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Have a bit of a session with your mates and get to some food stuck inbetween your teeth do you try and find a tooth pick or just use the stylus?
Is there some safety concerns here?
Have a bit of a session with your mates and get to some food stuck inbetween your teeth do you try and find a tooth pick or just use the stylus?
Is there some safety concerns here?
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Whitestripes DX wrote:
> CBA to read your post after the first statement.
>
>
> Touch screen controls for games is a bigger leap than playing bad
> Playstation ports on a little screen.
Now thats silly, you know as well as I, PSP has a larger 16:9 display. The DS has 2 "little" screens.
> CBA to read your post after the first statement.
>
>
> Touch screen controls for games is a bigger leap than playing bad
> Playstation ports on a little screen.
Now thats silly, you know as well as I, PSP has a larger 16:9 display. The DS has 2 "little" screens.
Macintosh, my point doesn't change. Sony made console games acceptable and not cool. No one will take the PSP out with them.
The DS is a massive change from the Gameboy, it is in proper 3D with a new style of control. It is very different.
The next Gameboy will see the end of the PSP.
The DS is a massive change from the Gameboy, it is in proper 3D with a new style of control. It is very different.
The next Gameboy will see the end of the PSP.
CBA to read your post after the first statement.
Touch screen controls for games is a bigger leap than playing bad Playstation ports on a little screen.
Touch screen controls for games is a bigger leap than playing bad Playstation ports on a little screen.
I can't believe you quoted the whole thing.
Gayby.
Gayby.
Dringo wrote:
> Gaming is not cool.
>
> Lets say you are down the pub, chatting up some local lass, perhaps
> bring up how nice she looks, music taste maybe or at a push films.
>
> Saying "I'm a Nintendo fan" or "I love
> Playstation" doesn't work (I know).
>
> It is not cool to go around saying "Guess what I got the latest
> PS2 game the other day"... Please.
>
> But the thing is casual gamers, the joe guy that would discuss music
> or prefered beverages with a wee lassie, do own a Playstation. Why
> not, something to quickly play on and watch DVD's. In fact I know
> many of these types of gamers, almost all of them got their PS2's
> early in its lifespan and nearly all of them have 5 games or less.
>
> They're not geeks, they are not me and they are not you, they aren't
> gaming fans. They get the games that gather the hype, they buy the
> games they played round their friends.
>
> No one will call them sad for playing a Playstation, they don't lose
> any sex appeal and most importantly they know nothing about gaming to
> enable them to "discuss" it down the pub.
>
>
>
> But it seems that Macintosh here is implying that the PSP can do the
> same as the PS1. That the PSP won't make gaming "cool" but
> acceptable and something to do on the side.
>
> Since when has a handheld EVER done that???
>
> The only person I know who owns a handheld is a girl named Amy who
> just wanted a phone and thought "The N-GAGE is nice and
> new", she is constantly ripped when the phone enters the pub. In
> fact she now has a new phone for that reason.
>
> Can you picture it now. That guy you knew from school, you know the
> one, the captain of the football team who didn't really notice your
> existance and had girls swooning over? Yeah he has a Playstation. Now
> imagine seeing him, or one of his many cronies, sitting in the park,
> down the pub, back of a car... with a Playstation Pocket... and try
> and tell me you wouldn't laugh.
>
> They would not be seen dead. Gaming is not cool, that is why you
> don't see people constantly discuss the state of a potential Beyond
> Good and Evil sequel in the local kebab shop.
>
> And the PSP, being a handheld system, means that these
> "cool" people need to be seen with this new handheld
> device. An I-Pod plays music. That is cool. The I-pod also has 3
> built in games. But you don't advertise that fact. The PSP is a games
> machine oh with an in built music playing device. Not cool.
>
> Don't go telling me the PSP is like the I-Pod, the I-pod can be
> cool... it not only looks good but it plays music. Case Scenario,
> what is more likely to happen, some girl coming up to you and asking
> what music you have on your I-Pod or some lass asking what game you
> are playing on the PSP and whether it is that much touted Medievil
> sequel? Gaming is not cool and being seen playing games on the go is
> seriously "un-cool"
>
>
> You can argue that the PSP sells to kids too. Well that is true, the
> sad thing is the PSP is not made like a GBA SP or a DS, it can be
> damaged. It is also an expensive piece of kit, kids can't afford it.
> MP3 player and movie playing ability WILL only appeal to adults. It
> looks like a smart gadget, again selling to adults.
>
> The PSP is marketing itself to adults and there are enough hardcore
> gamers or gadget freaks out there to make it profitable.
>
> But the DS, that is also going to appeal to hardcore gamers, Nintendo
> always have appealed to hardcore gamers and it (being full of promise
> of interesting concepts) will also appeal to Gadget freaks.
>
> Also being a handheld Nintendo console, it will appeal to kids too.
>
>
> Neither the PSP or the DS are cool.
>
> But at least the DS isn't pretending to be.
No, I think your post is way of base. Maybe until now, your text has been right - handhelds have not had the cool/adult factor. Handhelds until now are still "old technology". Cr@p graphics and sounds.
Nintendo think the right way to go is to launch an evolution product - the DS. It looks like a toy, its cheap, its not a giant leap. PSP offers more power, more graphic power, better sound, potential for larger, more expansive games, and it plays music and movies too. This enables for much more grown up games - more like those on home consoles. But even more than that, those capabilities combined with the marketing aimed at older gamers could be enough to push hand held games into a much wider market, just as PS1 did to N64. Nobody knows if this will happen for sure, but the way we look at the nature of handheld games might be changed forever if Sony get their way.
> Gaming is not cool.
>
> Lets say you are down the pub, chatting up some local lass, perhaps
> bring up how nice she looks, music taste maybe or at a push films.
>
> Saying "I'm a Nintendo fan" or "I love
> Playstation" doesn't work (I know).
>
> It is not cool to go around saying "Guess what I got the latest
> PS2 game the other day"... Please.
>
> But the thing is casual gamers, the joe guy that would discuss music
> or prefered beverages with a wee lassie, do own a Playstation. Why
> not, something to quickly play on and watch DVD's. In fact I know
> many of these types of gamers, almost all of them got their PS2's
> early in its lifespan and nearly all of them have 5 games or less.
>
> They're not geeks, they are not me and they are not you, they aren't
> gaming fans. They get the games that gather the hype, they buy the
> games they played round their friends.
>
> No one will call them sad for playing a Playstation, they don't lose
> any sex appeal and most importantly they know nothing about gaming to
> enable them to "discuss" it down the pub.
>
>
>
> But it seems that Macintosh here is implying that the PSP can do the
> same as the PS1. That the PSP won't make gaming "cool" but
> acceptable and something to do on the side.
>
> Since when has a handheld EVER done that???
>
> The only person I know who owns a handheld is a girl named Amy who
> just wanted a phone and thought "The N-GAGE is nice and
> new", she is constantly ripped when the phone enters the pub. In
> fact she now has a new phone for that reason.
>
> Can you picture it now. That guy you knew from school, you know the
> one, the captain of the football team who didn't really notice your
> existance and had girls swooning over? Yeah he has a Playstation. Now
> imagine seeing him, or one of his many cronies, sitting in the park,
> down the pub, back of a car... with a Playstation Pocket... and try
> and tell me you wouldn't laugh.
>
> They would not be seen dead. Gaming is not cool, that is why you
> don't see people constantly discuss the state of a potential Beyond
> Good and Evil sequel in the local kebab shop.
>
> And the PSP, being a handheld system, means that these
> "cool" people need to be seen with this new handheld
> device. An I-Pod plays music. That is cool. The I-pod also has 3
> built in games. But you don't advertise that fact. The PSP is a games
> machine oh with an in built music playing device. Not cool.
>
> Don't go telling me the PSP is like the I-Pod, the I-pod can be
> cool... it not only looks good but it plays music. Case Scenario,
> what is more likely to happen, some girl coming up to you and asking
> what music you have on your I-Pod or some lass asking what game you
> are playing on the PSP and whether it is that much touted Medievil
> sequel? Gaming is not cool and being seen playing games on the go is
> seriously "un-cool"
>
>
> You can argue that the PSP sells to kids too. Well that is true, the
> sad thing is the PSP is not made like a GBA SP or a DS, it can be
> damaged. It is also an expensive piece of kit, kids can't afford it.
> MP3 player and movie playing ability WILL only appeal to adults. It
> looks like a smart gadget, again selling to adults.
>
> The PSP is marketing itself to adults and there are enough hardcore
> gamers or gadget freaks out there to make it profitable.
>
> But the DS, that is also going to appeal to hardcore gamers, Nintendo
> always have appealed to hardcore gamers and it (being full of promise
> of interesting concepts) will also appeal to Gadget freaks.
>
> Also being a handheld Nintendo console, it will appeal to kids too.
>
>
> Neither the PSP or the DS are cool.
>
> But at least the DS isn't pretending to be.
No, I think your post is way of base. Maybe until now, your text has been right - handhelds have not had the cool/adult factor. Handhelds until now are still "old technology". Cr@p graphics and sounds.
Nintendo think the right way to go is to launch an evolution product - the DS. It looks like a toy, its cheap, its not a giant leap. PSP offers more power, more graphic power, better sound, potential for larger, more expansive games, and it plays music and movies too. This enables for much more grown up games - more like those on home consoles. But even more than that, those capabilities combined with the marketing aimed at older gamers could be enough to push hand held games into a much wider market, just as PS1 did to N64. Nobody knows if this will happen for sure, but the way we look at the nature of handheld games might be changed forever if Sony get their way.
He'll never reply to that. My guess is that he read it and went off and sulked because he knew you were right.
Gaming is not cool.
Lets say you are down the pub, chatting up some local lass, perhaps bring up how nice she looks, music taste maybe or at a push films.
Saying "I'm a Nintendo fan" or "I love Playstation" doesn't work (I know).
It is not cool to go around saying "Guess what I got the latest PS2 game the other day"... Please.
But the thing is casual gamers, the joe guy that would discuss music or prefered beverages with a wee lassie, do own a Playstation. Why not, something to quickly play on and watch DVD's. In fact I know many of these types of gamers, almost all of them got their PS2's early in its lifespan and nearly all of them have 5 games or less.
They're not geeks, they are not me and they are not you, they aren't gaming fans. They get the games that gather the hype, they buy the games they played round their friends.
No one will call them sad for playing a Playstation, they don't lose any sex appeal and most importantly they know nothing about gaming to enable them to "discuss" it down the pub.
But it seems that Macintosh here is implying that the PSP can do the same as the PS1. That the PSP won't make gaming "cool" but acceptable and something to do on the side.
Since when has a handheld EVER done that???
The only person I know who owns a handheld is a girl named Amy who just wanted a phone and thought "The N-GAGE is nice and new", she is constantly ripped when the phone enters the pub. In fact she now has a new phone for that reason.
Can you picture it now. That guy you knew from school, you know the one, the captain of the football team who didn't really notice your existance and had girls swooning over? Yeah he has a Playstation. Now imagine seeing him, or one of his many cronies, sitting in the park, down the pub, back of a car... with a Playstation Pocket... and try and tell me you wouldn't laugh.
They would not be seen dead. Gaming is not cool, that is why you don't see people constantly discuss the state of a potential Beyond Good and Evil sequel in the local kebab shop.
And the PSP, being a handheld system, means that these "cool" people need to be seen with this new handheld device. An I-Pod plays music. That is cool. The I-pod also has 3 built in games. But you don't advertise that fact. The PSP is a games machine oh with an in built music playing device. Not cool.
Don't go telling me the PSP is like the I-Pod, the I-pod can be cool... it not only looks good but it plays music. Case Scenario, what is more likely to happen, some girl coming up to you and asking what music you have on your I-Pod or some lass asking what game you are playing on the PSP and whether it is that much touted Medievil sequel? Gaming is not cool and being seen playing games on the go is seriously "un-cool"
You can argue that the PSP sells to kids too. Well that is true, the sad thing is the PSP is not made like a GBA SP or a DS, it can be damaged. It is also an expensive piece of kit, kids can't afford it. MP3 player and movie playing ability WILL only appeal to adults. It looks like a smart gadget, again selling to adults.
The PSP is marketing itself to adults and there are enough hardcore gamers or gadget freaks out there to make it profitable.
But the DS, that is also going to appeal to hardcore gamers, Nintendo always have appealed to hardcore gamers and it (being full of promise of interesting concepts) will also appeal to Gadget freaks.
Also being a handheld Nintendo console, it will appeal to kids too.
Neither the PSP or the DS are cool.
But at least the DS isn't pretending to be.
Lets say you are down the pub, chatting up some local lass, perhaps bring up how nice she looks, music taste maybe or at a push films.
Saying "I'm a Nintendo fan" or "I love Playstation" doesn't work (I know).
It is not cool to go around saying "Guess what I got the latest PS2 game the other day"... Please.
But the thing is casual gamers, the joe guy that would discuss music or prefered beverages with a wee lassie, do own a Playstation. Why not, something to quickly play on and watch DVD's. In fact I know many of these types of gamers, almost all of them got their PS2's early in its lifespan and nearly all of them have 5 games or less.
They're not geeks, they are not me and they are not you, they aren't gaming fans. They get the games that gather the hype, they buy the games they played round their friends.
No one will call them sad for playing a Playstation, they don't lose any sex appeal and most importantly they know nothing about gaming to enable them to "discuss" it down the pub.
But it seems that Macintosh here is implying that the PSP can do the same as the PS1. That the PSP won't make gaming "cool" but acceptable and something to do on the side.
Since when has a handheld EVER done that???
The only person I know who owns a handheld is a girl named Amy who just wanted a phone and thought "The N-GAGE is nice and new", she is constantly ripped when the phone enters the pub. In fact she now has a new phone for that reason.
Can you picture it now. That guy you knew from school, you know the one, the captain of the football team who didn't really notice your existance and had girls swooning over? Yeah he has a Playstation. Now imagine seeing him, or one of his many cronies, sitting in the park, down the pub, back of a car... with a Playstation Pocket... and try and tell me you wouldn't laugh.
They would not be seen dead. Gaming is not cool, that is why you don't see people constantly discuss the state of a potential Beyond Good and Evil sequel in the local kebab shop.
And the PSP, being a handheld system, means that these "cool" people need to be seen with this new handheld device. An I-Pod plays music. That is cool. The I-pod also has 3 built in games. But you don't advertise that fact. The PSP is a games machine oh with an in built music playing device. Not cool.
Don't go telling me the PSP is like the I-Pod, the I-pod can be cool... it not only looks good but it plays music. Case Scenario, what is more likely to happen, some girl coming up to you and asking what music you have on your I-Pod or some lass asking what game you are playing on the PSP and whether it is that much touted Medievil sequel? Gaming is not cool and being seen playing games on the go is seriously "un-cool"
You can argue that the PSP sells to kids too. Well that is true, the sad thing is the PSP is not made like a GBA SP or a DS, it can be damaged. It is also an expensive piece of kit, kids can't afford it. MP3 player and movie playing ability WILL only appeal to adults. It looks like a smart gadget, again selling to adults.
The PSP is marketing itself to adults and there are enough hardcore gamers or gadget freaks out there to make it profitable.
But the DS, that is also going to appeal to hardcore gamers, Nintendo always have appealed to hardcore gamers and it (being full of promise of interesting concepts) will also appeal to Gadget freaks.
Also being a handheld Nintendo console, it will appeal to kids too.
Neither the PSP or the DS are cool.
But at least the DS isn't pretending to be.
Well then if the MP3 is just a bonus feature why are you comparing it to the iPOD.
As for what I said about gaming before the PS - the SNES and the NES and Mega Drive and the Master System were not as seemingly unpopular as you seem to think. Perhaps you didn't have one but many people did. Yes, they were mostly owned by under 18s and yes the PS changed that, but it didn't make gaming any more 'cool', just more widespread. It's shocking that you think that the Playstation brand can make handheld gaming cool in the west. It didn't happen back in 1995 and it won't happen ten years later.
I don't know what world you're living in but consoles aren't as mainstream as television. Hardly anyone over the age of 25 plays on them and they're still mostly the domain of males.
Who's to say what would have happened if Sony had never marketed the PS like they did - maybe SEGA would have tried it, maybe Nintendo would have. As I said, however, the people who were 18 in 1995 were 10 in 1987, and when they were playing their SNESs. The first gaming generation grown up with more cash - obviously they're going to keep on gaming.
ALl I'm trying to say is that there's far more to it than Sony marketing the PS to a slightly older market. That isn't what has made gaming as big as it is now - it contributed, but it wasn't the sole reason.
As for what I said about gaming before the PS - the SNES and the NES and Mega Drive and the Master System were not as seemingly unpopular as you seem to think. Perhaps you didn't have one but many people did. Yes, they were mostly owned by under 18s and yes the PS changed that, but it didn't make gaming any more 'cool', just more widespread. It's shocking that you think that the Playstation brand can make handheld gaming cool in the west. It didn't happen back in 1995 and it won't happen ten years later.
I don't know what world you're living in but consoles aren't as mainstream as television. Hardly anyone over the age of 25 plays on them and they're still mostly the domain of males.
Who's to say what would have happened if Sony had never marketed the PS like they did - maybe SEGA would have tried it, maybe Nintendo would have. As I said, however, the people who were 18 in 1995 were 10 in 1987, and when they were playing their SNESs. The first gaming generation grown up with more cash - obviously they're going to keep on gaming.
ALl I'm trying to say is that there's far more to it than Sony marketing the PS to a slightly older market. That isn't what has made gaming as big as it is now - it contributed, but it wasn't the sole reason.
gerrid wrote:
> Macintosh wrote:
> But lots of people do use iPods. They are targeted at a slightly
> older market, and thats the same market PSP is going for.
>
> That's a completely ridiculous comparison. For a start, playing games
> and listening to music are not the same thing. Gaming isn't 'cool'
> and it hasn't been made 'cool' by Sony. All that has happened is that
> it has become more widespread. This is a virtue not only of
> increasing incomes and leisure time, but also of just the general
> increase in usage that any entertainment medium experiences.
> Obviously Sony helped market the whole video games idea to a wider
> audience, but it didn't make it 'cool'.
>
> The very fact that the PSP is targeting the same audience as the iPod
> could be its downfall - if you want to listen to music why would you
> buy a PSP? The market is already flooded with cheap MP3 players and
> the like, and whether the 'older generation' actually wants portable
> gaming machines is yet to be seen.
The first part of your text is so far off target! 10 years ago, console games or PC games were mostly for younger kids. Nintendo would have kept that going for ever, if PlayStation had not introduced a load of games for an older and wider market. 10 years ago, PC games were things people didnt admit to even playing! And consoles were in the same ball park. But in 2004, console and PC games are nearly as mainstream as tv.
As for the latter part of your text, nobody is saying you should buy a PSP for just the mp3 function. Its a bonus feature - if you want to take the games with you can, and you dont need another device for playing music.
> Macintosh wrote:
> But lots of people do use iPods. They are targeted at a slightly
> older market, and thats the same market PSP is going for.
>
> That's a completely ridiculous comparison. For a start, playing games
> and listening to music are not the same thing. Gaming isn't 'cool'
> and it hasn't been made 'cool' by Sony. All that has happened is that
> it has become more widespread. This is a virtue not only of
> increasing incomes and leisure time, but also of just the general
> increase in usage that any entertainment medium experiences.
> Obviously Sony helped market the whole video games idea to a wider
> audience, but it didn't make it 'cool'.
>
> The very fact that the PSP is targeting the same audience as the iPod
> could be its downfall - if you want to listen to music why would you
> buy a PSP? The market is already flooded with cheap MP3 players and
> the like, and whether the 'older generation' actually wants portable
> gaming machines is yet to be seen.
The first part of your text is so far off target! 10 years ago, console games or PC games were mostly for younger kids. Nintendo would have kept that going for ever, if PlayStation had not introduced a load of games for an older and wider market. 10 years ago, PC games were things people didnt admit to even playing! And consoles were in the same ball park. But in 2004, console and PC games are nearly as mainstream as tv.
As for the latter part of your text, nobody is saying you should buy a PSP for just the mp3 function. Its a bonus feature - if you want to take the games with you can, and you dont need another device for playing music.
Hahahahahaha.
I really support your views TS, you know everything about the PSP and DS.
Oh that DS, it's such a dangerous piece of kit, it's probable that someone will die from just looking at it.
Luckily you are getting a 'safe' PSP which it totally safe and smooth, it's so smooth you can slide it up your anus without vaseline.
Is that why you are getting it? Thought so.
I really support your views TS, you know everything about the PSP and DS.
Oh that DS, it's such a dangerous piece of kit, it's probable that someone will die from just looking at it.
Luckily you are getting a 'safe' PSP which it totally safe and smooth, it's so smooth you can slide it up your anus without vaseline.
Is that why you are getting it? Thought so.
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