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Just thought this might be an interesting one.
Have a bit of a session with your mates and get to some food stuck inbetween your teeth do you try and find a tooth pick or just use the stylus?
Is there some safety concerns here?
Have a bit of a session with your mates and get to some food stuck inbetween your teeth do you try and find a tooth pick or just use the stylus?
Is there some safety concerns here?
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gerrid wrote:
> Macintosh wrote:
> I saw a portable DVD player for
> just over £60 the other day, and it had a tiny screen - but
> people were still buying the thing!
>
> I doubt very much that this unit is selling well at all. Find it and
> show me sales charts where "people were still buying the
> thing". Obviously some people will be buying something like that
> but I'd wager not many. And even fewer if it used UMDs. What facts
> exactly was I stretching?
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errid wrote:
And portable DVD players are fine, because they have 12" screens.
This gives the impression all DVD portables have nice 12" screens - they most certainly dont. Yet some people are buying all types of portable DVD system - so some of them must be the little 6" screen jobs, hence they must therefore be playing movies on them. So why not on the PSP screen, which is quite large? As for the UMD being different to DVD, this only time will tell.
> Macintosh wrote:
> I saw a portable DVD player for
> just over £60 the other day, and it had a tiny screen - but
> people were still buying the thing!
>
> I doubt very much that this unit is selling well at all. Find it and
> show me sales charts where "people were still buying the
> thing". Obviously some people will be buying something like that
> but I'd wager not many. And even fewer if it used UMDs. What facts
> exactly was I stretching?
This bit...
errid wrote:
And portable DVD players are fine, because they have 12" screens.
This gives the impression all DVD portables have nice 12" screens - they most certainly dont. Yet some people are buying all types of portable DVD system - so some of them must be the little 6" screen jobs, hence they must therefore be playing movies on them. So why not on the PSP screen, which is quite large? As for the UMD being different to DVD, this only time will tell.
Macintosh wrote:
> Well, if its less than ideal on PDA's (a slower enviroment - less
> games, etc), what chance does it stand in a fast paced enviroment
> like a games console?
I wouldn't say it's less than ideal on PDAs I'd say it was the ideal solution.
> And again, you've failed to answer how you know that it isnt any
> good
> when you've never used it.
>
> I think the Nintendo system will due to its cost, and the speed of
> stylus input development, will be similar to other existing systems
> like those on PDA's, which I have used, and which I have said are not
> as good as using keys.
FOr a start your sentence doesn't make any sense, but you're basically saying "the Nintendo DS touchscreen is rubbish because I've used a PDA and I prefer Keyboard and mouse". See how illogical and ridiulous your argument is?
> And,
> I also wonder about how quick you can respond to things in a fast
> game using a stylus. Stylus input doesnt always give instant input.
> This is certainly an issue I have had with the ones I have used.
It's not an issue with the DS or any games I've played on it. And I've played it and I have one so I think I can safely lay your fears to rest.
> Well, if its less than ideal on PDA's (a slower enviroment - less
> games, etc), what chance does it stand in a fast paced enviroment
> like a games console?
I wouldn't say it's less than ideal on PDAs I'd say it was the ideal solution.
> And again, you've failed to answer how you know that it isnt any
> good
> when you've never used it.
>
> I think the Nintendo system will due to its cost, and the speed of
> stylus input development, will be similar to other existing systems
> like those on PDA's, which I have used, and which I have said are not
> as good as using keys.
FOr a start your sentence doesn't make any sense, but you're basically saying "the Nintendo DS touchscreen is rubbish because I've used a PDA and I prefer Keyboard and mouse". See how illogical and ridiulous your argument is?
> And,
> I also wonder about how quick you can respond to things in a fast
> game using a stylus. Stylus input doesnt always give instant input.
> This is certainly an issue I have had with the ones I have used.
It's not an issue with the DS or any games I've played on it. And I've played it and I have one so I think I can safely lay your fears to rest.
Dringo wrote:
> Macintosh wrote:
> Sony have sold about 510,000 units, and it took only 2-3 weeks. They
> have sold every one - so I dont see how anyone can say that nobody
> wants one.
>
> No you're lying, there were only 350,000 avalible before Christmas
> and 500,000 by the end of 2005. Sony have not sold that in 2-3 weeks,
> they barely sold 200,000 in that time.
:O LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!
> Macintosh wrote:
> Sony have sold about 510,000 units, and it took only 2-3 weeks. They
> have sold every one - so I dont see how anyone can say that nobody
> wants one.
>
> No you're lying, there were only 350,000 avalible before Christmas
> and 500,000 by the end of 2005. Sony have not sold that in 2-3 weeks,
> they barely sold 200,000 in that time.
:O LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!
Top score wrote:
> Perhaps Nintendo should include a homing device on the Stylus so if
> anyone loses it they can find it again.
There are 2 stylus' with the console and a thumb strap.
> Perhaps Nintendo should include a homing device on the Stylus so if
> anyone loses it they can find it again.
There are 2 stylus' with the console and a thumb strap.
gerrid wrote:
> DSs are small, not desktop PCs, but handheld devices like PDAs which
> use touchscreen. How exactly does this prove that the touchscreen for
> the DS is no good?
Well, if its less than ideal on PDA's (a slower enviroment - less games, etc), what chance does it stand in a fast paced enviroment like a games console?
> And again, you've failed to answer how you know that it isnt any good
> when you've never used it.
I think the Nintendo system will due to its cost, and the speed of stylus input development, will be similar to other existing systems like those on PDA's, which I have used, and which I have said are not as good as using keys.
And,
I also wonder about how quick you can respond to things in a fast game using a stylus. Stylus input doesnt always give instant input. This is certainly an issue I have had with the ones I have used.
> DSs are small, not desktop PCs, but handheld devices like PDAs which
> use touchscreen. How exactly does this prove that the touchscreen for
> the DS is no good?
Well, if its less than ideal on PDA's (a slower enviroment - less games, etc), what chance does it stand in a fast paced enviroment like a games console?
> And again, you've failed to answer how you know that it isnt any good
> when you've never used it.
I think the Nintendo system will due to its cost, and the speed of stylus input development, will be similar to other existing systems like those on PDA's, which I have used, and which I have said are not as good as using keys.
And,
I also wonder about how quick you can respond to things in a fast game using a stylus. Stylus input doesnt always give instant input. This is certainly an issue I have had with the ones I have used.
Macintosh wrote:
> gerrid wrote:
> HAVE YOU PLAYED A GAME ON THE DS USING THE TOUCHSCREEN?
>
>
> No need to shout. The answer is no, but my points still stand.
>
> Have used a PSP?
No but he isn't criticising the PSP.
> gerrid wrote:
> HAVE YOU PLAYED A GAME ON THE DS USING THE TOUCHSCREEN?
>
>
> No need to shout. The answer is no, but my points still stand.
>
> Have used a PSP?
No but he isn't criticising the PSP.
Macintosh wrote:
> Sony have sold about 510,000 units, and it took only 2-3 weeks. They
> have sold every one - so I dont see how anyone can say that nobody
> wants one.
No you're lying, there were only 350,000 avalible before Christmas and 500,000 by the end of 2005. Sony have not sold that in 2-3 weeks, they barely sold 200,000 in that time.
> Sony have sold about 510,000 units, and it took only 2-3 weeks. They
> have sold every one - so I dont see how anyone can say that nobody
> wants one.
No you're lying, there were only 350,000 avalible before Christmas and 500,000 by the end of 2005. Sony have not sold that in 2-3 weeks, they barely sold 200,000 in that time.
Macintosh wrote:
> so why bother with the
> stylus/touch screen technology, if you dont need to?
How narrow minded can you get? By your logic Nintendo didn't NEED to put an anolog stick no the N64, BUT THEY DID IT and now it's the standard. They didnt NEED bring out a DS at all. No one NEEDS to do anything - the whole point is that it allows new types of games to be created! Games that use a touch screen! Games which you haven't played!
> so why bother with the
> stylus/touch screen technology, if you dont need to?
How narrow minded can you get? By your logic Nintendo didn't NEED to put an anolog stick no the N64, BUT THEY DID IT and now it's the standard. They didnt NEED bring out a DS at all. No one NEEDS to do anything - the whole point is that it allows new types of games to be created! Games that use a touch screen! Games which you haven't played!
So you've just done it again. Keyboard/mouse is the best input for a desktop PC. Very clever. 1 point to you
PDAs are small and so use touchscreens. Another point to you
DSs are small, not desktop PCs, but handheld devices like PDAs which use touchscreen. How exactly does this prove that the touchscreen for the DS is no good?
And again, you've failed to answer how you know that it isnt any good when you've never used it.
PDAs are small and so use touchscreens. Another point to you
DSs are small, not desktop PCs, but handheld devices like PDAs which use touchscreen. How exactly does this prove that the touchscreen for the DS is no good?
And again, you've failed to answer how you know that it isnt any good when you've never used it.
gerrid wrote:
> Macintosh wrote:
> I have used a stylus on a PDA before. Like I said, the people in
> large computer firms have, for years, been messing around with new
> input systems like the Stylus, but they always return to keys, and a
> mouse.
>
> OK let me get this straight. The fact that PDAs (those are HANDHELD,
> PORTABLE computers) use touchscreens as standard means that
> touchscreens are not good input devices? Run that one by me again?
>
> And don't tell me you were trying to say that because DESKTOP PCs use
> keyboards and mice and not touchscreens, the touschreen on the DS is
> not a good input device.
>
> You've pretty much shot your whole argument in the head here, by
> pointing out that touschscreens are the best input for handheld
> devices such as PDAs.
>
> And you still haven't explained how you know that the touschreen on
> the DS is no good for games when you've never used one.
It is a fact people like MS, Appple, and others, have been trying out things like stylus input as a replacement for keyboards, mouse, etc for years, and with a few exceptions, they always come back to the keyboard + mouse as it is better.
PDA's are bit different. Can you imagine such a small mechanical keyboard? Pison used a smallish PDA keyboard for a few years, but that was actualy quite large by todays standards, and even that one was far from ideal. Thats the problem - to small for peoples fingers. Therefore they have to use stylus/touch screen technology.
DS is a games box, therefore you dont need a QWERTY keyboard, just a few buttons. Since there are only a few buttons, they can be larger, which means the problem of "small keys" is not an issue. But for some reason, Nintendo thnk the Stylus/touch screen is better. Thats the key. Stylus input is not better - its just PDA's dont have enough room for all those keys - so there is no option. The DS only has a few keys, so they can be larger - so why bother with the stylus/touch screen technology, if you dont need to?
> Macintosh wrote:
> I have used a stylus on a PDA before. Like I said, the people in
> large computer firms have, for years, been messing around with new
> input systems like the Stylus, but they always return to keys, and a
> mouse.
>
> OK let me get this straight. The fact that PDAs (those are HANDHELD,
> PORTABLE computers) use touchscreens as standard means that
> touchscreens are not good input devices? Run that one by me again?
>
> And don't tell me you were trying to say that because DESKTOP PCs use
> keyboards and mice and not touchscreens, the touschreen on the DS is
> not a good input device.
>
> You've pretty much shot your whole argument in the head here, by
> pointing out that touschscreens are the best input for handheld
> devices such as PDAs.
>
> And you still haven't explained how you know that the touschreen on
> the DS is no good for games when you've never used one.
It is a fact people like MS, Appple, and others, have been trying out things like stylus input as a replacement for keyboards, mouse, etc for years, and with a few exceptions, they always come back to the keyboard + mouse as it is better.
PDA's are bit different. Can you imagine such a small mechanical keyboard? Pison used a smallish PDA keyboard for a few years, but that was actualy quite large by todays standards, and even that one was far from ideal. Thats the problem - to small for peoples fingers. Therefore they have to use stylus/touch screen technology.
DS is a games box, therefore you dont need a QWERTY keyboard, just a few buttons. Since there are only a few buttons, they can be larger, which means the problem of "small keys" is not an issue. But for some reason, Nintendo thnk the Stylus/touch screen is better. Thats the key. Stylus input is not better - its just PDA's dont have enough room for all those keys - so there is no option. The DS only has a few keys, so they can be larger - so why bother with the stylus/touch screen technology, if you dont need to?
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