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Mon 21/03/05 at 16:51
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Does God exist? if he did what came before him?
Sun 03/04/05 at 00:54
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Mickah wrote:
> But, if you think
> that when you die, nothing happens, what is the point of this world?

To live life and enjoy it is my view.

> Everything is by chance? I refuse to believe that (and I know someone
> will reply saying they refuse to believe in God :P ).

Um...I wont, but I will re-quote you.

> I refuse to believe in God

I may have deleted a few words

> If everything
> is incredibly chance (Big Bang - Matter and Anti-Matter, Earth
> Forming, Oceans Forming, Life Forming, Evolution - which you don't
> wanna know what I think about that hehe, some weird conciousness
> thing) then I'd much rather be dead than a complete mistake. But
> thinking that someone created me, and everything around me. Now
> that's something to be happy about.

How about being happy because you are surrounded by other "accidents" that you love and that love you?
Sun 03/04/05 at 00:46
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English_Bloke wrote:
> He truly is. He's now buried in the ground and not suffering anymore,
> but that's it. No heaven. No great treat for his life devoted to God
> and hard working school years.

Well, you obviously know what I think about this :) But, if you think that when you die, nothing happens, what is the point of this world? Everything is by chance? I refuse to believe that (and I know someone will reply saying they refuse to believe in God :P ). If everything is incredibly chance (Big Bang - Matter and Anti-Matter, Earth Forming, Oceans Forming, Life Forming, Evolution - which you don't wanna know what I think about that hehe, some weird conciousness thing) then I'd much rather be dead than a complete mistake. But thinking that someone created me, and everything around me. Now that's something to be happy about.

> To be fair, my post was kind of un-replyable, (I love making up
> words), to.

Yeah, but I try my hardest (and often look like an idiot :))

> I hope you didn't let this get in the way of spending your last
> moments with him without trying to convince him to convert.

You really want to know what my last moments I spent with him were? It was thinking "I wish he wouldn't breath on me. His breath smells like he's downed five barrells of beer". Thats honest. I wish I hadn't, and that I had spent the last day I spent with him telling him what I believed, but like most people on this forum, he was incredibly stubborn to thinking that there is something bigger than him :)

> Ta for the reply anyhoo

It's ok!!

[edit: off to bed now! won't reply until morning :)]
Sun 03/04/05 at 00:43
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Lil Ginge wrote:
> Um
>
> Grudges arent healthy.
>
> .. if you got grudges the one you might wanna try work through is the
> one against God.

I dont have a grudge because i dont believe, see where i'm going?

Nick + God = Resentment

Nick - God = Nothing
Sun 03/04/05 at 00:38
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Mickah wrote:
> I'm incredibly sorry to hear for your loss,

That's ok, it's not your fault.

I used to say those words you said you just said to families who'd lost loved ones when I was a police officer. It's only when you actually think about them that you realise how silly they sound. I'm not having a pop at you there by the way.

> but in my belief, your
> cousin is far better off now than he was on this earth.

He truly is. He's now buried in the ground and not suffering anymore, but that's it. No heaven. No great treat for his life devoted to God and hard working school years.

> I honestly don't know how to reply,

To be fair, my post was kind of un-replyable, (I love making up words), to.

> I lost my uncle around 2 weeks back and he wasn't a Christian. I
> found it hard to come to terms with the fact that unless he turned to
> faith in Jesus in the few weeks it had been since I last saw him,
> that he would now be completly seperated from God (yes, as much as
> you might think it at the moment, you're not seperate from God even
> if you don't believe him). But, this has made my faith stronger,
> wanting to tell more people before they pass so that they can know
> amazing pure love too. I'm sure your cousin would also want that.

I hope you didn't let this get in the way of spending your last moments with him without trying to convince him to convert.

Ta for the reply anyhoo
Sun 03/04/05 at 00:33
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Flock wrote:
> If he knows it why should i tell him.
> I hold grudges and i've got plenty of them that i'm not letting go
> of.

Haha - Nice reply. But when you were a kid, how many times did you keep things from your parents, when they really knew it happened? I know a loada times, when I came back drunk (when I wasn't really a Christian heh...) woke up in the morning, threw up a couple of times in the sink only to have my mum make me some toast and not even ask what had happened, though I knew that she knew. I really shoulda told her to get it off my chest, but there was that whole fear thing :)

[edit: changed a . to a ?]
Sun 03/04/05 at 00:31
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Lil Ginge wrote:
> What i do know is that God knows your pain. He knows your anger for
> him. He can even unders**tand it. I want so much for you flock to see
> what I see and know what i know hun, as i know a fraction of what you
> have been through. I have been through some sh*t in my time mate but
> yours is a big pile. He is sovereign, he doesnt completely make sense
> and he wont do the more you run the other way angry at him. Run his
> way angry at him.

I've not been through anything compared to some, it's everyone who's ever suffered for no good reason or jus**tice and there are too many of them.

> Anyway, sometime this week I will catch up with you - i am currently
> running on ziltch energy levels but i have lots of s**tuff to catch up
> with you with and we can do the whole girly chat thing - pj party all
> round.
> I will go to bed now. I will pray for you and english. Empty as you
> think it wil be... We'll see.

Shhhhhsh you weren't supposed to mention the pj party.
Sleep well
Sun 03/04/05 at 00:25
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Flock wrote:
> But you see i've been told before and i couldn't believe then, then i
> was told again and again and again and i got a little fed up and
> stopped listening, some people just get angry.

So, you got all these people telling you and you're not listening. Do you think someone up there is trying to say something to you :) Just because you can't believe straight away (or however many times you've been told) doesn't mean that God is gonna give up on you. Yes... Some people do get angry. Some people have incredibly hardened hearts, and all you can do is pray that God will speak to their hearts. I'm not going to try and convert you on the spot over a forum (as that would be incredibly insensitive of me) but, I do think you think that if you're given this many chances to look deeper, then maybe you should.

Put it this way. If God exists and when he judges, you can't call him unfair because he didn't give you a chance. What are we doing right now? It's now your resposibility to hear his call.

> What about those who aren't christians, he takes them out of
> rejection?
> You dont just take someone when they dont want to go, i've got a
> history in this subject, the moment i believe there is anyone in
> charge of this planet i'm going to have some serious issues with him
> and we're not going to get along.

You don't take someone when they don't want to go? Yes, God does choose certain people through utter grace (don't think of it as choosing who goes to heaven and hell, but more, who can I pull from hell into heaven). But given the opportunity, where would you rather go? Into a kingdom where there is no more sadness, no more tears, no more loneliness, or to a place of complete seperation from everything (and most importantly, God).

You may have issues with God, but at least then you'd be talking to him (or argueing with him hehe :)).

> I want to be seperate, i'm not at all happy with him. The thing about
> you telling people is theyve been told before. I really believe you
> have to let people come to you because trying to get people to
> believe only closes minds.

I'm just replying to a topic that a really good friend told me about. As previously stated, I'm not trying to convert you, thats not my job. My job is just to tell you what I believe, and I believe that if you are ever truelly seperated from God (which I hope and pray you aren't) then, it'll be the most miserable time of your life. Since, we were made in love, by love, for the sake of love, I'm gonna keep telling people how to find love.

[edit: Changed "here" to "hear"]
Sun 03/04/05 at 00:25
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Flock wrote:
> Lil Ginge wrote:
> Flock. I think you should tell God your angry.
>
> ...He knows it.
>
> If he knows it why should i tell him.
> I hold grudges and i've got plenty of them that i'm not letting go
> of.

Um

Grudges arent healthy.

.. if you got grudges the one you might wanna try work through is the one against God.
Sun 03/04/05 at 00:24
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Lil Ginge wrote:
> i have lots of stuff to catch up
> with you with and we can do the whole girly chat thing - pj party all
> round.

*ahem*

Anyway, God exists in some way, shape or form.
I'm Catholic - and I can't be assed explaining why I believe he exists.
Sun 03/04/05 at 00:23
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I dont need to feel the sort of resentment i'd have if i believed, far better for me to blame nature and humankind.

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