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You may be wondering about what is meant in the title? Well, although games are designed and perceived as 3d worlds, they are still shown on a 2d screen, and are still interacted with in only 2d... usually simply with a "jump" button to allow some 3rd dimensional freedom.
So... how do u solve this? Simple... make a Holodeck!
Ok, so it's not easy- but there is a way...
Does anyone here know Jez San? He's head of Argonauts, and in the top 100 rich list after having sold the hardware part of the company. Anyway, before he sold the company, they reveilled a new display device that escentially projected a 3d image above it! Now... if only they could get an and release it! (Although no news has been heard)
Another idea is one that the US military uses to track its tanks. It's a horizontal screen that you look down onto, but the image is in 3d! Fantastic... if only someone could make a cheap version of it!
The final idea for display devices that I have just remembered is a new type of TV... the program is filmed from several angles, and these are then converted into a signal to the TV, where they are remade... in 3d! Like the virtual boy's display, but only you don't need to look into gogles, and when finnished will be i full colour and high resolution. This idea is being developed by some top Japanese company (I think that it is Toshiba).
Now. How to interact with this world? Well, we've tried 3D gloves, and big virtual reality boxes are a bit big! But thinking about it, all controllers are the same- plastic with coloured buttons on... can no-noe think of something better? Maybe some sort of eye-tracking device that could tell how far away you were looking? Maybe not.. but something needs to be used!
Anyway, my final point. Some of you may ask "Why not play games as they are... anyway, this new 3D environment would be too hard to get lots of people to adopt, and will also alienate so many gamers." The answer is this... "Eventually in the future of gaming this idea will be faced... and conquered. It's enevitable, and this being the FOG means that it's totally relevant"
I'll see u in 50 years when we plug ourselves into games ala eXistenZ ;)
Sonic
So... how do u solve this? Simple... make a Holodeck!
Ok, so it's not easy- but there is a way...
Does anyone here know Jez San? He's head of Argonauts, and in the top 100 rich list after having sold the hardware part of the company. Anyway, before he sold the company, they reveilled a new display device that escentially projected a 3d image above it! Now... if only they could get an and release it! (Although no news has been heard)
Another idea is one that the US military uses to track its tanks. It's a horizontal screen that you look down onto, but the image is in 3d! Fantastic... if only someone could make a cheap version of it!
The final idea for display devices that I have just remembered is a new type of TV... the program is filmed from several angles, and these are then converted into a signal to the TV, where they are remade... in 3d! Like the virtual boy's display, but only you don't need to look into gogles, and when finnished will be i full colour and high resolution. This idea is being developed by some top Japanese company (I think that it is Toshiba).
Now. How to interact with this world? Well, we've tried 3D gloves, and big virtual reality boxes are a bit big! But thinking about it, all controllers are the same- plastic with coloured buttons on... can no-noe think of something better? Maybe some sort of eye-tracking device that could tell how far away you were looking? Maybe not.. but something needs to be used!
Anyway, my final point. Some of you may ask "Why not play games as they are... anyway, this new 3D environment would be too hard to get lots of people to adopt, and will also alienate so many gamers." The answer is this... "Eventually in the future of gaming this idea will be faced... and conquered. It's enevitable, and this being the FOG means that it's totally relevant"
I'll see u in 50 years when we plug ourselves into games ala eXistenZ ;)
Sonic
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Bonus wrote:
You are
> talking (expletetive deleted) if the step is not there you would
> fall over, and the game would be pointless, whether you felt it or
> not, it would still be difficult to walk up a non existent stair
> case.
THEY ARE DOING THIS NOW
This does exist... its happening as we speak... some professor is jumping around inside his suit having a laugh in the name of science (and an bigger grant)
Whether you think its hard or impossible to do, or whatever, is irrelivent because its currently happengin...
its part of todays technology
You are
> talking (expletetive deleted) if the step is not there you would
> fall over, and the game would be pointless, whether you felt it or
> not, it would still be difficult to walk up a non existent stair
> case.
THEY ARE DOING THIS NOW
This does exist... its happening as we speak... some professor is jumping around inside his suit having a laugh in the name of science (and an bigger grant)
Whether you think its hard or impossible to do, or whatever, is irrelivent because its currently happengin...
its part of todays technology
Armatige Shanks wrote:
It doesnt matter if they are there or not...
> the person would feel the step beneath their feet and think they are
> there...
Right, got it.
You are talking (expletetive deleted) if the step is not there you would fall over, and the game would be pointless, whether you felt it or not, it would still be difficult to walk up a non existent stair case.
It doesnt matter if they are there or not...
> the person would feel the step beneath their feet and think they are
> there...
Right, got it.
You are talking (expletetive deleted) if the step is not there you would fall over, and the game would be pointless, whether you felt it or not, it would still be difficult to walk up a non existent stair case.
Bonus wrote:
> Either I don't understand or someone is blehtering.
you REALLY dont understand
> Either I don't understand or someone is blehtering.
you REALLY dont understand
SonicRav wrote:
> since i left for lunch things have gone mental
Sonic
lol@sonic :)
> since i left for lunch things have gone mental
Sonic
lol@sonic :)
Bonus wrote:
> Yep, I get that, but what happens about this not being real, I still
> think that it wont be possible to fool the brain into thinking that
> it is fully immersed into an environment as even the weight of the
> suit etc.
It happens with books all the time...
Playing FPS games allows the users to think they are wandering down a corridor waiting for a monster to jump out...
its all the same thing really...
and the fatc the user knows it isn't real will be a
> problem, without tampering with the brain.
Why are you obsessed with brain tampering... eople are a lot more fallible than you seem to think...
It would also confine
> the user into a single room, you cannot walk out of imaginary doors,
yes you can... if you can feel walls, you can walk throiugh doors...
> say you thought you were going to the bathroom, but because of the
> way you were walking, you ended up getting hit by a bus for real,
You wouldnt be walking around the real world... this would all take place (physically) in a limited environment... it would just seem like a vast environment within the game world
> (again a little extreme, but it makes the point) and walking up
> stairs in a VR environment might be a little difficult if they are
> not actually there.
It doesnt matter if they are there or not... the person would feel the step beneath their feet and think they are there...
its not actually doing something thats important... its thinking your doing something...
> Yep, I get that, but what happens about this not being real, I still
> think that it wont be possible to fool the brain into thinking that
> it is fully immersed into an environment as even the weight of the
> suit etc.
It happens with books all the time...
Playing FPS games allows the users to think they are wandering down a corridor waiting for a monster to jump out...
its all the same thing really...
and the fatc the user knows it isn't real will be a
> problem, without tampering with the brain.
Why are you obsessed with brain tampering... eople are a lot more fallible than you seem to think...
It would also confine
> the user into a single room, you cannot walk out of imaginary doors,
yes you can... if you can feel walls, you can walk throiugh doors...
> say you thought you were going to the bathroom, but because of the
> way you were walking, you ended up getting hit by a bus for real,
You wouldnt be walking around the real world... this would all take place (physically) in a limited environment... it would just seem like a vast environment within the game world
> (again a little extreme, but it makes the point) and walking up
> stairs in a VR environment might be a little difficult if they are
> not actually there.
It doesnt matter if they are there or not... the person would feel the step beneath their feet and think they are there...
its not actually doing something thats important... its thinking your doing something...
Either I don't understand or someone is blehtering.
since i left for lunch things have gone mental
Sonic
Sonic
Yep, I get that, but what happens about this not being real, I still think that it wont be possible to fool the brain into thinking that it is fully immersed into an environment as even the weight of the suit etc. and the fatc the user knows it isn't real will be a problem, without tampering with the brain. It would also confine the user into a single room, you cannot walk out of imaginary doors, say you thought you were going to the bathroom, but because of the way you were walking, you ended up getting hit by a bus for real, (again a little extreme, but it makes the point) and walking up stairs in a VR environment might be a little difficult if they are not actually there.
Bonus wrote:
> No, the picture on the scree is made up of real bouncing electrons,
> charged to produce colours or something like that, the picture is
> real, how it is being produce is through technology, but that
> doesn't make it any less real (the picture not the game scenario),
> unlike being bitten by a computer dog, and not having it hurt.
I think your missing the point here...
The suit is real... that is contracts and exponds is real... the effect when controlled by a computer + the given visual stimuli of the VR headset give the body the impression that it is touching a wall... therefore the person thinks he is touching a wall..
In the same way the the picture presented by the electrons is real... but the control of the electrons to create an image which we think of as being a picture is controlled by the computer
> No, the picture on the scree is made up of real bouncing electrons,
> charged to produce colours or something like that, the picture is
> real, how it is being produce is through technology, but that
> doesn't make it any less real (the picture not the game scenario),
> unlike being bitten by a computer dog, and not having it hurt.
I think your missing the point here...
The suit is real... that is contracts and exponds is real... the effect when controlled by a computer + the given visual stimuli of the VR headset give the body the impression that it is touching a wall... therefore the person thinks he is touching a wall..
In the same way the the picture presented by the electrons is real... but the control of the electrons to create an image which we think of as being a picture is controlled by the computer
No, the picture on the scree is made up of real bouncing electrons, charged to produce colours or something like that, the picture is real, how it is being produce is through technology, but that doesn't make it any less real (the picture not the game scenario), unlike being bitten by a computer dog, and not having it hurt.
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