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"It's a f****** disgrace"

What sort of a society do we live in, really. 70,000, that's seventy thousand people have died. And what does our government offer them?

One. Million. Pounds.

Later they upped that to a 'whopping' £15 million, but in my opinion that's because they were shamed into it. Then there's the US who offer a 'collossal' £35 million. What really rubs it in though is Jack Straw and George Bush standing there and giving excuses why they can't give more. I really believe the western world has become completely morally bankrupt.

Bush : "Last year 40% of all aid given in the world was given by the US."

Who gives a crap who gave what when, you t***pot, do you really have a clue what the real world is about?? For gods sake, how much money have both nations plowed into that ridiculous war? I don't hear any complaints about budgets when that subject is raised. Not to mention the human loss of life.

It makes you ashamed to be British and affiliated with what is turning out to be an Empire of bullies, ignorant knuckledraggers and yes men. This New Year I'm hoping for a Nuclear Holocaust.

Rant Over. Time for the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

ßora† §agdiyeV wrote:
> Stuff about a nuclear weapon

No, that's not fair, us people here, who ahve done nothing wrong by living in teh right country would end up getting some sort of radiation poisoning or something, so it's prbably a pretty bad idea.

OK, I did tailor it to suit my needs, sort of. I don't like losing an argument,which well, I was never going to win because you're all too stubborn. But it also does work in that way, as it shows that either everyone gets little help

I'm not saying 100 million isn't worth sending over. It certainly is.
But 1 million isn't worth sending over, and {I]could[/I] be put to better use here, where there's still a problem, but it's much smaller.

It doens't have to go towards homeless people either, it could fund the literature or computers that a school needs, or buy a score of new hospital equipment, whereas it's like dropping a penny in the ocean by sending it over there.

Maybe not. I retract that too. (Damn, this isn't fair, I'm losing), 1 million could set up hundreds of small clinics which could treat some people and give them clean water to try and stop the spread of diahorrea and other common diseases.

BUT, back to my origianlpoint.

Yeah, they should be grateful they're getting any money at all, as someone down their mentioned,the UKhave already offered more than the rest of teh EU combined.

And the "country I'll never visit", I was wrong about that too, hence why i wrote, "I stand by that sort of"


Now I'm just going to try and weasel my way oput of this completely by saying, yeah, I haven't slept in about 60 hours.

*Yawn*

I'm off to bed.
[S]If by bed you mean somehwere that isn't here{/S]
*Cough*

I think we should use all that aid money to create the worlds biggest nuclear weapon. Who's with me? Think about it. Money well spent. No-one will be thinking about their dead relatives or a clean drink of water when they see that thing go off.

There should hopefully be a bit left over to buy all those lucky enough to be in sight range some state of the art ray bans, so they can enjoy the glory of fission in all its technicolor glory. Those brave enough can don their shorts and work on their tans.

If we set it off at sea, there'll be plenty of boiled, if slightly radioactive fish for an after-fallout beach party. Just give it a quick rinse under the tap, and presto, plenty for all. Now isn't that civilised? And so uplifting after all that death. Also, free Moccasins for the first 10,000 punters, crafted from the finest Sautéed Blue Whale.

We'll leave it a few weeks at least before we slap 'em with the bill, after all, we're not heartless. Another western triumph of human relations.

Nope, sorry. Still reads like the ill-informed ramblings of a 16yr old with no grasp on reality. The old 'I was angry when I posted that' ruse didn't work for Bell and it won't work for you.

So, because £100m won't be enough to solve all the problems, it's not worth sending anything - just spend it on the homeless in this country! Newsflash - the government does spend money on homelessness and poverty in this country, perhaps not as much as they should, but you seem to think it's swept under the carpet and forgotten about.

Oh yeah, and any money donated isn't split per person to those affected. They don't get a £20 note and a smile each. That's something which even the dumbest of children would surely figure out, unless of course you were just shoehorning it in to fit your argument.

And I still don't get the 'why spend it on a country most of us are never going to visit' line. Baffling.

EDIT: Just read the UK has upped their donation to £50m. It's a start I suppose. Still waiting on America though.

So, someone has chosen to complain about the countries giving the most aid, as opposed to those giving (comparitively) little.

Makes. Sense.

The UK is currently giving more than all of the EU combined, the US has long been the most generous donor to Africa and SE Asia.

Goatboy wrote:
> munn wrote:
> And Snuggly, I never ocne said that they don't deserve aid, my
> point's being confused, again.
> ------
>
> I'd like to quote a couple of your posts from this very thread:
>
> "Considering how little we get from our own government, I'd say
> that they'e lucky they're even getting a million"

That, I didn't mean in a bad way, what I meant was that I'm surprised the Government even offered them that much, considering that they don't even seem to treat the homelessness and poverty in thir own country.
>
> "If they can't be bothered to think about their own future, why
> should I give them money?

I can't excuse that, I was probably angry, I don't know, but when I start arguing, I tend to say things I don't mean, and that's one of them.

> "I'd rather they addressed the homelessness in poverty in our
> country before they go and give money to a country which most people
> in the country will never visit."
> ------

That I still stand by, sort of. There's nowhere near as many people in this country taht are homeless as there are in those countrie hit by the Tsunami, but 1 million pounds isn't going to do much good for 5 million people, whereas it could do a lot in this country.




I'm not against giving aid in any way, what I originally started out arguing was that you moan that we are scroogish, which we are, but that the government should at least give money to the homeless and porvety-ridden of
our own country, as at least money will fix their problems (probably).

You give 1 billion overall, that ends up as probably about 20 quid per person. That's helpful, for a while, but then, that money's gone, they still don't have their family members they lost, 20 pounds own't buy them new homes or farms, and that's from a huge donation of one billion.


The truth is, we can't give enough aid to help them enough, and anything less than 100 million is like shooting a tank with an air rifle, and even then, it's still not enough, really, so, instead of giving aid which, will likely end up wasted, they should fix the problems in their own country.

Now, if the government were offering more money (like 100 million, at least), I wouldn't grumble, but 10 million is barely anythingconsidering the scale of the damage (which I know is what the post is originally about, and I also know they only offered 1 million at first and upped it to 15), and it would make more sense to do good here where it would be ofuse in the long term for people.,

>
> Did your parents have any kids that lived?

No, we all died at 6 months old.
We're zombies.

munn wrote:
And Snuggly, I never ocne said that they don't deserve aid, my
> point's being confused, again.
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I'd like to quote a couple of your posts from this very thread:

"Considering how little we get from our own government, I'd say that they'e lucky they're even getting a million"

"If they can't be bothered to think about their own future, why should I give them money?

"I'd rather they addressed the homelessness in poverty in our country before they go and give money to a country which most people in the country will never visit."
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Did your parents have any kids that lived?

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> Damn. I wanted to see Munn get ripped a new one.

Yeah, shame I'd already taken a look at what it was linking me to.

And Snuggly, I never ocne said that they don't deserve aid, my point's being confused, again.
They deserve as much aid as they can get, but we, as economically stable countries, DON'T have a duty to give it to them, yet we do, and yet you complain that it's not enough.

Oh, and don't give me any of your crap about being a spoilt little kid, I'm actually quite tall.

Okay munn, picture it like this. Your house has been destroyed, your mother is dead and your father is missing, presumed dead. Your baby brother is also missing and you're left to bring up a 2 year old girl all by yourself. Your friends are also all dead, as is a quarter of the town you live in. There are no houses or streets, there's devastation everywhere, corpses in the streets and the stagnant stench of death in the air. Everyone is in the same position as you.

Tell me they don't deserve aid. As an economically sound country, it is our responsibility to send countries aid after disasters like this. How would you feel if you were left standing on what used to be your house, thinking 'Gee, I wish those richer countries would hurry up and solve their own problems before helping us.'

Over 100,000 dead, will likely rise to 150,000 or more after disease.
5 million homeless, again, will likely rise.
Disease.
Death.

Try telling them they're lucky they're getting anything at all. You clearly have no real knowledge of how the world works, I'm only grateful you're obviously too retarded to ever be in a position of power when you grow up.

And in response to your 'you really think your 18p from your change will help' jibe? Well hell, the £20m donated so far equates to around 40p per person throughout the entire country, according your workings. So it looks like it is helping. If we're 'regular Mother Theresa's', what the hell does that make you? A spoilt, ignorant little boy. Enjoy being laughed at and ridiculed when your opinion is supposed to matter.

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Excellent.