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i have a feeling that beckham might resign for manu in the summer
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Lipe wrote:
Clazon wrote:
> Haha you've got to be joking right? First of all, Beckham can't
> compare to any 3 of those footballers let alone be paired with them.
> Secondly Nedved can hardly be considered a winger, the man is all
> over the place and is best in central midfield. Secondly, how can
> you
> pick Beckham over 2 wingers that have amazing dribbling skills,
> stunning pace, can play both on the left and the right and can cross
> the ball perfectly?
>
> Ha. Don't get muddled up here. Beckham was the one who could hit a 2
> pence piece with his corners or from open play. Beckham could score
> freekicks consistently. Beckham racked up more assissts in one
> season
> than anyone else ever in living memory in top flight football.
> Beckham
> had the captaincy abilities to hold a team on his side always. He
> also
> dominated games on his own. His influence can hardly be misssed.
>
> Wow...free kicks. They don't beat some running up the wing, cutting
> inside a defender and curling the ball into the top left corner does
> it?
I would reckon a cross is more succesful in taking place and creating a goal than the chance of a cut in and shot.
For a free kick to happen you need a foul...for someone to score
> from open play you just need brilliance.
That's irrelevant. look at the frequency of the 2. I'd say they're about equal.
And can Beckham dribble past
> a whole team when his team need him most (a cup final for example) and
> blast a blazing ball into the net?
Maybe not. But he can get around defences with quick one-twos which he uses to great effect.
Keep in mind this is one of the
> best defences in the world with the defender you praise so highly at
> its core - Adams.
Our pathetic was for that goal. Players were falling all over the place. Much like the Henry vs Liverpool goal... Plus Seaman could have done better on that occassion. That was a magical one off despite these things though.
> Beckham is a good crosser/free kick taker but that's about it. If
> he's up against a decent defender 1 on 1, he'll rarely go past him,
> he'd usually get the ball from a clever pass and then just put a
> cross in, whereas Giggs and Figo don't need someone there to beat a
> defender.
Invariably he can get around the defender with the one-two as I've said and the product on the other side of the defender is invariably better from Beckham.
> Giggs has hardly ever dominated the side. He has certainly not
> carried the national team onto greater things.
>
> Well Wales has hardly got a very good side does it?
The England side were equal to some third league side that day, if we're being kind. The team surrounding them in this event is irrelevant.
> Figo too has not got the ability of Beckham in the
> crossing/free-kicks area. And the two of them are equally bad on
> pens.
> ;)
>
> His crossing is still some of the best there is. Free kicks Beckham
> might beat him at but Figo beats him at shooting :P
Beckham has scored his fair share of long range goals. Maybe they're not belters, but they are long range curlers or chips.
And there's always that goal that Neil Sullivan cares to forget.
:)
Clazon wrote:
> Haha you've got to be joking right? First of all, Beckham can't
> compare to any 3 of those footballers let alone be paired with them.
> Secondly Nedved can hardly be considered a winger, the man is all
> over the place and is best in central midfield. Secondly, how can
> you
> pick Beckham over 2 wingers that have amazing dribbling skills,
> stunning pace, can play both on the left and the right and can cross
> the ball perfectly?
>
> Ha. Don't get muddled up here. Beckham was the one who could hit a 2
> pence piece with his corners or from open play. Beckham could score
> freekicks consistently. Beckham racked up more assissts in one
> season
> than anyone else ever in living memory in top flight football.
> Beckham
> had the captaincy abilities to hold a team on his side always. He
> also
> dominated games on his own. His influence can hardly be misssed.
>
> Wow...free kicks. They don't beat some running up the wing, cutting
> inside a defender and curling the ball into the top left corner does
> it?
I would reckon a cross is more succesful in taking place and creating a goal than the chance of a cut in and shot.
For a free kick to happen you need a foul...for someone to score
> from open play you just need brilliance.
That's irrelevant. look at the frequency of the 2. I'd say they're about equal.
And can Beckham dribble past
> a whole team when his team need him most (a cup final for example) and
> blast a blazing ball into the net?
Maybe not. But he can get around defences with quick one-twos which he uses to great effect.
Keep in mind this is one of the
> best defences in the world with the defender you praise so highly at
> its core - Adams.
Our pathetic was for that goal. Players were falling all over the place. Much like the Henry vs Liverpool goal... Plus Seaman could have done better on that occassion. That was a magical one off despite these things though.
> Beckham is a good crosser/free kick taker but that's about it. If
> he's up against a decent defender 1 on 1, he'll rarely go past him,
> he'd usually get the ball from a clever pass and then just put a
> cross in, whereas Giggs and Figo don't need someone there to beat a
> defender.
Invariably he can get around the defender with the one-two as I've said and the product on the other side of the defender is invariably better from Beckham.
> Giggs has hardly ever dominated the side. He has certainly not
> carried the national team onto greater things.
>
> Well Wales has hardly got a very good side does it?
The England side were equal to some third league side that day, if we're being kind. The team surrounding them in this event is irrelevant.
> Figo too has not got the ability of Beckham in the
> crossing/free-kicks area. And the two of them are equally bad on
> pens.
> ;)
>
> His crossing is still some of the best there is. Free kicks Beckham
> might beat him at but Figo beats him at shooting :P
Beckham has scored his fair share of long range goals. Maybe they're not belters, but they are long range curlers or chips.
And there's always that goal that Neil Sullivan cares to forget.
:)
Clazon wrote:
> Why can everyone remember that Greece game yet I can't
> remember one (and I doubt that you could either) game where this
> typoe of performance was replicated by Giggs?
I like how you totally avoided the quality of the players around both players :-D
As for Giggs changing a game. A certain game (and goal) against Arsenal. Remember that?
> Why can everyone remember that Greece game yet I can't
> remember one (and I doubt that you could either) game where this
> typoe of performance was replicated by Giggs?
I like how you totally avoided the quality of the players around both players :-D
As for Giggs changing a game. A certain game (and goal) against Arsenal. Remember that?
Clazon wrote:
> Lipe wrote:
> Clazon wrote:
> Lipe wrote:
> Kawada wrote:
> and you missed young Twinkletoes Ronaldo from your list Clazon. A
> pox
> on thee :-D
>
> And Luis Figo...best winger in the world in his prime. Him on the
> right and Giggs on the left...mmmmmmmm.
>
> In their prime, would it be better than the pairing of Nedved and
> Beckham in their prime? I think not.
>
> Haha you've got to be joking right? First of all, Beckham can't
> compare to any 3 of those footballers let alone be paired with them.
> Secondly Nedved can hardly be considered a winger, the man is all
> over the place and is best in central midfield. Secondly, how can
> you
> pick Beckham over 2 wingers that have amazing dribbling skills,
> stunning pace, can play both on the left and the right and can cross
> the ball perfectly?
>
> Ha. Don't get muddled up here. Beckham was the one who could hit a 2
> pence piece with his corners or from open play. Beckham could score
> freekicks consistently. Beckham racked up more assissts in one season
> than anyone else ever in living memory in top flight football. Beckham
> had the captaincy abilities to hold a team on his side always. He also
> dominated games on his own. His influence can hardly be misssed.
Wow...free kicks. They don't beat some running up the wing, cutting inside a defender and curling the ball into the top left corner does it? For a free kick to happen you need a foul...for someone to score from open play you just need brilliance. And can Beckham dribble past a whole team when his team need him most (a cup final for example) and blast a blazing ball into the net? Keep in mind this is one of the best defences in the world with the defender you praise so highly at its core - Adams.
Beckham is a good crosser/free kick taker but that's about it. If he's up against a decent defender 1 on 1, he'll rarely go past him, he'd usually get the ball from a clever pass and then just put a cross in, whereas Giggs and Figo don't need someone there to beat a defender.
> Giggs has hardly ever dominated the side. He has certainly not
> carried the national team onto greater things.
Well Wales has hardly got a very good side does it?
> Figo too has not got the ability of Beckham in the
> crossing/free-kicks area. And the two of them are equally bad on
> pens.
> ;)
His crossing is still some of the best there is. Free kicks Beckham might beat him at but Figo beats him at shooting :P
> Lipe wrote:
> Clazon wrote:
> Lipe wrote:
> Kawada wrote:
> and you missed young Twinkletoes Ronaldo from your list Clazon. A
> pox
> on thee :-D
>
> And Luis Figo...best winger in the world in his prime. Him on the
> right and Giggs on the left...mmmmmmmm.
>
> In their prime, would it be better than the pairing of Nedved and
> Beckham in their prime? I think not.
>
> Haha you've got to be joking right? First of all, Beckham can't
> compare to any 3 of those footballers let alone be paired with them.
> Secondly Nedved can hardly be considered a winger, the man is all
> over the place and is best in central midfield. Secondly, how can
> you
> pick Beckham over 2 wingers that have amazing dribbling skills,
> stunning pace, can play both on the left and the right and can cross
> the ball perfectly?
>
> Ha. Don't get muddled up here. Beckham was the one who could hit a 2
> pence piece with his corners or from open play. Beckham could score
> freekicks consistently. Beckham racked up more assissts in one season
> than anyone else ever in living memory in top flight football. Beckham
> had the captaincy abilities to hold a team on his side always. He also
> dominated games on his own. His influence can hardly be misssed.
Wow...free kicks. They don't beat some running up the wing, cutting inside a defender and curling the ball into the top left corner does it? For a free kick to happen you need a foul...for someone to score from open play you just need brilliance. And can Beckham dribble past a whole team when his team need him most (a cup final for example) and blast a blazing ball into the net? Keep in mind this is one of the best defences in the world with the defender you praise so highly at its core - Adams.
Beckham is a good crosser/free kick taker but that's about it. If he's up against a decent defender 1 on 1, he'll rarely go past him, he'd usually get the ball from a clever pass and then just put a cross in, whereas Giggs and Figo don't need someone there to beat a defender.
> Giggs has hardly ever dominated the side. He has certainly not
> carried the national team onto greater things.
Well Wales has hardly got a very good side does it?
> Figo too has not got the ability of Beckham in the
> crossing/free-kicks area. And the two of them are equally bad on
> pens.
> ;)
His crossing is still some of the best there is. Free kicks Beckham might beat him at but Figo beats him at shooting :P
Kawada wrote:
> Clazon wrote:
> Giggs has hardly ever dominated the side. He has certainly not
> carried the national team onto greater things.
>
>
> He also hasn't had a full team of good players around him either. If
> Beckham doesn't produce, Lamps, Gerrard, Rooney or Owen will step up.
> John Hartson, Robbie Savage and Craig Bellamy are hardly capable of
> doing so on the world stage.
Why can everyone remember that Greece game yet I can't remember one (and I doubt that you could either) game where this typoe of performance was replicated by Giggs?
> Clazon wrote:
> Giggs has hardly ever dominated the side. He has certainly not
> carried the national team onto greater things.
>
>
> He also hasn't had a full team of good players around him either. If
> Beckham doesn't produce, Lamps, Gerrard, Rooney or Owen will step up.
> John Hartson, Robbie Savage and Craig Bellamy are hardly capable of
> doing so on the world stage.
Why can everyone remember that Greece game yet I can't remember one (and I doubt that you could either) game where this typoe of performance was replicated by Giggs?
down wrote:
> Stam? Who failed completely in England to world class standards? Who
> is week-in week-out topped by Kalahdze and Nesta in Milan's defence
> alone? Better than Adams, Nesta, etc.? I think not.
>
> Kaladze has barely played all season, because Stam's form has forced
> Maldini out left. And not now, back in the day Stam was truely
> amazing. Even now, his aerial presence is quite unparalleled
I believe that's through injury though. Kalahdze was first choice defender overall.
> Carlos? Carlos who couldn't defend to save his life. Who has the pot
> shot of a free kick which more often than not goes flying miles
> away?
>
> What does Cafu give to a team that Carlos doesn't? And Carlos chips
> in with a few goals as well. Carlos isn't as bad a defender as people
> make him out to be, and not a great deal worse than Cafu.
Cafu provides far better service, he is superior defensively and has the captaincy skills.
> But then you're having a joke right? Cocu? How the hell does he top
> Cafu and Maldini? Or any other midfielder if you put him in there...
>
> Eh, you can't deny the brilliance of Cocu in his prime. Even this
> seaosn he's been one of the best midfielders/defenders in the
> Champions League.
Yes but his prime was not for all that long and you can't say that he wouldn't be topped by his contemporaries? Gerrard? Lampard? Zidane? Vieira? Keane? Maldini? Cafu? In their primes would have been better. Maybe if he stuck to one position he would have matured even better.
> Kluivert? Because he's scored so many goals per season than anyone
> else in his seasons gone by? He's proved himself in England? Because
> he would top Shearer, Shevchenko, Henry, Ronaldinho, etc.?
>
> In his prime, Kluivert was one of the best strikers in the world.
> Proving yourself in England means nothing - look at Crespo and Veron.
> Forlan.
None of those players are world class though. So the comparison is irrelevant.
> Stam? Who failed completely in England to world class standards? Who
> is week-in week-out topped by Kalahdze and Nesta in Milan's defence
> alone? Better than Adams, Nesta, etc.? I think not.
>
> Kaladze has barely played all season, because Stam's form has forced
> Maldini out left. And not now, back in the day Stam was truely
> amazing. Even now, his aerial presence is quite unparalleled
I believe that's through injury though. Kalahdze was first choice defender overall.
> Carlos? Carlos who couldn't defend to save his life. Who has the pot
> shot of a free kick which more often than not goes flying miles
> away?
>
> What does Cafu give to a team that Carlos doesn't? And Carlos chips
> in with a few goals as well. Carlos isn't as bad a defender as people
> make him out to be, and not a great deal worse than Cafu.
Cafu provides far better service, he is superior defensively and has the captaincy skills.
> But then you're having a joke right? Cocu? How the hell does he top
> Cafu and Maldini? Or any other midfielder if you put him in there...
>
> Eh, you can't deny the brilliance of Cocu in his prime. Even this
> seaosn he's been one of the best midfielders/defenders in the
> Champions League.
Yes but his prime was not for all that long and you can't say that he wouldn't be topped by his contemporaries? Gerrard? Lampard? Zidane? Vieira? Keane? Maldini? Cafu? In their primes would have been better. Maybe if he stuck to one position he would have matured even better.
> Kluivert? Because he's scored so many goals per season than anyone
> else in his seasons gone by? He's proved himself in England? Because
> he would top Shearer, Shevchenko, Henry, Ronaldinho, etc.?
>
> In his prime, Kluivert was one of the best strikers in the world.
> Proving yourself in England means nothing - look at Crespo and Veron.
> Forlan.
None of those players are world class though. So the comparison is irrelevant.
Clazon wrote:
> Giggs has hardly ever dominated the side. He has certainly not
> carried the national team onto greater things.
He also hasn't had a full team of good players around him either. If Beckham doesn't produce, Lamps, Gerrard, Rooney or Owen will step up. John Hartson, Robbie Savage and Craig Bellamy are hardly capable of doing so on the world stage.
> Giggs has hardly ever dominated the side. He has certainly not
> carried the national team onto greater things.
He also hasn't had a full team of good players around him either. If Beckham doesn't produce, Lamps, Gerrard, Rooney or Owen will step up. John Hartson, Robbie Savage and Craig Bellamy are hardly capable of doing so on the world stage.
Figo was always better than Beckham.
But like you say, it's matter of opinion.
But like you say, it's matter of opinion.
Clazon wrote:
> down wrote:
> I think you're wrong
>
> At times Nesta seems to single-handedly stop teams, such as against
> Lazio
>
> That's why he tempted me.
>
> Stam and Roberto Carlos have to be in there, as do Cocu and Rivaldo,
> and probably Kluivert.
>
> That lot are a joke though.
>
> Stam? Who failed completely in England to world class standards? Who
> is week-in week-out topped by Kalahdze and Nesta in Milan's defence
> alone? Better than Adams, Nesta, etc.? I think not.
Kaladze has barely played all season, because Stam's form has forced Maldini out left. And not now, back in the day Stam was truely amazing. Even now, his aerial presence is quite unparalleled
> Carlos? Carlos who couldn't defend to save his life. Who has the pot
> shot of a free kick which more often than not goes flying miles
> away?
What does Cafu give to a team that Carlos doesn't? And Carlos chips in with a few goals as well. Carlos isn't as bad a defender as people make him out to be, and not a great deal worse than Cafu.
> But then you're having a joke right? Cocu? How the hell does he top
> Cafu and Maldini? Or any other midfielder if you put him in there...
Eh, you can't deny the brilliance of Cocu in his prime. Even this seaosn he's been one of the best midfielders/defenders in the Champions League.
> Kluivert? Because he's scored so many goals per season than anyone
> else in his seasons gone by? He's proved himself in England? Because
> he would top Shearer, Shevchenko, Henry, Ronaldinho, etc.?
In his prime, Kluivert was one of the best strikers in the world. Proving yourself in England means nothing - look at Crespo and Veron. Forlan.
> down wrote:
> I think you're wrong
>
> At times Nesta seems to single-handedly stop teams, such as against
> Lazio
>
> That's why he tempted me.
>
> Stam and Roberto Carlos have to be in there, as do Cocu and Rivaldo,
> and probably Kluivert.
>
> That lot are a joke though.
>
> Stam? Who failed completely in England to world class standards? Who
> is week-in week-out topped by Kalahdze and Nesta in Milan's defence
> alone? Better than Adams, Nesta, etc.? I think not.
Kaladze has barely played all season, because Stam's form has forced Maldini out left. And not now, back in the day Stam was truely amazing. Even now, his aerial presence is quite unparalleled
> Carlos? Carlos who couldn't defend to save his life. Who has the pot
> shot of a free kick which more often than not goes flying miles
> away?
What does Cafu give to a team that Carlos doesn't? And Carlos chips in with a few goals as well. Carlos isn't as bad a defender as people make him out to be, and not a great deal worse than Cafu.
> But then you're having a joke right? Cocu? How the hell does he top
> Cafu and Maldini? Or any other midfielder if you put him in there...
Eh, you can't deny the brilliance of Cocu in his prime. Even this seaosn he's been one of the best midfielders/defenders in the Champions League.
> Kluivert? Because he's scored so many goals per season than anyone
> else in his seasons gone by? He's proved himself in England? Because
> he would top Shearer, Shevchenko, Henry, Ronaldinho, etc.?
In his prime, Kluivert was one of the best strikers in the world. Proving yourself in England means nothing - look at Crespo and Veron. Forlan.
Lipe wrote:
> Clazon wrote:
> Lipe wrote:
> Kawada wrote:
> and you missed young Twinkletoes Ronaldo from your list Clazon. A
> pox
> on thee :-D
>
> And Luis Figo...best winger in the world in his prime. Him on the
> right and Giggs on the left...mmmmmmmm.
>
> In their prime, would it be better than the pairing of Nedved and
> Beckham in their prime? I think not.
>
> Haha you've got to be joking right? First of all, Beckham can't
> compare to any 3 of those footballers let alone be paired with them.
> Secondly Nedved can hardly be considered a winger, the man is all
> over the place and is best in central midfield. Secondly, how can you
> pick Beckham over 2 wingers that have amazing dribbling skills,
> stunning pace, can play both on the left and the right and can cross
> the ball perfectly?
Ha. Don't get muddled up here. Beckham was the one who could hit a 2 pence piece with his corners or from open play. Beckham could score freekicks consistently. Beckham racked up more assissts in one season than anyone else ever in living memory in top flight football. Beckham had the captaincy abilities to hold a team on his side always. He also dominated games on his own. His influence can hardly be misssed.
Giggs has hardly ever dominated the side. He has certainly not carried the national team onto greater things.
Figo too has not got the ability of Beckham in the crossing/free-kicks area. And the two of them are equally bad on pens.
;)
> Clazon wrote:
> Lipe wrote:
> Kawada wrote:
> and you missed young Twinkletoes Ronaldo from your list Clazon. A
> pox
> on thee :-D
>
> And Luis Figo...best winger in the world in his prime. Him on the
> right and Giggs on the left...mmmmmmmm.
>
> In their prime, would it be better than the pairing of Nedved and
> Beckham in their prime? I think not.
>
> Haha you've got to be joking right? First of all, Beckham can't
> compare to any 3 of those footballers let alone be paired with them.
> Secondly Nedved can hardly be considered a winger, the man is all
> over the place and is best in central midfield. Secondly, how can you
> pick Beckham over 2 wingers that have amazing dribbling skills,
> stunning pace, can play both on the left and the right and can cross
> the ball perfectly?
Ha. Don't get muddled up here. Beckham was the one who could hit a 2 pence piece with his corners or from open play. Beckham could score freekicks consistently. Beckham racked up more assissts in one season than anyone else ever in living memory in top flight football. Beckham had the captaincy abilities to hold a team on his side always. He also dominated games on his own. His influence can hardly be misssed.
Giggs has hardly ever dominated the side. He has certainly not carried the national team onto greater things.
Figo too has not got the ability of Beckham in the crossing/free-kicks area. And the two of them are equally bad on pens.
;)
down wrote:
> I think you're wrong
>
> At times Nesta seems to single-handedly stop teams, such as against
> Lazio
That's why he tempted me.
> Stam and Roberto Carlos have to be in there, as do Cocu and Rivaldo,
> and probably Kluivert.
That lot are a joke though.
Stam? Who failed completely in England to world class standards? Who is week-in week-out topped by Kalahdze and Nesta in Milan's defence alone? Better than Adams, Nesta, etc.? I think not.
Carlos? Carlos who couldn't defend to save his life. Who has the pot shot of a free kick which more often than not goes flying miles away?
But then you're having a joke right? Cocu? How the hell does he top Cafu and Maldini? Or any other midfielder if you put him in there...
Kluivert? Because he's scored so many goals per season than anyone else in his seasons gone by? He's proved himself in England? Because he would top Shearer, Shevchenko, Henry, Ronaldinho, etc.?
As Lakers said, it's going to be open to opinion. But some of those suggestions are just poor. Beckham atleast held his form for a sustained period of time. Handed Man U one of their most succesful seasons. Scored goals and got the highest assists. Created goals from practically every corner and freekick. And held up a national side on his own. A national side ffs...
> I think you're wrong
>
> At times Nesta seems to single-handedly stop teams, such as against
> Lazio
That's why he tempted me.
> Stam and Roberto Carlos have to be in there, as do Cocu and Rivaldo,
> and probably Kluivert.
That lot are a joke though.
Stam? Who failed completely in England to world class standards? Who is week-in week-out topped by Kalahdze and Nesta in Milan's defence alone? Better than Adams, Nesta, etc.? I think not.
Carlos? Carlos who couldn't defend to save his life. Who has the pot shot of a free kick which more often than not goes flying miles away?
But then you're having a joke right? Cocu? How the hell does he top Cafu and Maldini? Or any other midfielder if you put him in there...
Kluivert? Because he's scored so many goals per season than anyone else in his seasons gone by? He's proved himself in England? Because he would top Shearer, Shevchenko, Henry, Ronaldinho, etc.?
As Lakers said, it's going to be open to opinion. But some of those suggestions are just poor. Beckham atleast held his form for a sustained period of time. Handed Man U one of their most succesful seasons. Scored goals and got the highest assists. Created goals from practically every corner and freekick. And held up a national side on his own. A national side ffs...
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