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For some people it's straight forward, for some they're not bothered and those who can't decide (Agnostics), because I find that each of the topic need more info :
Science
1.The Big Bang Theory - a logical idea, but where does the all the matter in the univrse come from in the first place? Which is compressed in very small space and then exploded.
2.How did the first creatures came into existence out of a stable environment?
3.How did the Big Bang created resources on earth?
e.g metal ores, soil, etc
Religion
1.How did God appear in existence and then create life; perhaps something else created God?
2."God love and care" for people, yet if bad things happen to good people why doesn't God do something about it.
3.How does religion explains the end of life when the sun turns into a red giant and explodes creating a black hole and sucking anything near it?
Which leads me to conclude on my theory that:
God created Earth and all life, then let the people to decide whether they believe in God or not.
Assuming God is in existence, God thought about what life materials life would need and created them within Earth?
The end of life when the sun enlarges and the explodes, perhaps too many people sinned? God did not intend for life to carry on?
Any ideas?
Science
1.The Big Bang Theory - a logical idea, but where does the all the matter in the univrse come from in the first place? Which is compressed in very small space and then exploded.
2.How did the first creatures came into existence out of a stable environment?
3.How did the Big Bang created resources on earth?
e.g metal ores, soil, etc
Religion
1.How did God appear in existence and then create life; perhaps something else created God?
2."God love and care" for people, yet if bad things happen to good people why doesn't God do something about it.
3.How does religion explains the end of life when the sun turns into a red giant and explodes creating a black hole and sucking anything near it?
Which leads me to conclude on my theory that:
God created Earth and all life, then let the people to decide whether they believe in God or not.
Assuming God is in existence, God thought about what life materials life would need and created them within Earth?
The end of life when the sun enlarges and the explodes, perhaps too many people sinned? God did not intend for life to carry on?
Any ideas?
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Emitime wrote:
> FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Somone just spilt their coffee! Argh! He's got a flame-thrower!1
>
> My nose hurts thanks to you :(
Every hole's a goal.
> FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Somone just spilt their coffee! Argh! He's got a flame-thrower!1
>
> My nose hurts thanks to you :(
Every hole's a goal.
Got a good point there Strafio, "God love and cares" for the people, and also "forgives" them in which it suggests God will be unlikely to punish sinners, but then again you'll neveer know.
It's not even to do with sins, though, it's whether you like Jesus or not.
That's it.
You could lead the most perfect life and if you say you don't believe in Jesus, you go to hell. I think God has projected some kind of superiority complex onto his son.
That's it.
You could lead the most perfect life and if you say you don't believe in Jesus, you go to hell. I think God has projected some kind of superiority complex onto his son.
FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Every hole's a goal.
Oh god.
Not that again.
> Every hole's a goal.
Oh god.
Not that again.
FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> It's not even to do with sins, though, it's whether you like Jesus or
> not.
> That's it.
Well, it IS to do with sins, but the fact is human nature means that everyone has sinned at some point. Apparently, the just sentance for our sin is eternal damnation, but Jesus took the punishment by being executed sinless so anyone who believes in him can be forgiven.
But I don't see what there is to forgive in the first place?
Why would God want to punish us?
For what?
> It's not even to do with sins, though, it's whether you like Jesus or
> not.
> That's it.
Well, it IS to do with sins, but the fact is human nature means that everyone has sinned at some point. Apparently, the just sentance for our sin is eternal damnation, but Jesus took the punishment by being executed sinless so anyone who believes in him can be forgiven.
But I don't see what there is to forgive in the first place?
Why would God want to punish us?
For what?
Strafio wrote:
> Lil Ginge wrote:
> Sin has to be punished, he HATES sin
>
> I'm with you except for this bit.
> Why must Sin be punished?
> Like you said, staying away from the tree was a warning of what the
> fruit would do to us. He just was trying to keep us from suffering
> the natural consequences.
Hen he told them to get out of Eden because they'd sinned.
If you read the Bible (THe Old Testament), it's all about God going, "You fuckwits, I'm going to kill you all. I've given you the chance to come back, but noooooooo, you go "god? pffffft" so i'm going to punish you for sinning blah blah".
> But why would God punish?
Because he gets a bit annoyed when people don't do what they told him to do.
[Warning, the next sentence may offend people who get offended by just about everything]
Maybe he caused that Tsunami last year on purpose because they weren't all worshipping him.
Who knows?
> Lil Ginge wrote:
> Sin has to be punished, he HATES sin
>
> I'm with you except for this bit.
> Why must Sin be punished?
> Like you said, staying away from the tree was a warning of what the
> fruit would do to us. He just was trying to keep us from suffering
> the natural consequences.
Hen he told them to get out of Eden because they'd sinned.
If you read the Bible (THe Old Testament), it's all about God going, "You fuckwits, I'm going to kill you all. I've given you the chance to come back, but noooooooo, you go "god? pffffft" so i'm going to punish you for sinning blah blah".
> But why would God punish?
Because he gets a bit annoyed when people don't do what they told him to do.
[Warning, the next sentence may offend people who get offended by just about everything]
Maybe he caused that Tsunami last year on purpose because they weren't all worshipping him.
Who knows?
I did god's mum.
J Nash wrote:
> Strafio wrote:
> Munns right.
> There's nothing conclusive on either side of this argument.
> It's all "what if"s and "maybe"s.
>
> No, no. The argument where people are trying to explain that
> dinosaurs exsitsed 3000 years ago is all "what if"s and
> "maybe"s.
>
> The argument against it has the fact that the fossils of those
> creatures date back millions of years before that, and that barly
> (none if you don't count the brief reference to soemthing that may or
> may not have been a Hippo in Job) no mentioning of them in that time
> exsists.
I understand where you're coming from, BUT, there's no proof that these fossils are millions of years old.
I hope you understand what I mean when I say that maybe scientists are getting it all wrong and looking at somethng thinking "Oh wow, this is a human from 3 million years ago" when maybe it's only a 2000 year old skeleton, because the instruments we use to work it out don't work, basically.
Another of my theories is the way Genesis says everything happened in 6 days.
Maybe a day is just a figurative term used to describe a long long long long time, and someone thought to call it a "day".
It would sort of "explain" evolution as well.
One day god made fish, the next day (maybe actually millions of years later) he caused the fish to crawl out and turn into animals, etc.
Anyway, I was reading the bible earlier, and the whole thing about Leviathan is just a metaphor for Judah's (or maybe Jerusalem's) enemies.
It says it at the bottom of the page.
> Strafio wrote:
> Munns right.
> There's nothing conclusive on either side of this argument.
> It's all "what if"s and "maybe"s.
>
> No, no. The argument where people are trying to explain that
> dinosaurs exsitsed 3000 years ago is all "what if"s and
> "maybe"s.
>
> The argument against it has the fact that the fossils of those
> creatures date back millions of years before that, and that barly
> (none if you don't count the brief reference to soemthing that may or
> may not have been a Hippo in Job) no mentioning of them in that time
> exsists.
I understand where you're coming from, BUT, there's no proof that these fossils are millions of years old.
I hope you understand what I mean when I say that maybe scientists are getting it all wrong and looking at somethng thinking "Oh wow, this is a human from 3 million years ago" when maybe it's only a 2000 year old skeleton, because the instruments we use to work it out don't work, basically.
Another of my theories is the way Genesis says everything happened in 6 days.
Maybe a day is just a figurative term used to describe a long long long long time, and someone thought to call it a "day".
It would sort of "explain" evolution as well.
One day god made fish, the next day (maybe actually millions of years later) he caused the fish to crawl out and turn into animals, etc.
Anyway, I was reading the bible earlier, and the whole thing about Leviathan is just a metaphor for Judah's (or maybe Jerusalem's) enemies.
It says it at the bottom of the page.
Memorandum! wrote:
> Humans get punished for not following God's orders. Why?
> What does he get out of it?
> Is he so intolerant of other people's views and ambitions that he has
> to inflict suffering on anyone who challenges him? Nice. He sounds a
> bit like Hitler.
Put it this way, if he created us, tehn he's basically a parent.
How would your parents feel if you started going to other people's parents for everything rather than them (ie worshipping false idols), or if you killed your brother (because he's your parent's creation too), etc etc etc.
> Humans get punished for not following God's orders. Why?
> What does he get out of it?
> Is he so intolerant of other people's views and ambitions that he has
> to inflict suffering on anyone who challenges him? Nice. He sounds a
> bit like Hitler.
Put it this way, if he created us, tehn he's basically a parent.
How would your parents feel if you started going to other people's parents for everything rather than them (ie worshipping false idols), or if you killed your brother (because he's your parent's creation too), etc etc etc.
Mabye the bible isn't exactly the word of god and some of it was written down incorrectly?
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