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One thing that really astonishes me is the number of people who sleep around in the world today. For those of us among us who believe in the Bibile, sex outside marriage is forbidden, yet so many people, religeous and otherwise, see it their duty to have multiple sexual partners. Its only a symbol of social standing in some places in AFRICA. How can we call ourselves the civilised world when we see fit to stick our john thomas in every place we can think of. Its level with the animals, and even some of them have the decency to confine themselves to one partner. (i.e. swans)
Im not trying to push chastity and say all sexual acticity is WRONG outside marriage, but I really think that sex and similar acts are something that you should share with only someone special. The only purpose of one night stands is to get some POONTANG with whatever skank can be found on the street. (I dont mean to degrade women, I just have to write this from the male perspective, the same applies to women)
Chastity generally means that you dont do ANYTHING sexual at all outside of marraige. Personally I dont see whats wrong with a little frolic in the garden of eden if its legal, legal by the bible, and doesnt put your future in jeprody through inadvertant pregnancy. What happens if the chick you boned on a one night stand get knocked up? Its your obligation to raise the b*****d child, and wed the whench. lol. I just enjoy using biassed language. I'll stop now.
Since (as I have been informed by a good friend of mine whos a history guru) the general practise of prolific intercourse has been going on for millenia, were not really doing anything different, however if we didnt do anything different we'd still be eating leaves, not even using tools. Evolution and invention meant progress, technological and personal. Sleeping around like this means that sex isnt sacred. It becomes meaningless when you finally meet someone you marry, and all you can do is compare them to your previous partners.
I know Im on a losing side. Most of you are probably against me, but Id just like you to consider the idea of, not chastity, but, however hard it may be, not sleeping around. If you meet someone special to you, by all means, even if its not the first. At least then its actually meaningful. But having shallow, meaningless sex is....well...m**********g. YOU'LL GO BLIND SON!!
Im not trying to push chastity and say all sexual acticity is WRONG outside marriage, but I really think that sex and similar acts are something that you should share with only someone special. The only purpose of one night stands is to get some POONTANG with whatever skank can be found on the street. (I dont mean to degrade women, I just have to write this from the male perspective, the same applies to women)
Chastity generally means that you dont do ANYTHING sexual at all outside of marraige. Personally I dont see whats wrong with a little frolic in the garden of eden if its legal, legal by the bible, and doesnt put your future in jeprody through inadvertant pregnancy. What happens if the chick you boned on a one night stand get knocked up? Its your obligation to raise the b*****d child, and wed the whench. lol. I just enjoy using biassed language. I'll stop now.
Since (as I have been informed by a good friend of mine whos a history guru) the general practise of prolific intercourse has been going on for millenia, were not really doing anything different, however if we didnt do anything different we'd still be eating leaves, not even using tools. Evolution and invention meant progress, technological and personal. Sleeping around like this means that sex isnt sacred. It becomes meaningless when you finally meet someone you marry, and all you can do is compare them to your previous partners.
I know Im on a losing side. Most of you are probably against me, but Id just like you to consider the idea of, not chastity, but, however hard it may be, not sleeping around. If you meet someone special to you, by all means, even if its not the first. At least then its actually meaningful. But having shallow, meaningless sex is....well...m**********g. YOU'LL GO BLIND SON!!
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ok...starting in chronological order from where I left off..
GO SOUL101 (does the soul101 dance with badger scenes fully restored)
I agree with you. I myself have the same opinion however people are, how shall I put it, different. lol. NO NOT SPECIAL. DIFFERENT. I dont have a s much a problem with people having sex before marraige if they really can find no meaning in it, its none of my business.
I went to mass to please my mom, but I now do have a strong belief in God, just not specific to any religeon, but my morals were always fine. I always felt more or less this way. In other words you cant blame religeous for not letting people have sex before marriage.
You can find out whether youre sexually compatible other than by actually having sex. GOD! its not like you have a damm key! If youre physically attracted to them then thats a good sign. I dont have a problem with people doing other sexual acts before marriage. I think they also have meaning and shouldnt be used freely though. A relationship isnt a racetrack with sex at the end. Its a long road, that you gradually walk down with your partner by your side, every part of it as good as the next. If you hold as much meaning to sexual acts as I do then you'll realise that theres no reason to do something you dont think youre both not ready for. If youre worried about that, then try to think about doing it. If you can picture it or you like the idea its not a problem. If you actually do something else like oral sex and its fine then problem solved. If you turn out to not like oral sex then youve got a problem and I dont really know why you decided to do that in the first place. Should need require it you can actually take online tests. lol.
Also marriage is NOT a legal agreement. Well it IS but its so much more than that. Its combing two lives, two souls, two identities. To do it you should see your partner as yourself. Marriage not only makes sex ok in the eyes of God, but also to yourself its right. You dont have to worry about accidents, or anything like that for a start. But now that you and your partner are fully complete you can express this unification.
"Here's another thing; you don't get people who are in favour of sex before marriage telling those that aren't that they are somehow bad people for waiting until they get married before rutting away like God intended. Yet certain religious types feel it's their solemn duty to tell people what they can and can't do in the bedroom. If you don't play the game, then don't try and make the rules."
If you think we're telling you what to do you saying youre bad then you obviously havent read this forum very well. This is just a discussion, not a lesson in morals. Each of us has our own set of morals and this guides us though making decisions which affect the course of our life. What we've been discussing is what makes someone want to have casual sex, and why. I do have a problem with it but its not like Ive been standing on a podium shouting "YOU WILL ALL BURRRN IN HELLLL".
"As a final point, ever notice how it's only totalitarian organisations that try and control their followers' sex life?"
Um. So you have a problem with that do you? The REASON organisations will try to influence thier followers sex lives is because these actions are against the belief of that religeon. The reason catholics (and certain other religeons...most I think) are against premarital sex is because it is SPECIFICALLY forbidden in the bible. So if you have a problem with waiting till marriage for sex then perhaps you should consider joining a different religeous group. A faith isnt pick 'n mix. You dont get to decide what parts to believe and what not to believe.
Its good to hear the Im not the only person in this day and age who is willing to wait. If we were to consider the concept of God being a dictator then we'd have to consider whether free will is an illusion or not. I think that God chooses a path for us, and we can choose to follow it or not. I think its easy enough to follow this path.
"Sex is for procreation. It's not a 'gift', it's the way we propogate the sepcies, the same as EVERY OTHER creature on the planet. There is also a 'special bond' yes - but then again, what's the use of marrying if you don't even realise you have it!"
AS we have been discussing recently I dont agree with that at all. I think sex with other animals is completely different (that sounds...interesting). Yet again we come to the conclusion that you can add meaning, or you can devolve to the level of animals in terms of sex, its fun, it makes travel size versions of yourself.
Cyclone, I was just wondering, do you think if premarital sex was practised more it would be better for the sanctity of marriage? I think the fact that sex is first practised by the couple inside marriage, and that they're both virgins makes the marriage relationship a lot more devoted. What happens if you start lusting after a sexual partner you had somewhere along the line?
I completely agree with souls post about sex fro 11:50. If you look at sex from the point of physical bonding even, then why would you want to physically bond with someone you dont know? I think its disgusting, but thats just me. Sex has always been sacred to people, maybe not all people but a lot of people. Theres no historical reference I know of documenting this (or that Id want to read) so I cant give you any examples, except if sex wasnt sacred to anyone then why would religeous leaders continue with the relgieon believing that premarital sex was wrong. Surely people would just make a new one. Its happened. Martin Luthor?
ok...starting in chronological order from where I left off..
GO SOUL101 (does the soul101 dance with badger scenes fully restored)
I agree with you. I myself have the same opinion however people are, how shall I put it, different. lol. NO NOT SPECIAL. DIFFERENT. I dont have a s much a problem with people having sex before marraige if they really can find no meaning in it, its none of my business.
I went to mass to please my mom, but I now do have a strong belief in God, just not specific to any religeon, but my morals were always fine. I always felt more or less this way. In other words you cant blame religeous for not letting people have sex before marriage.
You can find out whether youre sexually compatible other than by actually having sex. GOD! its not like you have a damm key! If youre physically attracted to them then thats a good sign. I dont have a problem with people doing other sexual acts before marriage. I think they also have meaning and shouldnt be used freely though. A relationship isnt a racetrack with sex at the end. Its a long road, that you gradually walk down with your partner by your side, every part of it as good as the next. If you hold as much meaning to sexual acts as I do then you'll realise that theres no reason to do something you dont think youre both not ready for. If youre worried about that, then try to think about doing it. If you can picture it or you like the idea its not a problem. If you actually do something else like oral sex and its fine then problem solved. If you turn out to not like oral sex then youve got a problem and I dont really know why you decided to do that in the first place. Should need require it you can actually take online tests. lol.
Also marriage is NOT a legal agreement. Well it IS but its so much more than that. Its combing two lives, two souls, two identities. To do it you should see your partner as yourself. Marriage not only makes sex ok in the eyes of God, but also to yourself its right. You dont have to worry about accidents, or anything like that for a start. But now that you and your partner are fully complete you can express this unification.
"Here's another thing; you don't get people who are in favour of sex before marriage telling those that aren't that they are somehow bad people for waiting until they get married before rutting away like God intended. Yet certain religious types feel it's their solemn duty to tell people what they can and can't do in the bedroom. If you don't play the game, then don't try and make the rules."
If you think we're telling you what to do you saying youre bad then you obviously havent read this forum very well. This is just a discussion, not a lesson in morals. Each of us has our own set of morals and this guides us though making decisions which affect the course of our life. What we've been discussing is what makes someone want to have casual sex, and why. I do have a problem with it but its not like Ive been standing on a podium shouting "YOU WILL ALL BURRRN IN HELLLL".
"As a final point, ever notice how it's only totalitarian organisations that try and control their followers' sex life?"
Um. So you have a problem with that do you? The REASON organisations will try to influence thier followers sex lives is because these actions are against the belief of that religeon. The reason catholics (and certain other religeons...most I think) are against premarital sex is because it is SPECIFICALLY forbidden in the bible. So if you have a problem with waiting till marriage for sex then perhaps you should consider joining a different religeous group. A faith isnt pick 'n mix. You dont get to decide what parts to believe and what not to believe.
Its good to hear the Im not the only person in this day and age who is willing to wait. If we were to consider the concept of God being a dictator then we'd have to consider whether free will is an illusion or not. I think that God chooses a path for us, and we can choose to follow it or not. I think its easy enough to follow this path.
"Sex is for procreation. It's not a 'gift', it's the way we propogate the sepcies, the same as EVERY OTHER creature on the planet. There is also a 'special bond' yes - but then again, what's the use of marrying if you don't even realise you have it!"
AS we have been discussing recently I dont agree with that at all. I think sex with other animals is completely different (that sounds...interesting). Yet again we come to the conclusion that you can add meaning, or you can devolve to the level of animals in terms of sex, its fun, it makes travel size versions of yourself.
Cyclone, I was just wondering, do you think if premarital sex was practised more it would be better for the sanctity of marriage? I think the fact that sex is first practised by the couple inside marriage, and that they're both virgins makes the marriage relationship a lot more devoted. What happens if you start lusting after a sexual partner you had somewhere along the line?
I completely agree with souls post about sex fro 11:50. If you look at sex from the point of physical bonding even, then why would you want to physically bond with someone you dont know? I think its disgusting, but thats just me. Sex has always been sacred to people, maybe not all people but a lot of people. Theres no historical reference I know of documenting this (or that Id want to read) so I cant give you any examples, except if sex wasnt sacred to anyone then why would religeous leaders continue with the relgieon believing that premarital sex was wrong. Surely people would just make a new one. Its happened. Martin Luthor?
St Augustine sounds like the dude.
On cleaning his room:
"Mum, I promise I'll be a good little boy and clean my room. Later."
On doing his homework:
"Sir, I promise I'll be a good little boy and do my homework. Later."
On laydees:
"God, I promise I'll be a good little boy and not blow my wad. Later."
He's the Biblical Ferris Bueller.
On cleaning his room:
"Mum, I promise I'll be a good little boy and clean my room. Later."
On doing his homework:
"Sir, I promise I'll be a good little boy and do my homework. Later."
On laydees:
"God, I promise I'll be a good little boy and not blow my wad. Later."
He's the Biblical Ferris Bueller.
Stop preaching... you keep you penis in your pants if you want.
The church's prudish, controlling attitude toward sex is basically not much more than a historical footnote given undue prominence thanks to Aristotlean philosophy.
Basically, sex has been one of the only ways a woman can assert any sort of power in what is a mans world. So what better way to keep power from women by dictating just how men and women engage in crotchmoistening relations?
As it's men who are the ones who decide when to get married, they therefore decide when to have sex. Thus, the one power women have is nullified. Being as how Aristotle felt women were the weaker sex, and seeing as the Christian religions main tenets are based in Arisotle's logic, it made absolute sense for the church to sanction this as a way to keep those troublesome women barefoot and pregnant.
There are a couple of other main reasons that the Christian faith tries to tell people how and when to slip one another a length; one is that the church was established in the last centuries of the Western Roman Empire. And things were pretty decandent by then. When the Empire fell, the church was in danger of falling with it. What better way to demarkcate the church from the Empire than by taking the exact opposite approach to sex than the Empire took?
The other is, plainly and simply, guilt. One of the saints who came up with this shagtastic little rule about not chucking yourself up any lady who hoves into view was an interesting fellow named St Augustine of Hippo (maybe he shagged one too many fat lasses or something...). He spent the first half of his life attempting to stick his dick into anything that let him. He spent the second half of his life feeling guilty about it. As he was one of the men who codified the teachings of the early catholic church (and before anyone says "But I'm not Catholic...", if it wasn't for the catholic church, there would be no christianity. They're the original church of Christ, and 90% of every other church's teachings have their roots in the first bible that was compiled by them. Deal with it.), he made damn sure that sex was strictly controlled so that those evil temptress women couldn't rip righteous young men from the path of purity (because of course, it has to be a woman's fault, right?).
As a measure of St Augustine's hypocrisy, he is famed for saying "Lord grant me chastity. But not yet."
If y'all want to avoid sex until after marriage, then you go for it. But why tell anyone else? What, do you want a big shiny f**king medal for your troubles? I don't care what you do or don't get up to in the bedroom. Bleating about it tends to indicate that you're not sure about your own lifestyle choice and you want some affirmation. Either that, or you want to show off just how righteous you are.
Basically, sex has been one of the only ways a woman can assert any sort of power in what is a mans world. So what better way to keep power from women by dictating just how men and women engage in crotchmoistening relations?
As it's men who are the ones who decide when to get married, they therefore decide when to have sex. Thus, the one power women have is nullified. Being as how Aristotle felt women were the weaker sex, and seeing as the Christian religions main tenets are based in Arisotle's logic, it made absolute sense for the church to sanction this as a way to keep those troublesome women barefoot and pregnant.
There are a couple of other main reasons that the Christian faith tries to tell people how and when to slip one another a length; one is that the church was established in the last centuries of the Western Roman Empire. And things were pretty decandent by then. When the Empire fell, the church was in danger of falling with it. What better way to demarkcate the church from the Empire than by taking the exact opposite approach to sex than the Empire took?
The other is, plainly and simply, guilt. One of the saints who came up with this shagtastic little rule about not chucking yourself up any lady who hoves into view was an interesting fellow named St Augustine of Hippo (maybe he shagged one too many fat lasses or something...). He spent the first half of his life attempting to stick his dick into anything that let him. He spent the second half of his life feeling guilty about it. As he was one of the men who codified the teachings of the early catholic church (and before anyone says "But I'm not Catholic...", if it wasn't for the catholic church, there would be no christianity. They're the original church of Christ, and 90% of every other church's teachings have their roots in the first bible that was compiled by them. Deal with it.), he made damn sure that sex was strictly controlled so that those evil temptress women couldn't rip righteous young men from the path of purity (because of course, it has to be a woman's fault, right?).
As a measure of St Augustine's hypocrisy, he is famed for saying "Lord grant me chastity. But not yet."
If y'all want to avoid sex until after marriage, then you go for it. But why tell anyone else? What, do you want a big shiny f**king medal for your troubles? I don't care what you do or don't get up to in the bedroom. Bleating about it tends to indicate that you're not sure about your own lifestyle choice and you want some affirmation. Either that, or you want to show off just how righteous you are.
Since when has sex been sacred, except in the Bible? I bet one day they'll find some sort of cave-painting Karma Sutra, then you'll see!
my virginity is part of the reason it has meaning. i may not have experienced it, but the fact that when i do she will be my first (and last), and i will be hers, certainly gives it special meaning. its about about more than the physical bonding. it's the emotional bonding as well
like i said, don't get me started... another topic perhaps.
'Don't get me started on the difference between religion and Christianity'
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soul101 wrote:
> Sex for me has meaning, for you it's
> just leisure.
How do you know? You're a virgin. How can you say something has meaning if you've never experienced it?
stir, stir, stir :P :D :D
> Sex for me has meaning, for you it's
> just leisure.
How do you know? You're a virgin. How can you say something has meaning if you've never experienced it?
stir, stir, stir :P :D :D
check my edit.
Please don't get me wrong. I am not TELLING you to do (or not do) anything. what would be the point in that? I'm simply sticking up for what i believe in.
and let me rephrase my previous post... what you say is the reason marriage is the way it is. it was changed to make it more sanctimonial (grammar?).
Please don't get me wrong. I am not TELLING you to do (or not do) anything. what would be the point in that? I'm simply sticking up for what i believe in.
and let me rephrase my previous post... what you say is the reason marriage is the way it is. it was changed to make it more sanctimonial (grammar?).
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