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Tue 25/01/05 at 17:20
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"The South Will Rise"
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I was reading in New Statesman Magazine... The recon that nearly 1/3 of the White British Population in the next General Election will vote either BNP or UKIP, as they believe that New Labour have given very little to the British People... instead more money goes to imigrants. Even today those 4 terrorists are being allowed back into the UK.. SCREW THAT... should have left them at Cuba. I'm not a facist, but I can see their point about controlling imigration, you have not got the slightest clue who the hell the people are coming in; they might bomb a school (like what happened in Russia), or commit acts of evil things against the British citizens.
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Mon 31/01/05 at 21:34
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"gsybe you!"
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Strafio (or kevstar in places) wrote:
>
> sun is, it's not like it's a pollitical paper is it?
>

'IT WAS THE SUN WOT WON IT!111'

Every paper has an agenda. You say that 'most people don't know what the Sun thinks' when tehy read it - no. Instead, they just suck it in in a giant hypodermic needle, and get all filled up with the Sun and fellow rags views.

>I
> As to services like Police and NHS, I don't see THEM blaming migrants
> for anything or having any concerns over them (I know Police work to
> sort out illeagal ones, but when asked what's causing the biggest
> problems in the country, do immigrants get mentioned?).
>

Very good point Strafio.

THE COUNTRY IS AT BREAKING POINT! Is it? How do you know? OH! Because those papers told you. And why do they do that? BECAUSE THEY CARE! Or because they want to sell? Ey?

IT'S THE IMMIGRANTS? What all of them? What about the 'binge culture' that is also 'so prevelent' in this country - are they all immigrants as well?!

It's funny - this ignorant mindset has it both ways - it quite happily moans about white kids and black kids who get into crime/drink/drugs/usual downfall of moral society - yet it also manages to pin most of societies ills on immigration. And then say how the schools are crap, because of rowdy kids...who are both white and black and bloody purple.

Crazy.
Mon 31/01/05 at 21:29
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"gsybe you!"
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Hang on.

93% of Sun readers.
General 'approval' of Tory plans.

So that makes it right?

Okay, all the people who smoke are right about smoking. No? All the Christians in the world ARE correct, because there is a conveniently undisclosed number of them?

Idiot.
Mon 31/01/05 at 12:30
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"Infantalised Forums"
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Anybody want to see Kevstar?
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Mon 31/01/05 at 09:55
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"Wanking Mong"
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Strafio wrote:

> Our population has been soaring, have you seen the popullation
> growth
> since the second world war? And it's already out of control, thats
> how there isn't a limit on the amount we take in.
>
> I can't really argue with this as I haven't really seen the
> figures...


I can, and will;

tell me, did you get those figures from Immigration Watch UK perchance?
Sun 30/01/05 at 20:40
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Cheers for speaking in short, simple sentences for me Strafio - I have neither the patience nor the inclination to respond to assfaced teenagers who try and discuss complex political situations with a bare minimum grasp of reality.

And please, kevstar, don't ever presume to tell somebody what I meant or was really saying. You're too stupid to fathom anything other than "hungry now. Tired also". And yes, it's a Notable telling you this. I'm just surprised strangers don't come up to you in the street and mash your hotdog into your face.
Sun 30/01/05 at 14:22
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Posts: 9,848
kevstar wrote:

> And I don't have a problem with theese people as I keep saying,
> immigrants who are willing to do the jobs we won't are fine, and
> they'll always be people willing to do it. The same applies to the
> more skilled jobs, but that would indicate that we need theese people
> in certain areas.

The majority of migrants are like this.
Sure, some misbehave but we've more problems with our home grown thugs than we have with migrants. Lots more.
But a lot of people still want to blame migrants.



> Since when have I said that immigrants are bad?

You did say that the fact that 93% of Sun readers wanted them out said something. That was what I was arguing with. Keep in context! :-)

> The only reason i'm
> going on about immigrants, is because I think (which theres nothing
> wrong with having this view, ehh light) that the way our Country is
> in at the moment(even if it's through lack of investment or
> miss-management)our services will simply not be able to cope as the
> signs already show. And what you say about the sun is rubbish, the
> whole lot of it. Exactly how does the poll say a lot about sun
> readers? Half the people who buy papers havn't a clue what stance the
> sun is, it's not like it's a pollitical paper is it?

I thought that public transport's problem was that not enough people were using it for them to keep adequate funding.
As to services like Police and NHS, I don't see THEM blaming migrants for anything or having any concerns over them (I know Police work to sort out illeagal ones, but when asked what's causing the biggest problems in the country, do immigrants get mentioned?).


> No it's not, thats wrong. What i'm saying is that we can't let in
> unlimited amounts of people when we have public services struggling
> to cope with it all, which is nothing like the example you provided
> there. I'm not blaming anything on immigrants, hey, I don't mind who
> comes in, as long as we have the services to cope.

That wasn't the argument I was talking about.
This was the reply to the Sun and it's "93%" survey.
Keep in context.


>> Dude, the reason is because he's NOT being racist against white
>> people. It just so happens that all these people who blame
>> "darkie" immigrants for all our problems, they just happen
>> to be mostly white...
>
> Do they? Are you sure? And where does it state that?

It doesn't state it anywhere.
Basically, it's the demographic of the average Daily Mail reader.
Sure, I might be wrong, but you wondered what Goaty was on about?
That was it.


> No he didn't, he was trying to say that the majority of vandals
> racing stolen cars are...... white.

Yeah, because there's a majority of white people in this country, so it's natural they're going to be accountable for more crimes.
HIS point was that people were happy to turn a blind eye to that when blaming "darkies" for everything.


> Haahaahaa, what absolute dribble, what makes you think that
> immigrants will produce more than whats already in? The fact is, even
> if they have twice as much offspring, thats twice as much pensioners
> in the future, which means more than double the offspring needed to
> deal with them once there old. can you see where this is leading?

We recruit young people from other countries to fill in the gaps.
And yes, they in turn grow old.
The fact is, we need them.


> Our population has been soaring, have you seen the popullation growth
> since the second world war? And it's already out of control, thats
> how there isn't a limit on the amount we take in.

I can't really argue with this as I haven't really seen the figures...


> Well, the problems with the public services, they simply can't cope
> if we carry on letting unlimited amounts of people in. The problem is
> getting that point across without sounding racist.

Public services?
I've yet to hear ONE public service worry about immigrants.
Public transport needs more carless people to keep it funded.
The police have to deal with illeagal immigrants, but they don't see that as a major problem. They're more concerned about Drug and Alcohol abuse, and violent crime. I've never heard them blame that on "invaders".
The NHS? They wish we'd stop messing ourselves up with unhealthy eating, alcohol abuse and things like that. That's what they're worried about. That's what they think is going to break them.
They have a few worries about illeagal immigrants bring disease in but not as much as they rely on proper migrants for employees.

So if people REALLY care about the NHS so much, perhaps they'll look after themselve properly.

I really think you've gotten caught up in the paranioa.
Sun 30/01/05 at 12:32
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Hahahahaha.
Sun 30/01/05 at 09:18
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"Don't let me down"
Posts: 626
Strafio wrote:
> kevstar wrote:
>
> Hey, I was just asking how immigrants are good for the economy(like
> light says they are) if they spend there money in the Country's
> there
> from, not all, but the ones that do.
>
> The majority of immigrants, even illeagal ones, do jobs that we would
> never dream of doing (illeagal ones doing it for a fraction of the
> minimum wage too). And yes, some send their money home, but it's such
> a pittance that we don't even miss it.

And I don't have a problem with theese people as I keep saying, immigrants who are willing to do the jobs we won't are fine, and they'll always be people willing to do it. The same applies to the more skilled jobs, but that would indicate that we need theese people in certain areas.

>
> And it's nice how a notable
> comes on thinking he's big by calling me a tool, nice how he
> mentions
> the 93% backing of Sun readers, but forgets to comment(or is it
> because your stumped for answers) my other points regarding the
> tory's gain in the polls since the immigration plans come into
> place.
>
> His point is that you "think" migrants are bad because a
> load of the simple-minded, media-washed (the fact that this survey
> were Sun readers says a LOT), cretins that make part of our public
> think so is a weak argument.

Since when have I said that immigrants are bad? The only reason i'm going on about immigrants, is because I think (which theres nothing wrong with having this view, ehh light) that the way our Country is in at the moment(even if it's through lack of investment or miss-management)our services will simply not be able to cope as the signs already show. And what you say about the sun is rubbish, the whole lot of it. Exactly how does the poll say a lot about sun readers? Half the people who buy papers havn't a clue what stance the sun is, it's not like it's a pollitical paper is it?


>
> Do such a survey in mid 1930's Germany.
> Heck, do it in 1930 before the Nazi's came in and it became illeagal
> to disagree. A big majority would've blamed the countries economic
> problems on Jews hoarding on the wealth.
> So it must've been the Jews fault, right>
>
> That is the equivilant of your argument.


No it's not, thats wrong. What i'm saying is that we can't let in unlimited amounts of people when we have public services struggling to cope with it all, which is nothing like the example you provided there. I'm not blaming anything on immigrants, hey, I don't mind who comes in, as long as we have the services to cope.

>
>
> Naaa (the way that question was put, I assume you mean white
> people),
> it depends where there from and how well there bieng brought up.
> Notice how you avoided the white word there Goatboy!
>
> Dude, the reason is because he's NOT being racist against white
> people. It just so happens that all these people who blame
> "darkie" immigrants for all our problems, they just happen
> to be mostly white...

Do they? Are you sure? And where does it state that?

>
> Is it because
> you would have been racist yourself(or percieved to be) for assuming
> that all vandals racing stolen hatchbacks are white, even know you
> didn't say it, but meant it?
>
> No you mong! He was saying what you're saying now.
> No particular group is to blame for crime.
> But these "anti - immigrant" groups seem to forget that.

No he didn't, he was trying to say that the majority of vandals racing stolen cars are...... white.

>
> A question i've already put across(but nobody's answered)...
> What happens when all the immigrants that come in, age themselves?
> What then, bring more in?
> then what? Overcrowded Britain
>
> Dude. That is SO simpleton.
> The point put across to you was the native English aren't producing
> enough offspring to run the country. These aging immigrants will
> provide their own offspring, and more young immigrants come in.

Haahaahaa, what absolute dribble, what makes you think that immigrants will produce more than whats already in? The fact is, even if they have twice as much offspring, thats twice as much pensioners in the future, which means more than double the offspring needed to deal with them once there old. can you see where this is leading?


>
> And if we're being overcrowded, how come our population figures
> aren't soaring out of control?

Our population has been soaring, have you seen the popullation growth since the second world war? And it's already out of control, thats how there isn't a limit on the amount we take in.

>
>
> You see, there is no way I can see
> this solving all our problems, maybee the short term, but then again
> I don't think in short terms. Anyone with a answer to this question
> please feel free and have your say, but I bet you can't find a
> solution without sounding racist.
>
> But what are the problems?
> The only problem I see is a simpleton public being manipulated by the
> media, used as a scapegoat for the problems caused elsewhere.
> So not only are people "made racist", the real cause of the
> problems aren't sorted out.


Well, the problems with the public services, they simply can't cope if we carry on letting unlimited amounts of people in. The problem is getting that point across without sounding racist.
Sat 29/01/05 at 13:54
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Posts: 9,848
kevstar wrote:

> Hey, I was just asking how immigrants are good for the economy(like
> light says they are) if they spend there money in the Country's there
> from, not all, but the ones that do.

The majority of immigrants, even illeagal ones, do jobs that we would never dream of doing (illeagal ones doing it for a fraction of the minimum wage too). And yes, some send their money home, but it's such a pittance that we don't even miss it.

> And it's nice how a notable
> comes on thinking he's big by calling me a tool, nice how he mentions
> the 93% backing of Sun readers, but forgets to comment(or is it
> because your stumped for answers) my other points regarding the
> tory's gain in the polls since the immigration plans come into place.

His point is that you "think" migrants are bad because a load of the simple-minded, media-washed (the fact that this survey were Sun readers says a LOT), cretins that make part of our public think so is a weak argument.

Do such a survey in mid 1930's Germany.
Heck, do it in 1930 before the Nazi's came in and it became illeagal to disagree. A big majority would've blamed the countries economic problems on Jews hoarding on the wealth.
So it must've been the Jews fault, right>

That is the equivilant of your argument.


> Naaa (the way that question was put, I assume you mean white people),
> it depends where there from and how well there bieng brought up.
> Notice how you avoided the white word there Goatboy!

Dude, the reason is because he's NOT being racist against white people. It just so happens that all these people who blame "darkie" immigrants for all our problems, they just happen to be mostly white...

> Is it because
> you would have been racist yourself(or percieved to be) for assuming
> that all vandals racing stolen hatchbacks are white, even know you
> didn't say it, but meant it?

No you mong! He was saying what you're saying now.
No particular group is to blame for crime.
But these "anti - immigrant" groups seem to forget that.

> A question i've already put across(but nobody's answered)...
> What happens when all the immigrants that come in, age themselves?
> What then, bring more in?
> then what? Overcrowded Britain

Dude. That is SO simpleton.
The point put across to you was the native English aren't producing enough offspring to run the country. These aging immigrants will provide their own offspring, and more young immigrants come in.

And if we're being overcrowded, how come our population figures aren't soaring out of control?


> You see, there is no way I can see
> this solving all our problems, maybee the short term, but then again
> I don't think in short terms. Anyone with a answer to this question
> please feel free and have your say, but I bet you can't find a
> solution without sounding racist.

But what are the problems?
The only problem I see is a simpleton public being manipulated by the media, used as a scapegoat for the problems caused elsewhere.
So not only are people "made racist", the real cause of the problems aren't sorted out.
Sat 29/01/05 at 08:28
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"Don't let me down"
Posts: 626
Goatboy wrote:
> Darkies!
> Coming over here taking YOUR women and living in YOUR car and eating
> YOUR food and raping YOUR budgie.
> Sending the money home!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!! Working hard to support a
> family miles away? Inconsiderate nignogs, how dare they.
>
> Kevstar, you're a tool. And using the argument "backed by 93% of
> Sun Readers" is like saying a dog is clever because it's never
> failed an exam.

Hey, I was just asking how immigrants are good for the economy(like light says they are) if they spend there money in the Country's there from, not all, but the ones that do. And it's nice how a notable comes on thinking he's big by calling me a tool, nice how he mentions the 93% backing of Sun readers, but forgets to comment(or is it because your stumped for answers) my other points regarding the tory's gain in the polls since the immigration plans come into place.
>
> I'd like you, and anyone else thinking we're drowning in a tidal wave
> of brown-skinned lazy criminals, to give me an example of exactly how
> you have suffered as a result of millions upon millions of
> fuzzywuzzies sneaking into Britain please.

Me suffered, never, but the whole pont of me starting this debate was to point out overcrowding(but you can't do that theese days without bieng called racist can you). If there is a problem with overcrowding then the most sensible answer is to limit the people coming in, or you can build more houses on new land which will make Britain overcrowded more in a few more years.

>
> Because I'll be honest, to me the greater problem seems to be the
> rapidly rising levels of unwanted, feral kids roaming estates and
> committing mindless acts of boredom-induced vandalism whilst racing
> stolen hatchbacks. And guess what colour they are?

Naaa (the way that question was put, I assume you mean white people), it depends where there from and how well there bieng brought up. Notice how you avoided the white word there Goatboy! Is it because you would have been racist yourself(or percieved to be) for assuming that all vandals racing stolen hatchbacks are white, even know you didn't say it, but meant it?

A question i've already put across(but nobody's answered)...
What happens when all the immigrants that come in, age themselves? What then, bring more in?
then what? Overcrowded Britain You see, there is no way I can see this solving all our problems, maybee the short term, but then again I don't think in short terms. Anyone with a answer to this question please feel free and have your say, but I bet you can't find a solution without sounding racist.
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