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Fri 02/09/05 at 21:35
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"@RichSmedley"
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0-2 to England.

But Sven will change the formation before the Ireland game because he want's to "experiment".

Like he's not been doing that since he took over.
Sun 04/09/05 at 00:31
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He didn't say it was depressing.

There's no way England can even think about next year while playing like they have in their past two games.

I worry about your continuous optimism - what are you taking?
Sun 04/09/05 at 00:27
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Posts: 18,185
Craw wrote:

> If solid = gash then yes I guess you are right.
>
> A lucky deflection kept the vultures at bay. Could you imagine the
> response if you'd come out of this game 0-0..?
>
> England supporters really need to come down to earth.

We deserved to beat them. Our end products were edgy but it was always England's game.

Against a stronger team we'd be looking at defeat... but then again the formation and the mind set of the team will be different.

It was boring. But I would hardly say depressing.
Sun 04/09/05 at 00:07
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Ah, yes, well that's the thing - Rooney's not strictly a left winger for Man Utd, but that's technically his usual starting position, with Ronaldo on the right. Part of it why it works so well is the understanding between Rooney and Ronaldo, allowing them to on occasion continually switch flanks in a match. I suppose Rooney would ideally want to develop a similar winger-partnership with SWP for full effectiveness.

But the point is, if we do play Rooney on the left, we'd have no less width than Joe Cole is giving us at the moment, and probably a more intimidating presence on that side.

What Rooney also does superbly for Man Utd, is get the ball on the edge of the box, and then hold it in his feet - a position where he has many choices, one being to wait for the full-back on the left and then lay it across into their path. We saw that happen with O'Shea against Everton and it resulted in a goal.
Sat 03/09/05 at 23:59
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Quite a lot of last season, he was on the left wing, wasn't he?
Sat 03/09/05 at 23:52
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"twothousandandtits"
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J-42 wrote:
> SWP as an outside forward on the right, Rooney on the left - exactly
> where they play for their clubs.

As far as I understood it, Rooney wasn't designated a wing. He's allowed to drop back far behind van Nistelrooy, in the middle of the pitch, and pick up the ball from the defence and midfield, and given freedom to roam the wings so he can cross into RvN. I'm not sure I've ever seen him on the left wing, but I'm sure he could do it.
Sat 03/09/05 at 23:46
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"Comfortably Numb"
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©H®I§ wrote:
> Yes, by sitting back for the rest of the second half after scoring
> and letting Wales have more possession and put on pressure - when we
> should have been looking for at least another goal before even
> sitting back slightly.

Five to ten minutes, tops, of pressure from them, which we duly dealt with in the period when, bizarrely, we had no wingers and four central midfielders on the pitch. Whatever it was Sven was trying obviously wasn't giving us much joy in midfield, where we'd controlled the play for the entire game, so Richardson came on and we picked it up a bit.
Sat 03/09/05 at 23:43
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"Comfortably Numb"
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©H®I§ wrote:
> If you're doing that why not just put SWP on the right wing instead of
> up-front.

Well, that's what I mean.

SWP as an outside forward on the right, Rooney on the left - exactly where they play for their clubs.

Carrick will obviously be behind Beckham and Gerrard too, in that holding position, giving them license to come forward.
Sat 03/09/05 at 23:41
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"Comfortably Numb"
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Craw wrote:
> England supporters really need to come down to earth.

Wales had one decent attempt on goal whereas we had plenty. Wales didn't look like playing their own football whereas we dominated. We had a lot against us but managed a convincing win.

Don't patronise me with this "down to earth" rubbish. Anyone saying we struggled in that game needs to watch it again.
Sat 03/09/05 at 23:40
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"twothousandandtits"
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Joe Cole was ABYSMAL today. I wish he hadn't scored, makes it sound like he played well.
Sat 03/09/05 at 23:40
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"Better Than You"
Posts: 5,204
If you're doing that why not just put SWP on the right wing instead of up-front.

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