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You may be wondering about what is meant in the title? Well, although games are designed and perceived as 3d worlds, they are still shown on a 2d screen, and are still interacted with in only 2d... usually simply with a "jump" button to allow some 3rd dimensional freedom.
So... how do u solve this? Simple... make a Holodeck!
Ok, so it's not easy- but there is a way...
Does anyone here know Jez San? He's head of Argonauts, and in the top 100 rich list after having sold the hardware part of the company. Anyway, before he sold the company, they reveilled a new display device that escentially projected a 3d image above it! Now... if only they could get an and release it! (Although no news has been heard)
Another idea is one that the US military uses to track its tanks. It's a horizontal screen that you look down onto, but the image is in 3d! Fantastic... if only someone could make a cheap version of it!
The final idea for display devices that I have just remembered is a new type of TV... the program is filmed from several angles, and these are then converted into a signal to the TV, where they are remade... in 3d! Like the virtual boy's display, but only you don't need to look into gogles, and when finnished will be i full colour and high resolution. This idea is being developed by some top Japanese company (I think that it is Toshiba).
Now. How to interact with this world? Well, we've tried 3D gloves, and big virtual reality boxes are a bit big! But thinking about it, all controllers are the same- plastic with coloured buttons on... can no-noe think of something better? Maybe some sort of eye-tracking device that could tell how far away you were looking? Maybe not.. but something needs to be used!
Anyway, my final point. Some of you may ask "Why not play games as they are... anyway, this new 3D environment would be too hard to get lots of people to adopt, and will also alienate so many gamers." The answer is this... "Eventually in the future of gaming this idea will be faced... and conquered. It's enevitable, and this being the FOG means that it's totally relevant"
I'll see u in 50 years when we plug ourselves into games ala eXistenZ ;)
Sonic
So... how do u solve this? Simple... make a Holodeck!
Ok, so it's not easy- but there is a way...
Does anyone here know Jez San? He's head of Argonauts, and in the top 100 rich list after having sold the hardware part of the company. Anyway, before he sold the company, they reveilled a new display device that escentially projected a 3d image above it! Now... if only they could get an and release it! (Although no news has been heard)
Another idea is one that the US military uses to track its tanks. It's a horizontal screen that you look down onto, but the image is in 3d! Fantastic... if only someone could make a cheap version of it!
The final idea for display devices that I have just remembered is a new type of TV... the program is filmed from several angles, and these are then converted into a signal to the TV, where they are remade... in 3d! Like the virtual boy's display, but only you don't need to look into gogles, and when finnished will be i full colour and high resolution. This idea is being developed by some top Japanese company (I think that it is Toshiba).
Now. How to interact with this world? Well, we've tried 3D gloves, and big virtual reality boxes are a bit big! But thinking about it, all controllers are the same- plastic with coloured buttons on... can no-noe think of something better? Maybe some sort of eye-tracking device that could tell how far away you were looking? Maybe not.. but something needs to be used!
Anyway, my final point. Some of you may ask "Why not play games as they are... anyway, this new 3D environment would be too hard to get lots of people to adopt, and will also alienate so many gamers." The answer is this... "Eventually in the future of gaming this idea will be faced... and conquered. It's enevitable, and this being the FOG means that it's totally relevant"
I'll see u in 50 years when we plug ourselves into games ala eXistenZ ;)
Sonic
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Bonus wrote:
> But, if the step isn't there how can you stand on it???
Your not... you just think you are
> But, if the step isn't there how can you stand on it???
Your not... you just think you are
But, if the step isn't there how can you stand on it???
Bonus wrote:
> Right I get that, but how can that let you walk up an imaginary
> flight of stairs?? try standing up then one after the other lift
> both feet off of the ground, as if you were walking up starirs, it
> can't be done!!
It doesnt matter that your just putting your foot up and down... as long as the contractions and various parts of both legs and the visual output presnt the impression of pressure you'll be fine...
although... banisters are a differnt problem altogether
> Right I get that, but how can that let you walk up an imaginary
> flight of stairs?? try standing up then one after the other lift
> both feet off of the ground, as if you were walking up starirs, it
> can't be done!!
It doesnt matter that your just putting your foot up and down... as long as the contractions and various parts of both legs and the visual output presnt the impression of pressure you'll be fine...
although... banisters are a differnt problem altogether
Right I get that, but how can that let you walk up an imaginary flight of stairs?? try standing up then one after the other lift both feet off of the ground, as if you were walking up starirs, it can't be done!!
Bonus wrote:
> No, but the person knows that they are sitting on a chair in front
> of a PC, playing a game, they are not fully immersed because they
> know this is the way that things are!!
It wasnt a literal example.
To walk up a stair case
> which is not there is physically impossible, even if something shows
> your eyes it is there and tells your nerves that you are standing on
> something, you are not. It is physically impossible to walk up a
> flight of stairs, if they do not exist!!
Thats what the body suit does... it by contracting and relaxing at numerous key areas of the suit, it provides wide of small areas of varying pressure, which can ...
If a person lifts there arm and pushes forward, to which the suit contracts at the elbow, stopping the arm moving forward... if it also contracted at the front/palm of the forward facing hand, it would feel to the person that they were pushing their hand against a wall... even though they are standing in the middle of the room...
> No, but the person knows that they are sitting on a chair in front
> of a PC, playing a game, they are not fully immersed because they
> know this is the way that things are!!
It wasnt a literal example.
To walk up a stair case
> which is not there is physically impossible, even if something shows
> your eyes it is there and tells your nerves that you are standing on
> something, you are not. It is physically impossible to walk up a
> flight of stairs, if they do not exist!!
Thats what the body suit does... it by contracting and relaxing at numerous key areas of the suit, it provides wide of small areas of varying pressure, which can ...
If a person lifts there arm and pushes forward, to which the suit contracts at the elbow, stopping the arm moving forward... if it also contracted at the front/palm of the forward facing hand, it would feel to the person that they were pushing their hand against a wall... even though they are standing in the middle of the room...
No, but the person knows that they are sitting on a chair in front of a PC, playing a game, they are not fully immersed because they know this is the way that things are!!
To walk up a stair case which is not there is physically impossible, even if something shows your eyes it is there and tells your nerves that you are standing on something, you are not. It is physically impossible to walk up a flight of stairs, if they do not exist!!
To walk up a stair case which is not there is physically impossible, even if something shows your eyes it is there and tells your nerves that you are standing on something, you are not. It is physically impossible to walk up a flight of stairs, if they do not exist!!
Bonus wrote:
> Nah, you would know if you lifted your leg and then put it down on
> the same level, you would just be getting your eyes telling you a
> different story, you really are getting a bit silly with this. Just
> take a step back and look at what you are saying.
But the body suit has areas where is expands and contracts allowing the wearing to think that (with th accompanying visual stimuli) he/she is walking up a flight of stairs...
When you play doom and you walk down a corridor... your not really walking down a corridor, it just seems like your walking down a corridor, even though the corridor doesnt actually exist...
Its a different principle, but the same effect...
> Nah, you would know if you lifted your leg and then put it down on
> the same level, you would just be getting your eyes telling you a
> different story, you really are getting a bit silly with this. Just
> take a step back and look at what you are saying.
But the body suit has areas where is expands and contracts allowing the wearing to think that (with th accompanying visual stimuli) he/she is walking up a flight of stairs...
When you play doom and you walk down a corridor... your not really walking down a corridor, it just seems like your walking down a corridor, even though the corridor doesnt actually exist...
Its a different principle, but the same effect...
Nah, you would know if you lifted your leg and then put it down on the same level, you would just be getting your eyes telling you a different story, you really are getting a bit silly with this. Just take a step back and look at what you are saying.
Lift leg, put leg on step, step is not there but I can feel it, lift other leg, wait a minute, my body can't levitate so I have to put my other leg down, but it's on a step, damn, oh yeah the step ISN'T there, put foot down through step, now I am shin deep in steps, "Someone gonnae get me a ladder, it might work better!""
Lift leg, put leg on step, step is not there but I can feel it, lift other leg, wait a minute, my body can't levitate so I have to put my other leg down, but it's on a step, damn, oh yeah the step ISN'T there, put foot down through step, now I am shin deep in steps, "Someone gonnae get me a ladder, it might work better!""
Bonus wrote:
> So you are telling me that, right now, someone can stand on a step
> right in front of them which isn't actually there???
Go and try
> it, stand up, move to an open space in front of you, close your eyes
> and stand on that step!!
No... I'm telling you someone can THINK they are standing on a step which isnt in front of them...
There not ACTUALLY standing on the step... it just appears that way to the user
> So you are telling me that, right now, someone can stand on a step
> right in front of them which isn't actually there???
Go and try
> it, stand up, move to an open space in front of you, close your eyes
> and stand on that step!!
No... I'm telling you someone can THINK they are standing on a step which isnt in front of them...
There not ACTUALLY standing on the step... it just appears that way to the user
So you are telling me that, right now, someone can stand on a step right in front of them which isn't actually there???
Go and try it, stand up, move to an open space in front of you, close your eyes and stand on that step!!
Go and try it, stand up, move to an open space in front of you, close your eyes and stand on that step!!
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