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For some people it's straight forward, for some they're not bothered and those who can't decide (Agnostics), because I find that each of the topic need more info :
Science
1.The Big Bang Theory - a logical idea, but where does the all the matter in the univrse come from in the first place? Which is compressed in very small space and then exploded.
2.How did the first creatures came into existence out of a stable environment?
3.How did the Big Bang created resources on earth?
e.g metal ores, soil, etc
Religion
1.How did God appear in existence and then create life; perhaps something else created God?
2."God love and care" for people, yet if bad things happen to good people why doesn't God do something about it.
3.How does religion explains the end of life when the sun turns into a red giant and explodes creating a black hole and sucking anything near it?
Which leads me to conclude on my theory that:
God created Earth and all life, then let the people to decide whether they believe in God or not.
Assuming God is in existence, God thought about what life materials life would need and created them within Earth?
The end of life when the sun enlarges and the explodes, perhaps too many people sinned? God did not intend for life to carry on?
Any ideas?
Science
1.The Big Bang Theory - a logical idea, but where does the all the matter in the univrse come from in the first place? Which is compressed in very small space and then exploded.
2.How did the first creatures came into existence out of a stable environment?
3.How did the Big Bang created resources on earth?
e.g metal ores, soil, etc
Religion
1.How did God appear in existence and then create life; perhaps something else created God?
2."God love and care" for people, yet if bad things happen to good people why doesn't God do something about it.
3.How does religion explains the end of life when the sun turns into a red giant and explodes creating a black hole and sucking anything near it?
Which leads me to conclude on my theory that:
God created Earth and all life, then let the people to decide whether they believe in God or not.
Assuming God is in existence, God thought about what life materials life would need and created them within Earth?
The end of life when the sun enlarges and the explodes, perhaps too many people sinned? God did not intend for life to carry on?
Any ideas?
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down wrote:
> If God forgives, is there such a place as Hell?
He only forgives if you admit your sins and devote your life to God.
> If God forgives, is there such a place as Hell?
He only forgives if you admit your sins and devote your life to God.
If God forgives, is there such a place as Hell?
Ant wrote:
> Hey, c'mon, he made you, and he gave you life! From His point of
> view, The least He can expect is for you to believe in Him and thank
> Him for it.
Why should he have such expectations of us?
Being love itself in it's purest form, why would God want something in return? Personally, I think God just wants the best for us.
Like you all were saying, these "rules" were more warnings and advice to guide us through life.
> He's not demanding to be 'worshipped,' most Christians simply want
> to. God just wants a relationship with you, and to know you believe
> in Him.
I think that he has a relationship with everyone, it's just that everyone sees him in their own way. Some recognise him as the Christian view of God, some might see him as their inner conscience, some might just see "mother nature", or whatever...
> I'm sure if you created something and gave it the freedom to do
> whatever it wished (eg. free will), you'd hope that they would
> believe in you and thank you for the opportunity you've given them.
Not especially. But say I did - being the all powerful, all knowing, one - if they didn't believe I existed then I wouldn't blame them because I'd understand their reason for it and decide whether I wanted to prove it too them, or just let them explore the world around them as they saw it.
Being in a band, if I saw someone nodding their head to my music I'd consider it appreciated, even though they had no thoughts about me or whoever made it, they were just appreciating the music.
I think that God would want us to appreciate life the way he made it for us and the way we are.
But even if I'm wrong on any of these points.
Does ANYONE deserve eternal damnation?
I don't think that even Hitler did...
I mean, eternity is a long time...
> Hey, c'mon, he made you, and he gave you life! From His point of
> view, The least He can expect is for you to believe in Him and thank
> Him for it.
Why should he have such expectations of us?
Being love itself in it's purest form, why would God want something in return? Personally, I think God just wants the best for us.
Like you all were saying, these "rules" were more warnings and advice to guide us through life.
> He's not demanding to be 'worshipped,' most Christians simply want
> to. God just wants a relationship with you, and to know you believe
> in Him.
I think that he has a relationship with everyone, it's just that everyone sees him in their own way. Some recognise him as the Christian view of God, some might see him as their inner conscience, some might just see "mother nature", or whatever...
> I'm sure if you created something and gave it the freedom to do
> whatever it wished (eg. free will), you'd hope that they would
> believe in you and thank you for the opportunity you've given them.
Not especially. But say I did - being the all powerful, all knowing, one - if they didn't believe I existed then I wouldn't blame them because I'd understand their reason for it and decide whether I wanted to prove it too them, or just let them explore the world around them as they saw it.
Being in a band, if I saw someone nodding their head to my music I'd consider it appreciated, even though they had no thoughts about me or whoever made it, they were just appreciating the music.
I think that God would want us to appreciate life the way he made it for us and the way we are.
But even if I'm wrong on any of these points.
Does ANYONE deserve eternal damnation?
I don't think that even Hitler did...
I mean, eternity is a long time...
Strafio wrote:
> The God of love gave us free will so he'd have an excuse to get angry
> when we don't do what he says?
Erm.... yeah that's it.... ^o)
> The God of love gave us free will so he'd have an excuse to get angry
> when we don't do what he says?
Erm.... yeah that's it.... ^o)
Ant wrote:
>Hey, c'mon, he made you, and he gave you life! From His point of view, >The least He can expect is for you to believe in Him and thank Him for >it.
In Genesis ,I think, it does suggest that God knew people before they were born/created. And in my opinion it wouldnt bother God it they believe God.
>Hey, c'mon, he made you, and he gave you life! From His point of view, >The least He can expect is for you to believe in Him and thank Him for >it.
In Genesis ,I think, it does suggest that God knew people before they were born/created. And in my opinion it wouldnt bother God it they believe God.
Ant wrote:
> Memorandum! wrote:
> I don't worship my parents and I very much doubt they'd want me to.
> For God to believe he's worthy of worship and deserves to be obeyed,
> he's more self interested than most humans.
>
> Hey, c'mon, he made you, and he gave you life! From His point of
> view, The least He can expect is for you to believe in Him and thank
> Him for it.
Wasn't that actualy his parents having sex, then the egg and sperm joining together?
> Memorandum! wrote:
> I don't worship my parents and I very much doubt they'd want me to.
> For God to believe he's worthy of worship and deserves to be obeyed,
> he's more self interested than most humans.
>
> Hey, c'mon, he made you, and he gave you life! From His point of
> view, The least He can expect is for you to believe in Him and thank
> Him for it.
Wasn't that actualy his parents having sex, then the egg and sperm joining together?
Memorandum! wrote:
> I don't worship my parents and I very much doubt they'd want me to.
> For God to believe he's worthy of worship and deserves to be obeyed,
> he's more self interested than most humans.
Hey, c'mon, he made you, and he gave you life! From His point of view, The least He can expect is for you to believe in Him and thank Him for it.
He's not demanding to be 'worshipped,' most Christians simply want to. God just wants a relationship with you, and to know you believe in Him. I
I'm sure if you created something and gave it the freedom to do whatever it wished (eg. free will), you'd hope that they would believe in you and thank you for the opportunity you've given them.
Anyway, wooo, go Ginge and munn! :D
> I don't worship my parents and I very much doubt they'd want me to.
> For God to believe he's worthy of worship and deserves to be obeyed,
> he's more self interested than most humans.
Hey, c'mon, he made you, and he gave you life! From His point of view, The least He can expect is for you to believe in Him and thank Him for it.
He's not demanding to be 'worshipped,' most Christians simply want to. God just wants a relationship with you, and to know you believe in Him. I
I'm sure if you created something and gave it the freedom to do whatever it wished (eg. free will), you'd hope that they would believe in you and thank you for the opportunity you've given them.
Anyway, wooo, go Ginge and munn! :D
munn wrote:
> How would your parents feel if you started going to other people's
> parents for everything rather than them (ie worshipping false idols),
> or if you killed your brother (because he's your parent's creation
> too), etc etc etc.
Who said anything about worshipping other people?
How about worshipping no-one?
I don't worship my parents and I very much doubt they'd want me to.
For God to believe he's worthy of worship and deserves to be obeyed, he's more self interested than most humans.
> How would your parents feel if you started going to other people's
> parents for everything rather than them (ie worshipping false idols),
> or if you killed your brother (because he's your parent's creation
> too), etc etc etc.
Who said anything about worshipping other people?
How about worshipping no-one?
I don't worship my parents and I very much doubt they'd want me to.
For God to believe he's worthy of worship and deserves to be obeyed, he's more self interested than most humans.
munn wrote:
>> Strafio wrote
>> But why would God punish?
>
> Because he gets a bit annoyed when people don't do what they told him
> to do.
The God of love gave us free will so he'd have an excuse to get angry when we don't do what he says?
That makes him sound like a spoilt kid.
This is someone who is supposed to be perfect.
> [Warning, the next sentence may offend people who get offended by
> just about everything]
>
> Maybe he caused that Tsunami last year on purpose because they
> weren't all worshipping him.
>
> Who knows?
I don't believe God punishes, but I reckon he tests people...
Allows disaster to happen because it challenges us to become stronger.
The thing is, with the cost of life involved, I can't believe that he decided to send all those "non-believers" to a certain hell, rather than give them more life to repent.
Judgement just doesn't add up...
>> Strafio wrote
>> But why would God punish?
>
> Because he gets a bit annoyed when people don't do what they told him
> to do.
The God of love gave us free will so he'd have an excuse to get angry when we don't do what he says?
That makes him sound like a spoilt kid.
This is someone who is supposed to be perfect.
> [Warning, the next sentence may offend people who get offended by
> just about everything]
>
> Maybe he caused that Tsunami last year on purpose because they
> weren't all worshipping him.
>
> Who knows?
I don't believe God punishes, but I reckon he tests people...
Allows disaster to happen because it challenges us to become stronger.
The thing is, with the cost of life involved, I can't believe that he decided to send all those "non-believers" to a certain hell, rather than give them more life to repent.
Judgement just doesn't add up...
I said so.
Thus it's fact.
Thus it's fact.
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