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Sun 24/10/04 at 18:14
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After Mike Riley's performance (*cough* crap *cough*) do we have ANY decent in the Premiership AT ALL?
What's happened to Collina joining from the Italian league?
Mon 25/10/04 at 00:08
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Oh bloody hell...

Umpires have one split second every minute or so that they have to pay attention, referees however have to pay attention for 45+ mins at a time and have to be alert all the time. They can't think about things like umpires do, it has to be there and then. Any time spent thinking about the incident only makes things worse.

Try being a referee Clazon, you'll see just how hard it really is. Even kids football is hard enough with the amount of crap that's going on.
Mon 25/10/04 at 00:01
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Ha, speaking of him...

one thing i will say is that Van Nistelrooy was pretty dirty today. That foul on Ashley Cole was dirrrrrrrrrrty(although it made me feel very warm inside), but after what happened last season i really dont blame him.
Sun 24/10/04 at 23:49
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or†ega wrote:
> Clazon wrote:
> If bloody Collina and Merk and Frisk can all get it right 99% of the
> time, why can't 1 of bloody 15 get it right?
>
> I dunno, but them google eyes of Collina are certainly an advantage!

Of course, Keown is the savior of english referees.

:D
Sun 24/10/04 at 23:48
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h11pipi wrote:
> Clazon, are you really that stupid?
>
> If they had to sprint towards the square at the same time as having
> to watch the ball then they'd be stuffed. It's far far easier to
> judge stuff when you've only got a few things to watch and you're
> stood still.

Fair point, IF it were relevant. On the majority of the poor decisions, Riley was standing still.

> Referees have to run up and down the pitch a lot so they have to be
> fit unlike umpires, they will also be tired towards the end, unlike
> umpires. They've got to focus on and off the ball at the same time,
> watching for the flag to go up, making sure that nobody gets into the
> way and at the same time watching the players on the ball.

Again, it is unusual that the ref will be checking linesmen when 2 players are very close to each other, as it is possible a more important event will happen at that one time, where as the linesman will have his flag up for a few seconds.

> And just to finish it off; although it was a terrible dive, it looked
> quite convincing from the ref's angle. Well apart from the arms in
> the air, but all tarts do that now...

Yes poor decision on the pen, but what about the other 25 or so?
Sun 24/10/04 at 23:48
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Clazon wrote:
> If bloody Collina and Merk and Frisk can all get it right 99% of the
> time, why can't 1 of bloody 15 get it right?

I dunno, but them google eyes of Collina are certainly an advantage!
Sun 24/10/04 at 23:24
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Clazon, are you really that stupid?

An umpire stands on the same spot, and although the ball moves fast it's not ~that~ hard to watch it and see where it's going.

If they had to sprint towards the square at the same time as having to watch the ball then they'd be stuffed. It's far far easier to judge stuff when you've only got a few things to watch and you're stood still.

Referees have to run up and down the pitch a lot so they have to be fit unlike umpires, they will also be tired towards the end, unlike umpires. They've got to focus on and off the ball at the same time, watching for the flag to go up, making sure that nobody gets into the way and at the same time watching the players on the ball.

And just to finish it off; although it was a terrible dive, it looked quite convincing from the ref's angle. Well apart from the arms in the air, but all tarts do that now...
Sun 24/10/04 at 23:07
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I agree it's starting to stretch a little.

But I'm just so disappointed that english umpires in my view do an excellent job and yet english referees do not.

It's not just Riley tonight. It's Riley all the time.

It's not Riley all the time. It's all english referees all the time.

It's so sad that it's come to the point where by an english ref having a good game is a suprise to me and is easy to notice.

If bloody Collina and Merk and Frisk can all get it right 99% of the time, why can't 1 of bloody 15 get it right?
Sun 24/10/04 at 22:49
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Please stop, Clazon.

For your own good :-)
Sun 24/10/04 at 22:13
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i'munn wrote:
> And then there's the fact that umpires don't have to deal with people
> diving, trying to get a penalty/free kick, and incidents which quite
> easily could be fair/foul.

foul/ no foul similar to out/ not out
Sun 24/10/04 at 22:12
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And the rules of football are rather more complicated affairs.

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