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Sibs wrote:
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> Yeah, there were heavier offshoots of metal at the time, but my point
> was really in relation to the statement that metal is more
> aggressive/angry than punk. What genre is more aggressive is
> dependant on the timescale you're looking at and what sub-section of
> the genre you look at. In the 80's the prevailing mood of punk was,
> as I understand it, hardcore, which was certainly more aggressive
> than the prevailing mood of metal, which as I understand it, was hair
> metal. Basically my point was that saying one genre is more
> aggressive/heavy/melodic/technical/whatever depends on the timescale
> you look at and the prevailing sub-section of that genre at the time
> (or what you percieve as the prevailing suc-section...)
Bloody Hell that's thoughtful.
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> Yeah, there were heavier offshoots of metal at the time, but my point
> was really in relation to the statement that metal is more
> aggressive/angry than punk. What genre is more aggressive is
> dependant on the timescale you're looking at and what sub-section of
> the genre you look at. In the 80's the prevailing mood of punk was,
> as I understand it, hardcore, which was certainly more aggressive
> than the prevailing mood of metal, which as I understand it, was hair
> metal. Basically my point was that saying one genre is more
> aggressive/heavy/melodic/technical/whatever depends on the timescale
> you look at and the prevailing sub-section of that genre at the time
> (or what you percieve as the prevailing suc-section...)
Bloody Hell that's thoughtful.
Bob_The_Moose wrote:
> Sibs wrote:
> If you listen to old 'hair' metal, then to some 80's hardcore, say
> The Exploited, Black Flag, Minor Threat, it's pretty clear that at
> that time hardcore was much more aggressive and 'angry' than a lot
> of
> metal...
>
>
> True, compared to hair metal but at the same time as hair metal there
> were bands like Venom, Death, Morbid Angel, Bathory around or just
> starting up. There was a lot of death/thrash metal around in the mid
> to late 80s which was in a whole different league to the likes of Bon
> Jovi and Van Halen.
Yeah, there were heavier offshoots of metal at the time, but my point was really in relation to the statement that metal is more aggressive/angry than punk. What genre is more aggressive is dependant on the timescale you're looking at and what sub-section of the genre you look at. In the 80's the prevailing mood of punk was, as I understand it, hardcore, which was certainly more aggressive than the prevailing mood of metal, which as I understand it, was hair metal. Basically my point was that saying one genre is more aggressive/heavy/melodic/technical/whatever depends on the timescale you look at and the prevailing sub-section of that genre at the time (or what you percieve as the prevailing suc-section...)
Meh.
> Sibs wrote:
> If you listen to old 'hair' metal, then to some 80's hardcore, say
> The Exploited, Black Flag, Minor Threat, it's pretty clear that at
> that time hardcore was much more aggressive and 'angry' than a lot
> of
> metal...
>
>
> True, compared to hair metal but at the same time as hair metal there
> were bands like Venom, Death, Morbid Angel, Bathory around or just
> starting up. There was a lot of death/thrash metal around in the mid
> to late 80s which was in a whole different league to the likes of Bon
> Jovi and Van Halen.
Yeah, there were heavier offshoots of metal at the time, but my point was really in relation to the statement that metal is more aggressive/angry than punk. What genre is more aggressive is dependant on the timescale you're looking at and what sub-section of the genre you look at. In the 80's the prevailing mood of punk was, as I understand it, hardcore, which was certainly more aggressive than the prevailing mood of metal, which as I understand it, was hair metal. Basically my point was that saying one genre is more aggressive/heavy/melodic/technical/whatever depends on the timescale you look at and the prevailing sub-section of that genre at the time (or what you percieve as the prevailing suc-section...)
Meh.
Bob_The_Moose wrote:
>
>
> True, compared to hair metal but at the same time as hair metal there
> were bands like Venom, Death, Morbid Angel, Bathory around or just
> starting up. There was a lot of death/thrash metal around in the mid
> to late 80s which was in a whole different league to the likes of Bon
> Jovi and Van Halen.
I've only just realised that. Heh.
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>
> True, compared to hair metal but at the same time as hair metal there
> were bands like Venom, Death, Morbid Angel, Bathory around or just
> starting up. There was a lot of death/thrash metal around in the mid
> to late 80s which was in a whole different league to the likes of Bon
> Jovi and Van Halen.
I've only just realised that. Heh.
Sibs wrote:
> If you listen to old 'hair' metal, then to some 80's hardcore, say
> The Exploited, Black Flag, Minor Threat, it's pretty clear that at
> that time hardcore was much more aggressive and 'angry' than a lot of
> metal...
>
True, compared to hair metal but at the same time as hair metal there were bands like Venom, Death, Morbid Angel, Bathory around or just starting up. There was a lot of death/thrash metal around in the mid to late 80s which was in a whole different league to the likes of Bon Jovi and Van Halen.
> If you listen to old 'hair' metal, then to some 80's hardcore, say
> The Exploited, Black Flag, Minor Threat, it's pretty clear that at
> that time hardcore was much more aggressive and 'angry' than a lot of
> metal...
>
True, compared to hair metal but at the same time as hair metal there were bands like Venom, Death, Morbid Angel, Bathory around or just starting up. There was a lot of death/thrash metal around in the mid to late 80s which was in a whole different league to the likes of Bon Jovi and Van Halen.
Paradox: wrote:
> you bum RA until they bleed, dontcha?
At least twice daily.
> you bum RA until they bleed, dontcha?
At least twice daily.
You can't really compare two genres of music though can you? In every one there's the good, the bad and the laughable.
It also depends very much on how people percieve each genre. Many punk bands now incorporate some metallic influence into their sound, and a lot of modern metal has been heavily influenced by hardcore, itself an offshoot of punk...
If you listen to old 'hair' metal, then to some 80's hardcore, say The Exploited, Black Flag, Minor Threat, it's pretty clear that at that time hardcore was much more aggressive and 'angry' than a lot of metal...
The lines between metal and hardcore are being blurred more and more so meh...
I'm open to most music, but I've been getting punk CDs for years now, so my collection is predominantly punk and offshoots into hardcore, ska, indie, emo, etc.
Emo's another point too, a lot of the heavy emo/screamo (gah, stupid genre names...) has some hefty influence from metal... So yeah, genres aren't boxes that music stays in, they're things which are constantly interacting and exchanging ideas... One genre can't really exist without other genres to keep things fresh. And there's my thought for the day.
It also depends very much on how people percieve each genre. Many punk bands now incorporate some metallic influence into their sound, and a lot of modern metal has been heavily influenced by hardcore, itself an offshoot of punk...
If you listen to old 'hair' metal, then to some 80's hardcore, say The Exploited, Black Flag, Minor Threat, it's pretty clear that at that time hardcore was much more aggressive and 'angry' than a lot of metal...
The lines between metal and hardcore are being blurred more and more so meh...
I'm open to most music, but I've been getting punk CDs for years now, so my collection is predominantly punk and offshoots into hardcore, ska, indie, emo, etc.
Emo's another point too, a lot of the heavy emo/screamo (gah, stupid genre names...) has some hefty influence from metal... So yeah, genres aren't boxes that music stays in, they're things which are constantly interacting and exchanging ideas... One genre can't really exist without other genres to keep things fresh. And there's my thought for the day.
Emo
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I like, well every type of music but used to be a metal eliteist, but between punk and metal I'd have to say metal.
Much more innovative stuff atm.
Much more innovative stuff atm.
Thanks for the offer mate, I'll give it some thought.
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