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I know some of you will point out the fact that, in spite of the loss compared to last year's earnings, Nintendo has still accrued a profit to the tune of $600,000,000. While that is a large sum of money it needs to be realized that the amount of that profit is not too far from being HALF of their previous year's profits. That means that Nintendo has that much money LESS to put into things like research and development for things like new games and new systems. Also, game companies are less likely to put their time and money into a company that posts losses as massive as 43%. If this trend continues, it could have some nasty repercussions. People could lose their jobs (I feel sure some heads have already rolled after the news of a profit loss this significant), for one thing. And companies will not want to invest in another company that will not post a meaningful profit for their efforts. So yeah, Nintendo still posted a profit. But when that profit is in the shadow of a previous year that was 43% HIGHER, then the 'profit' tends to lose significance. Just some things to consider.
The Gamecube is costing Nintendo big and sagging sales are a large part of their problem, ditch the deadwood before it's to late.
The Gamecube is costing Nintendo big and sagging sales are a large part of their problem, ditch the deadwood before it's to late.
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Online isn't anything major from a sales perspective, but to us Nintendo gamers, it is something major.
I honestly have high hopes that Revolution will appeal as an alternative system to the PS3 and X-box 2. It won't be seen as the light weight childish edition, it WILL be a different system.
Look at the DS, do people see it as a lightweight version of the MP3 playing, video, gaming device PSP? No, it looks different, it plays different and will appeal to different people.
The Revolution I hope will do the same. This'll allow 3 consoles to co-exist in one market. It will allow Nintendo to appeal to not only its hardcore Nintendo fan base, but those gamers who have no loyalty and find the concept intriguing and attract an entire new collection of people who have never been involved in gaming before.
Look at the PSP, it is selling just a little short a week that the PS2 is doing, the DS is just selling a little short of that (at the moment). Both are existing brilliantly.
Revolution could do this. Revolution could appeal to an entirely different market.
At first glance it is another way of Nintendo side stepping the competion. Let them fight it out whilst we try appealing to different people. Almost turn their backs on the immediate war.
But no, I don't think this is it. Nintendo have talked about gaming needs changing or the market will become stale. The Japanese market is starting to slump and Nintendo want to actively re-juvenate interest in it. America and Europe have yet to fall but Nintendo, and many leading experts believe, we will follow and lose interest.
It is by far the most pro-active thing Nintendo have ever done, aggressivly try and regenerate the gaming market, much like Sony did back in 1995.
Because when Microsoft and Sony's next console fail to live up to the success of their previous editions they'll will too try to regenerate the industry and they'll do this by looking at their immediate competitor.
I don't care if it is fixation points, Gyroscopic controllers, touch pannels, virtual reality, mind control or any of these. If Nintendo are staking their reputation on this new system, which I believe they are, then I have all the faith in the world that the Big N's slow decline will be arrested.
Here's to the future.
I honestly have high hopes that Revolution will appeal as an alternative system to the PS3 and X-box 2. It won't be seen as the light weight childish edition, it WILL be a different system.
Look at the DS, do people see it as a lightweight version of the MP3 playing, video, gaming device PSP? No, it looks different, it plays different and will appeal to different people.
The Revolution I hope will do the same. This'll allow 3 consoles to co-exist in one market. It will allow Nintendo to appeal to not only its hardcore Nintendo fan base, but those gamers who have no loyalty and find the concept intriguing and attract an entire new collection of people who have never been involved in gaming before.
Look at the PSP, it is selling just a little short a week that the PS2 is doing, the DS is just selling a little short of that (at the moment). Both are existing brilliantly.
Revolution could do this. Revolution could appeal to an entirely different market.
At first glance it is another way of Nintendo side stepping the competion. Let them fight it out whilst we try appealing to different people. Almost turn their backs on the immediate war.
But no, I don't think this is it. Nintendo have talked about gaming needs changing or the market will become stale. The Japanese market is starting to slump and Nintendo want to actively re-juvenate interest in it. America and Europe have yet to fall but Nintendo, and many leading experts believe, we will follow and lose interest.
It is by far the most pro-active thing Nintendo have ever done, aggressivly try and regenerate the gaming market, much like Sony did back in 1995.
Because when Microsoft and Sony's next console fail to live up to the success of their previous editions they'll will too try to regenerate the industry and they'll do this by looking at their immediate competitor.
I don't care if it is fixation points, Gyroscopic controllers, touch pannels, virtual reality, mind control or any of these. If Nintendo are staking their reputation on this new system, which I believe they are, then I have all the faith in the world that the Big N's slow decline will be arrested.
Here's to the future.
Dringo wrote:
> But these games were supposed to revolutionise the series.
And they didn't.
Nintendo got too caught up in their own reputation.
> Cel-shading has become rather popular since Wind Waker.
I don't think that Zelda had much to do with that. I mean, it must've helped a little, but devellopers had gotten caught up in the whole Cel Shaded craze even before that.
XIII must've started devellopment before Windwaker was revealed, and Cel Damage was well on it's way.
Nintendo were trying something special, but I still don't think they made a slight use of the potential. They should've brought in some proper Animé animators if they'd wanted to make full use of Cel Shading.
> Nintendo have confirmed an online system is in place with the help of
> a certain Square,
That's good to hear.
Online gaming is nothing new, but it's yet to have a Nintendo twist on it.
Online on it's own can't justify the Revolution though, because:
a) The majority of gamers don't have access to the required online connections. Even if Nintendo allow dial-up, most kids have to ask permission for that (clogging up the phoneline etc).
Granted, we're moving into the age where everyone is online and a large amount of people have access to broadband, but enough enough to rely on it.
b) The Gamecube CAN do online if Nintendo wanted to. A lot easier and cheaper for everyone than making a whole new console.
So Nintendo will need something else that's REALLY special up their sleeve if they want to start a revolution.
Vivé la sceptism! :-D
> But these games were supposed to revolutionise the series.
And they didn't.
Nintendo got too caught up in their own reputation.
> Cel-shading has become rather popular since Wind Waker.
I don't think that Zelda had much to do with that. I mean, it must've helped a little, but devellopers had gotten caught up in the whole Cel Shaded craze even before that.
XIII must've started devellopment before Windwaker was revealed, and Cel Damage was well on it's way.
Nintendo were trying something special, but I still don't think they made a slight use of the potential. They should've brought in some proper Animé animators if they'd wanted to make full use of Cel Shading.
> Nintendo have confirmed an online system is in place with the help of
> a certain Square,
That's good to hear.
Online gaming is nothing new, but it's yet to have a Nintendo twist on it.
Online on it's own can't justify the Revolution though, because:
a) The majority of gamers don't have access to the required online connections. Even if Nintendo allow dial-up, most kids have to ask permission for that (clogging up the phoneline etc).
Granted, we're moving into the age where everyone is online and a large amount of people have access to broadband, but enough enough to rely on it.
b) The Gamecube CAN do online if Nintendo wanted to. A lot easier and cheaper for everyone than making a whole new console.
So Nintendo will need something else that's REALLY special up their sleeve if they want to start a revolution.
Vivé la sceptism! :-D
lcarus wrote:
> Pikmin ain't English.
Which Pikmin?
Pikmin 1 was advertised very well, it had some decent tele ads and a few of my mates knew about it.
Pikmin 2's advertisement was dreadful.
I was very unhappy.
> Pikmin ain't English.
Which Pikmin?
Pikmin 1 was advertised very well, it had some decent tele ads and a few of my mates knew about it.
Pikmin 2's advertisement was dreadful.
I was very unhappy.
Pikmin ain't English.
Speak english :P
They do? Well, they need to hype some more; I hardly notice Pikin short it appearing on the release date calendar.
Rubbing the handles sounds odd :)
But these games were supposed to revolutionise the series.
Cel-shading has become rather popular since Wind Waker.
Nintendo have confirmed an online system is in place with the help of a certain Square, a company part owned by Sony. Who have a mini company within them owned by Nintendo.
And Microsoft own a company that makes games for a Nintendo system.
ARGH it's a funny old game.
But these games were supposed to revolutionise the series.
Cel-shading has become rather popular since Wind Waker.
Nintendo have confirmed an online system is in place with the help of a certain Square, a company part owned by Sony. Who have a mini company within them owned by Nintendo.
And Microsoft own a company that makes games for a Nintendo system.
ARGH it's a funny old game.
Nintendo always hype their games.
Pikmin, Mario Sunshine and Zelda: Windwaker were all supposed to change games forever. Pikmin itself was a treat, but didn't change anything around it. Mario and Zelda were the N64 games with touch ups and quirky mix ups in the name of "innovation".
I'm not saying it's not possible.
I'm just saying I'm sceptical, but I guess I was also sceptical over Pikmin, Metroid Prime and Timesplitters 2. (I never said anything about Pikmin, always supported how "original" it would be, but never had a clue how such a weird looking game could even work, let alone be fun, enjoyable, and be easy to pick up in less than 5 minutes! :-S)
Perhaps Nintendo will take to online gaming in a big way (although a 64DD style adaptor with a hardrive could do that for the Gamecube, right? It would only cost £50.).
The new controllers sounded interesting, but purely gimmical so far.
I mean, it COULD happen, but I've got no reason to believe it will.
Still means that if it IS a revolution then I'm going to be more pleasantly surprised by it than you and it might not be as revolutionary as you thought, so I'll end up enjoying it more than you anyway!
Here's to MY future! ;-P
Pikmin, Mario Sunshine and Zelda: Windwaker were all supposed to change games forever. Pikmin itself was a treat, but didn't change anything around it. Mario and Zelda were the N64 games with touch ups and quirky mix ups in the name of "innovation".
I'm not saying it's not possible.
I'm just saying I'm sceptical, but I guess I was also sceptical over Pikmin, Metroid Prime and Timesplitters 2. (I never said anything about Pikmin, always supported how "original" it would be, but never had a clue how such a weird looking game could even work, let alone be fun, enjoyable, and be easy to pick up in less than 5 minutes! :-S)
Perhaps Nintendo will take to online gaming in a big way (although a 64DD style adaptor with a hardrive could do that for the Gamecube, right? It would only cost £50.).
The new controllers sounded interesting, but purely gimmical so far.
I mean, it COULD happen, but I've got no reason to believe it will.
Still means that if it IS a revolution then I'm going to be more pleasantly surprised by it than you and it might not be as revolutionary as you thought, so I'll end up enjoying it more than you anyway!
Here's to MY future! ;-P
Strafio wrote:
> I agree.
>
> That's why I think that the Revolution is a waste of time and money,
> because there'll be little that they can't just do on the Gamecube.
> Nintendo will just end up getting caught up, trailing in Sony and
> Microsoft's corporate fund-spilling ratrace.
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> I agree.
>
> That's why I think that the Revolution is a waste of time and money,
> because there'll be little that they can't just do on the Gamecube.
> Nintendo will just end up getting caught up, trailing in Sony and
> Microsoft's corporate fund-spilling ratrace.
[URL]http://cube.ign.com/articles/583/583559p1.html?fromint=1[/URL]
munn wrote:
> And it's called Revolution as a CODENAME, if codenames were true,
> then all the Gamercube games should have been based around dolphins,
> surely.
>
> It's not as if they're magically going to make completely new styles
> of games for the Revolution, are they?
Nintendo say they are, in fact Iwata said it'll be a "pargram shift" whilst Reggie said "Nintendo are taking you to places gaming has never gone before, it'll be like playing games a fresh"
> And it's called Revolution as a CODENAME, if codenames were true,
> then all the Gamercube games should have been based around dolphins,
> surely.
>
> It's not as if they're magically going to make completely new styles
> of games for the Revolution, are they?
Nintendo say they are, in fact Iwata said it'll be a "pargram shift" whilst Reggie said "Nintendo are taking you to places gaming has never gone before, it'll be like playing games a fresh"
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