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"Sciene and religion"

For some people it's straight forward, for some they're not bothered and those who can't decide (Agnostics), because I find that each of the topic need more info :

Science
1.The Big Bang Theory - a logical idea, but where does the all the matter in the univrse come from in the first place? Which is compressed in very small space and then exploded.

2.How did the first creatures came into existence out of a stable environment?

3.How did the Big Bang created resources on earth?
e.g metal ores, soil, etc


Religion
1.How did God appear in existence and then create life; perhaps something else created God?

2."God love and care" for people, yet if bad things happen to good people why doesn't God do something about it.

3.How does religion explains the end of life when the sun turns into a red giant and explodes creating a black hole and sucking anything near it?

Which leads me to conclude on my theory that:
God created Earth and all life, then let the people to decide whether they believe in God or not.
Assuming God is in existence, God thought about what life materials life would need and created them within Earth?
The end of life when the sun enlarges and the explodes, perhaps too many people sinned? God did not intend for life to carry on?

Any ideas?

It's not even to do with sins, though, it's whether you like Jesus or not.
That's it.

You could lead the most perfect life and if you say you don't believe in Jesus, you go to hell. I think God has projected some kind of superiority complex onto his son.

Got a good point there Strafio, "God love and cares" for the people, and also "forgives" them in which it suggests God will be unlikely to punish sinners, but then again you'll neveer know.

Emitime wrote:
> FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Somone just spilt their coffee! Argh! He's got a flame-thrower!1
>
> My nose hurts thanks to you :(

Every hole's a goal.

Lil Ginge wrote:
> Sin has to be punished, he HATES sin

I'm with you except for this bit.
Why must Sin be punished?
Like you said, staying away from the tree was a warning of what the fruit would do to us. He just was trying to keep us from suffering the natural consequences.

Personally, I think that punishment goes against God's nature.
Maybe some people feel like they're being punished by God, like when a mum violently yanks he child off the road if he tries to run in front of a car (I mean, he's going to apologise for being "naughty", not realising that mum was just saving his life...).

But why would God punish?

Hedfix wrote:
> Lil Ginge wrote:
>
> i love it when things go deep
>
> SINNARRR!!!111


LOL

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eww

Memorandum! wrote:
> By making a tree that they weren't allowed to eat from and saying
> "don't eat from it or you will die", God was making a
> rule.

I think Ginge is trying to say that it wasn't a rule but a warning.
It's like I could warn you that drinking poison would kill you.
It does make you wonder why God made the try though.

> But that's your belief and I can understand it, I just have lots of
> problems regarding the nature of God and Christian beliefs. For
> example, we're not supposed to be judgemental of others yet God is
> free to judge as he pleases. God wanting us to follow his
> beliefs/rules = him asserting his superiority and selfishness.

I think that's the one flaw with modern Christianity.
Telling people that you're either "in or out" and either "saved or not" and saying they have to chose between "eternal life or eternal damnation" - it's too much of an ultimatum, too binary, and like Obi Wan Kanobi says "only Sith talk in absolutes!".

By making a tree that they weren't allowed to eat from and saying "don't eat from it or you will die", God was making a rule.

You can say "oh no! Satan!!!" but no matter how you look at it, the stipulation was always "do as I say, or be punished."

And I'd rather live my life following my own ambitions, doing what I want to do, not going "oops! better not do this in case I don't get into heaven!" In my opinion, that's far more selfish.

But that's your belief and I can understand it, I just have lots of problems regarding the nature of God and Christian beliefs. For example, we're not supposed to be judgemental of others yet God is free to judge as he pleases. God wanting us to follow his beliefs/rules = him asserting his superiority and selfishness.

I wasn't so much saying you were.

Just when people talk about God in that tense it really irritates me.

Lil Ginge wrote:
>
> i love it when things go deep

SINNARRR!!!111

SHEEPY wrote:
> I don't mind talking religious with people as long as they don't force
> it on me or talk to me as if 'I'm just not getting it'.
>
> " But God LOVES you, can't you see. He hates the sins etc
> "
>
> " He is your God love, so shut up "

...in which case i apologise if i am forcing anything on anyone..

You believe what you believe, but i am explaining what I believe and backing up my theory with what i feel are mis conceptions..

i love it when things go deep

SOOOOO Farts ay?!