into heaven. But then what is hell for? Only the true evil will go to hell which means the devil and daemion (mind the spelling).
I remember my RS course at school. We spent 6 months discussing the existance of god (it was a two week topic) and then got 18% in my exam.
I do not mind if people believe in god as it is up to everyone to decide on their own and I think good informed debates can help this proccess but I do not like people who try to force their religious views on me. OK I have sined, sex before marige, working on the sabath and getting drunk every Friday (is that an actual sin?). But most people I know break these sins and more. My point is we do not need to be told we are sinners and that we will go to hell. It just ruins a good night out.
God is all forgiving and so when you go up to the pearly gates if you say you are sorry and there is a single good bone in your body then he will let you into heaven. But then what is hell for? Only the true evil will go to hell which means the devil and daemion (mind the spelling).
I remember my RS course at school. We spent 6 months discussing the existance of god (it was a two week topic) and then got 18% in my exam.
I do not mind if people believe in god as it is up to everyone to decide on their own and I think good informed debates can help this proccess but I do not like people who try to force their religious views on me. OK I have sined, sex before marige, working on the sabath and getting drunk every Friday (is that an actual sin?). But most people I know break these sins and more. My point is we do not need to be told we are sinners and that we will go to hell. It just ruins a good night out.
that was close........i nearly did all those things in that list you wrote you shouldn't today.
luckly i got a salad instead of chicken pie!
luckly i got a salad instead of chicken pie!
i dont follow any religion, but instead i just follow a certain set of rules in my life. These rules are based on my theory we are judged by GOD. If we are good, we go to heaven. If we are bad we stay here on earth.
1. Dont kill anyone.
2. dont eat meat.
3. dont take drugs.
4. dont take alcohol.
Thats about it really. I really do believe that this is all it takes to get to heaven, just live a morale life.
Oh, one more ting. The Devil is a servant of GOD. THe devil is the one who judges us. THe temptations on this earth are all provided by the devil. if we can resist these, we will pass the gates into heaven.
Please feel free to comment on what i have said.
1. Dont kill anyone.
2. dont eat meat.
3. dont take drugs.
4. dont take alcohol.
Thats about it really. I really do believe that this is all it takes to get to heaven, just live a morale life.
Oh, one more ting. The Devil is a servant of GOD. THe devil is the one who judges us. THe temptations on this earth are all provided by the devil. if we can resist these, we will pass the gates into heaven.
Please feel free to comment on what i have said.
Goatboy wrote:
> Rakuga wrote:
Humanists don't believe in a God but believe in
> a
> Big Bang. This is what I don't understand. As I said
> before
> everything needs a creator.
So who created
> God?
If nothing could exist before the big bang, what existed
> before god?
If you believe that the universe could not have
> existed forever, in and of itself, then you also have to accept that
> god can also not be infinite.
"It has to have started
> somewhere" is the argument against humanist viewpoint.
Well,
> ok, what was before god then?
(This is NOT a flame, this is me
> being genuinely interested in the response from a believer)
I
> dont see why the universe could not have just been there, whilst God
> has always been there.
It's just a perception of time.
We think we
> live a long life, 70-80 years.
Compared to a tree, it's nothing, or
> a mountain.
Just because we think 8 billion years is a long time,
> doesn't make it so.
All this is confusing...
Look, I don't judge whether God exists or not on factual evidence, or where the universe came from. I judge on whether I feel God's presence-and I do.
I broke a promise I made to God a few days ago. I was so angry with myself, I felt I had betrayed a best friend. I hated that feeling.
I have seen the changes God has made to people's life and mine-and that's why I believe in him.
Where did he come from?? Who knows? But that is a question I hope to ask God when I die.
Where did everything start?? We will never know. You will always wonder what came before this, what came before that-and we're never going to figure it out. I don't think we are, anyway.
It's nice to hear all your opinions though, and it's good to have a decent religious topic. Well done for creating this, Grandprix.
> Rakuga wrote:
Humanists don't believe in a God but believe in
> a
> Big Bang. This is what I don't understand. As I said
> before
> everything needs a creator.
So who created
> God?
If nothing could exist before the big bang, what existed
> before god?
If you believe that the universe could not have
> existed forever, in and of itself, then you also have to accept that
> god can also not be infinite.
"It has to have started
> somewhere" is the argument against humanist viewpoint.
Well,
> ok, what was before god then?
(This is NOT a flame, this is me
> being genuinely interested in the response from a believer)
I
> dont see why the universe could not have just been there, whilst God
> has always been there.
It's just a perception of time.
We think we
> live a long life, 70-80 years.
Compared to a tree, it's nothing, or
> a mountain.
Just because we think 8 billion years is a long time,
> doesn't make it so.
All this is confusing...
Look, I don't judge whether God exists or not on factual evidence, or where the universe came from. I judge on whether I feel God's presence-and I do.
I broke a promise I made to God a few days ago. I was so angry with myself, I felt I had betrayed a best friend. I hated that feeling.
I have seen the changes God has made to people's life and mine-and that's why I believe in him.
Where did he come from?? Who knows? But that is a question I hope to ask God when I die.
Where did everything start?? We will never know. You will always wonder what came before this, what came before that-and we're never going to figure it out. I don't think we are, anyway.
It's nice to hear all your opinions though, and it's good to have a decent religious topic. Well done for creating this, Grandprix.
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